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Post by twertonboy on Nov 17, 2018 21:16:26 GMT
I think it’s been multiple problems and not all dc... Everyone has been quoting Accrington etc for doing it well on a small budget but their location helps them get players to join them from other northern clubs because of their families and the house prices are so much cheaper too... These players aren’t on life changing money so family rules over football careers... We can only do the same with Yeovil/Plymouth/Exeter/Swindon... And for some reason these clubs and ridiculous money for their players and most of them are struggling players in lower divisions
On top of that our wage cap won’t be high so their better off up north.. We’re very limited to what we can get that’s going to be proven... There’s not many Matty Taylor like players at lower division that can instantly step up and fix our problem either Loan strikers is the only way and that’s a big problem situation we’re in DC hasn’t got the contacts obviously like other experienced managers even though he gives the chat like he does and we rely on qpr and stoke in the past as we had contacts through Ollie and Gerry before
Then put in the fact the board aren’t interested in investing in the team and we’re looking more like a midtable league two team We haven’t got the characters right either... Payne/Bennett/Mathews/upson to me aren’t work horses like dc liked in the past... Monty use to stand out in the past for not putting a shift in and now we have 4 players doing the same...no impact and not enough passion Dc needs to be ruthless and sell 3 players and bring in hungry replacements and some how keep the likes of Sercombe who I reckon will be on his way soon
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Post by Jomo on Nov 17, 2018 21:18:19 GMT
Ok, allow me to try and pursuade you, it's not worth the gamble at this stage imo. Any new manager would want to rebuild the squad which could take several windows to sort out, by which time we could be back down to the conference where we would probably then need a manager like DC again! Remember that DC is really the ONLY reason we have even managed to get back up to L1, it's not happened by fluke and it's not down to the owners, it's DC and his team. I think it's his successful approach to the development of lower league players such as Taylor, Bodin, Ellis, Browner (and you could also add Locks, OC, James Clarke and Ollie Clarke to that list imo) that has allowed us to over achieve in the last few seasons but in doing so we have now lost the best of the bunch to the next level up which is the main reason we are now struggling to climb the table. It's true that the replacements we have brought in are not as good as the players we have sold. It's also a fair point to say that DC has chosen them and spent some decent sums in the process but I think we all would have expected Payne and Nichols to have actually been able to find the back of the net a few times so far this season! Had they done so then this which would have been the difference as it would have gained us several points as correct me if I am wrong but I believe we've not been beaten by more than 1 goal yet this season. Fingers crossed he will be able to get a couple of decent reinforcements in Jan, but irrespective of this I believe DC can keep us up and I think it's worth sticking with him to see whether he can turn things around. Keep the faith. UTG! Cracking post, completely agree with this.
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Post by dinsdale on Nov 17, 2018 21:23:51 GMT
I think it’s been multiple problems and not all dc... Everyone has been quoting Accrington etc for doing it well on a small budget but their location helps them get players to join them from other northern clubs because of their families and the house prices are so much cheaper too... These players aren’t on life changing money so family rules over football careers... We can only do the same with Yeovil/Plymouth/Exeter/Swindon... And for some reason these clubs and ridiculous money for their players and most of them are struggling players in lower divisions On top of that our wage cap won’t be high so their better off up north.. We’re very limited to what we can get that’s going to be proven... There’s not many Matty Taylor like players at lower division that can instantly step up and fix our problem either Loan strikers is the only way and that’s a big problem situation we’re in DC hasn’t got the contacts obviously like other experienced managers even though he gives the chat like he does and we rely on qpr and stoke in the past as we had contacts through Ollie and Gerry before Then put in the fact the board aren’t interested in investing in the team and we’re looking more like a midtable league two team We haven’t got the characters right either... Payne/Bennett/Mathews/upson to me aren’t work horses like dc liked in the past... Monty use to stand out in the past for not putting a shift in and now we have 4 players doing the same...no impact and not enough passion Dc needs to be ruthless and sell 3 players and bring in hungry replacements and some how keep the likes of Sercombe who I reckon will be on his way soon Bristols one of the most desirable cities in the country and theres plenty of cheap housing a commutable distance
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Post by twertonboy on Nov 17, 2018 21:28:56 GMT
I think it’s been multiple problems and not all dc... Everyone has been quoting Accrington etc for doing it well on a small budget but their location helps them get players to join them from other northern clubs because of their families and the house prices are so much cheaper too... These players aren’t on life changing money so family rules over football careers... We can only do the same with Yeovil/Plymouth/Exeter/Swindon... And for some reason these clubs and ridiculous money for their players and most of them are struggling players in lower divisions On top of that our wage cap won’t be high so their better off up north.. We’re very limited to what we can get that’s going to be proven... There’s not many Matty Taylor like players at lower division that can instantly step up and fix our problem either Loan strikers is the only way and that’s a big problem situation we’re in DC hasn’t got the contacts obviously like other experienced managers even though he gives the chat like he does and we rely on qpr and stoke in the past as we had contacts through Ollie and Gerry before Then put in the fact the board aren’t interested