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Post by buckrippers on Oct 9, 2014 8:23:57 GMT
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Post by newmarketgas on Oct 9, 2014 8:40:56 GMT
We are certain what was said ?
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Post by Rod1883 on Oct 9, 2014 8:48:34 GMT
Thanks a lot pal - you're just jumping on the bandwagon and fanning the flames spouting this rubbish and making it worse - unless that's what you want!
Why don't we calm down and let the investigation find out what was said, and then take the appropriate action.
Other threads are warning about the rubbish written on this forum making it worse for the club, and now we have this in the local press!!!
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 9, 2014 9:42:03 GMT
any chance we can wait until the investigation has taken place?
I was about 20 metres away, and I couldn't hear what was said, so not sure how far away other people heard it from?
It was clear something was said and if it was racist then please throw the book at them, but trial by media isn't very helpful.
Jason Brown clearly felt it is was racist so it certainly needs to be investigated and I applaud him for bringing it to the attention of the Steward and the referee when placed in a very difficult situation. I have no truck with people who said he over-reacted; it must have been difficult to know what to do. He can't just leave his goal, but equally he wanted to point this guy (or guys) out before he/they potentially slinked away.
beyond that I'm not sure why people comment yet.
I also didn't see any Police in or around the stadium. maybe they were there but must have been in tiny numbers, and quite rightly so for a Tuesday night game against a club from a long way away and with no history against us. The away end fracas went on for a good 10 mins and from where I was (admittedly a long way away) it looked liked it was just stewards trying to calm it down.
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Post by buckrippers on Oct 9, 2014 10:08:35 GMT
Thanks a lot pal - you're just jumping on the bandwagon and fanning the flames spouting this rubbish and making it worse - unless that's what you want! Why don't we calm down and let the investigation find out what was said, and then take the appropriate action. Other threads are warning about the rubbish written on this forum making it worse for the club, and now we have this in the local press!!! What bandwagon is that then 'pal'? The 'we don't want racists at this club?' Well, I'm happy to join it. As for fanning the flames, think that's already been done which is the whole point. Nothing I've written can make things worse than they are. It's a warning. People might think they're just having a good shout and a laugh with their mates and it's banter, but actions can have far-reaching consequences because of the social media explosion. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 9, 2014 10:58:38 GMT
Thanks a lot pal - you're just jumping on the bandwagon and fanning the flames spouting this rubbish and making it worse - unless that's what you want! Why don't we calm down and let the investigation find out what was said, and then take the appropriate action. Other threads are warning about the rubbish written on this forum making it worse for the club, and now we have this in the local press!!! What bandwagon is that then 'pal'? The 'we don't want racists at this club?' Well, I'm happy to join it. As for fanning the flames, think that's already been done which is the whole point. Nothing I've written can make things worse than they are. It's a warning. People might think they're just having a good shout and a laugh with their mates and it's banter, but actions can have far-reaching consequences because of the social media explosion. Can't see anywhere where you said whatthe comment was. |
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Post by Rod1883 on Oct 9, 2014 11:00:49 GMT
Thanks a lot pal - you're just jumping on the bandwagon and fanning the flames spouting this rubbish and making it worse - unless that's what you want! Why don't we calm down and let the investigation find out what was said, and then take the appropriate action. Other threads are warning about the rubbish written on this forum making it worse for the club, and now we have this in the local press!!! What bandwagon is that then 'pal'? The 'we don't want racists at this club?' Well, I'm happy to join it. As for fanning the flames, think that's already been done which is the whole point. Nothing I've written can make things worse than they are. It's a warning. People might think they're just having a good shout and a laugh with their mates and it's banter, but actions can have far-reaching consequences because of the social media explosion. I'm as disgusted, disappointed, angry as anyone at the thought that someone in the BRFC crowd chose to shout something racist at an opposing player. I'm also very upset, angry, disappointed at the level of noise this is generating and the risk to the football club getting back into the league that could result. I don't think that your article is the right thing to have done, fanning the flames of adverse publicity whilst the investigation is ongoing - we still don't know exactly what was said. I normally enjoy your pieces in the Post but, whilst I agree with your last two paragraphs wholeheartedly, this one is ill advised at this moment.
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Post by buckrippers on Oct 9, 2014 11:22:27 GMT
What bandwagon is that then 'pal'? The 'we don't want racists at this club?' Well, I'm happy to join it. As for fanning the flames, think that's already been done which is the whole point. Nothing I've written can make things worse than they are. It's a warning. People might think they're just having a good shout and a laugh with their mates and it's banter, but actions can have far-reaching consequences because of the social media explosion. I'm as disgusted, disappointed, angry as anyone at the thought that someone in the BRFC crowd chose to shout something racist at an opposing player. I'm also very upset, angry, disappointed at the level of noise this is generating and the risk to the football club getting back into the league that could result. I don't think that your article is the right thing to have done, fanning the flames of adverse publicity whilst the investigation is ongoing - we still don't know exactly what was said. I normally enjoy your pieces in the Post but, whilst I agree with your last two paragraphs wholeheartedly, this one is ill advised at this moment.
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Post by philbemmygas on Oct 9, 2014 12:07:21 GMT
I have posted on twitter that there has been more coverage of this "alleged" incident, than the live physical assault of Ellis Harrison on that fateful night at Trashton that was broadcast live on TV. Can anybody explain that one away?
I am like others upset that this incident occurred on Tuesday, but find it ironic that the lack of prosecutions from that night seem to have been brushed under the carpet.
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Post by buckrippers on Oct 9, 2014 12:14:47 GMT
I have posted on twitter that there has been more coverage of this "alleged" incident, than the live physical assault of Ellis Harrison on that fateful night at Trashton that was broadcast live on TV. Can anybody explain that one away? I am like others upset that this incident occurred on Tuesday, but find it ironic that the lack of prosecutions from that night seem to have been brushed under the carpet. Phil, I'm still fuming about that, particularly as friends up and down the country saw that game live. The judge at the trial over the pitch invasion against Mansfield said Rovers fans had bought shame on the city, but that game didn't go out live and I don't recall much footage. The City game was live on Sky so ample opportunity to pick out offenders and prosecute yet it seems very little was done. I can't recall Harrison being assaulted, though, yet it doesn't take too much to conclude he was abused by fans let loose in the Dolman to do exactly as they pleased. What brought more shame to our city, those horrendous scenes at Trashton or the relatively little news coverage of Mansfield? Still, two wrongs don't make a right and to claim the morale high ground we have to be particularly conscientious in policing ourselves. |
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Post by gasincider on Oct 9, 2014 12:31:41 GMT
So holier than thou with an article like this. As I said earlier, I spoke to a couple of people within meters of the incident who confirmed banter in the true sense of the word and nowt else, so until there is evidence of wrongdoing, this crap should not have been written.
This is just someone who has a media outlet who loves to see and hear himself. Talk about a feeding frenzy.It does no one credit, and what is the matter with the presumption of innocence till proved guilty? The steward may have heard every word and heard nothing racist. What happens then? Nick em anyway, and leave yourself open to a civil suit?
Even the keeper has not said what he heard. And I find it strange that he alone at the moment says he heard racist talk. Perhaps it was banter that he decided he didn't like. He also somehow knew who said it. Myself, I would have been watching the game as we were attacking at the time. When the foul occurred he then started complaining. We have CCTV, so why not play it back, find the steward and ask him what he heard?
Let the authorities do their bit and if proven ban any guilty party for life. Until then there should be no presumption of guilt.
The time for hanging individuals is after guilt is proven.
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Post by mjhgas on Oct 9, 2014 13:03:12 GMT
Regardless of Buckrippers thoughts, the damage has already been done! Twitter, Facebook, local media & national media have reported the incident.
Regardless of the outcome, the club has been linked with a racist slur. Potential customers, sponsors & buyers may see the Mansfield game, Braintree incident and this one as a step too far! Would you want your name associated with BRFC?
How about we shut the Blackthorn End for three matches and see the reaction of fans towards those stopping the majority from supporting the club! Then we'd see who thought it was ok!!!
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Post by gasincider on Oct 9, 2014 13:13:32 GMT
If we shut the Blackthorn End for any games I would blame the club, not the individual who hasn't even been accused and certainly not yet been found guilty.
Hence let the authorities do their bit, and see the outcome. This is modern media at its worst. I presume if no guilt can be attached all media outlets can be sued by our club for libel.
That should pay for a new stadium.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 9, 2014 13:21:49 GMT
"The shout, a vile slur rooted in hundreds of years of ignorance and hate"
Perhaps the OP could enlighten us all with what was shouted as nobody else seems to have a clue on either of the club's forums?
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 9, 2014 13:45:39 GMT
"The shout, a vile slur rooted in hundreds of years of ignorance and hate" Perhaps the OP could enlighten us all with what was shouted as nobody else seems to have a clue on either of the club's forums? Very succinctly put. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 14:42:57 GMT
"The shout, a vile slur rooted in hundreds of years of ignorance and hate" Perhaps the OP could enlighten us all with what was shouted as nobody else seems to have a clue on either of the club's forums? I can't understand why the keeper himself has not reported what he heard either. |
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 9, 2014 16:45:29 GMT
"The shout, a vile slur rooted in hundreds of years of ignorance and hate" Perhaps the OP could enlighten us all with what was shouted as nobody else seems to have a clue on either of the club's forums? I can't understand why the keeper himself has not reported what he heard either. He has reported the incident and one might assume that this includes what he heard. He has chosen not to broadcast this detail via social media - which is probably for the better. Regardless of what was said, the law classes this as a racist incident if he (or anyone else for that matter) perceives it to be. That said, I think Nick has stretched the use of his artistic licence on this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 20:52:02 GMT
What your article fails to emphasise it that this was one person acting alone nobody encouraged him or joined in. I think we should take some comfort from that. It shows that rovers fans are overwhelmingly not racist. |
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Post by buckrippers on Oct 9, 2014 22:46:00 GMT
What your article fails to emphasise it that this was one person acting alone nobody encouraged him or joined in. I think we should take some comfort from that. It shows that rovers fans are overwhelmingly not racist. I have tried to point that out Royal Blue in mentioning how many of us actually sent Jason messages of support. I did another version for the News Hub, a new online journalism outlet, which included a few more lines about how Rovers fans are generally tolerant and were praised only the other week at Eastleigh. My whole point is that Twitter sets the agenda these days, not blogs on the Bristol Post website, which is why we should take extra care of what we say and how we act. Jason Brown's message was retweeted 789 times. That's twice as many times as I have twitter followers! Also, for those saying it is a storm in a tea cup that will quickly blow over, that might be, but someone at work told me today there was a sizeable piece on this incident on the South East News (equivalent of Points West throughout the South East). Where did this come from? They didn't pick it up from a blog in Bristol, they picked it up from a tweet. If anyone wants to read my News hub piece, which is slightly longer and points out why I love our club, it's here: www.the-newshub.com/stories/the-racist-shout-from-a-non-league-terrace-that-travelled-the-worldps. I have tweeted Jason Brown to ask him to explain exactly what he heard and am awaiting a reply, though I don't hold out much hope. I think perhaps he is only letting that information be known to the authorities. |
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 9, 2014 23:58:09 GMT
I can't understand why the keeper himself has not reported what he heard either. He has reported the incident and one might assume that this includes what he heard. He has chosen not to broadcast this detail via social media - which is probably for the better. Regardless of what was said, the law classes this as a racist incident if he (or anyone else for that matter) perceives it to be. That said, I think Nick has stretched the use of his artistic licence on this one. totally appreciate that the law reports this as a racist incident because the complainant regards it as a racial abuse. It is an important facet of our system. But don't understand why you write that not saying what was said is "probably for the better". why? since when has any censorship (even self-censorship) of the truth been good for any situation in history? what we are currently left with is an allegation that isn't being made public, yet hundreds of column inches and various media interviews are reporting the 'story' but not reporting what was said. Bizarre. I honestly don't get this. What is there to hide? Man has story, but won't tell you the story. This wouldn't happen in any other situation. The truth shall set you free? |
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