in investing in the team and we’re looking more like a midtable league two team We haven’t got the characters right either... Payne/Bennett/Mathews/upson to me aren’t work horses like dc liked in the past... Monty use to stand out in the past for not putting a shift in and now we have 4 players doing the same...no impact and not enough passion Dc needs to be ruthless and sell 3 players and bring in hungry replacements and some how keep the likes of Sercombe who I reckon will be on his way soon Bristols one of the most desirable cities in the country and theres plenty of cheap housing a commutable distance This I know but if their family are from the north and kids settled into school and you can afford a nicer bigger house up north than down here why would you drag your family down here...plus if you do well you can still get picked up by another northern club and can still commute... It’s only when these players are getting championship wages that their more willing to move as their signing on fee would normally buy you a house etc
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 17, 2018 21:29:07 GMT
I think it’s been multiple problems and not all dc... Everyone has been quoting Accrington etc for doing it well on a small budget but their location helps them get players to join them from other northern clubs because of their families and the house prices are so much cheaper too... These players aren’t on life changing money so family rules over football careers... We can only do the same with Yeovil/Plymouth/Exeter/Swindon... And for some reason these clubs and ridiculous money for their players and most of them are struggling players in lower divisions On top of that our wage cap won’t be high so their better off up north.. We’re very limited to what we can get that’s going to be proven... There’s not many Matty Taylor like players at lower division that can instantly step up and fix our problem either Loan strikers is the only way and that’s a big problem situation we’re in DC hasn’t got the contacts obviously like other experienced managers even though he gives the chat like he does and we rely on qpr and stoke in the past as we had contacts through Ollie and Gerry before Then put in the fact the board aren’t interested in investing in the team and we’re looking more like a midtable league two team We haven’t got the characters right either... Payne/Bennett/Mathews/upson to me aren’t work horses like dc liked in the past... Monty use to stand out in the past for not putting a shift in and now we have 4 players doing the same...no impact and not enough passion Dc needs to be ruthless and sell 3 players and bring in hungry replacements and some how keep the likes of Sercombe who I reckon will be on his way soon "sell"? Good luck with that suggestion. As far as Accrington, like us, Oxford and Plymouth lets us how they do next season when the first season "bounce" rubs off, although as you suggest there's a massive network of players in the North West v. little in the South West at this level. Whilst we're in the bottom 4 we're still the top SW club barring Pantsdown's "project".
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Post by glengas on Nov 17, 2018 22:26:30 GMT
Holloway, Trollope same old story. Constantly sell the goals out of the team and try to replace them at a fraction of the price. We sacked both of those managers and ended up getting relegated. DC makes mistakes, but god does he have a genuine passion for the club and work hard to try and get it right. I honestly believe we will be okay and there is enough quality in the team, barring the board flogging Sercombe in January, which I wouldn’t rule out if they are still here.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Nov 17, 2018 22:53:23 GMT
The only consistent thing about this team is the inconsistency
DC has had time to turn it around as many have wanted it is now time for him to go , shame Alan sugar daddy is not in charge of the gas cuss he would have fired him long ago.
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Post by adrian301 on Nov 19, 2018 20:05:55 GMT
Just a thought, but can anyone remember the last manager to resign? You know, hold their hands up and say "Sorry, I can't do this and the club needs to find someone who can"
The last manager I can recall was Kevin Keegan as England manager , after we had lost at home to Germany .
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Post by justin blue on Nov 19, 2018 20:33:14 GMT
Just a thought, but can anyone remember the last manager to resign? You know, hold their hands up and say "Sorry, I can't do this and the club needs to find someone who can" The last manager I can recall was Kevin Keegan as England manager , after we had lost at home to Germany . I seem to remember Holloway leaving Pallace in that way.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 19, 2018 21:11:03 GMT
For me he has been let down, made to sell his best players and effectively all of his goals for peanuts (in today's market) and expected to replace Taylor, Bodin and Ellis quality with even less expenditure. You simply will never replace that with 5-600k. Agree that the players coming in haven't been good enough but I feel that is what you get today for the money he has been allowed to spend. Exactly. Taylor, Harrison, Bodin and Gaffney were sold for around £1.6m (rough figures in this age of undisclosed sums!). You simply cannot replace that kind of quality with players that cost something around £600k (Nichols, Payne, Reilly).Rovers managers have always faced this and it may be that it continues to be the right approach for the club to take. But if it is, in this age when money is a bigger factor in where teams finish, we have to accept that our natural level is lower than we historically felt it was. I suspect that we are 'naturally' a League 2 club now. The ground would certainly back that up! Let's not criticise the best manager we've had in years when he is being held back by the situation the club is in, rather than the club being held back by him. Of course you can, our net just isn't wide enough to spot the potential stars before every other club is onto them. How much did Bodin, Taylor and Gaffney cost?
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Post by gasforeverman on Nov 19, 2018 21:47:40 GMT
Spoke to dc an hour after saurdays game..he was emotional and frustrated. Said us fans deserved more and he was determind to get things right. Felt sorry for him to be honest
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 22:25:28 GMT
Exactly. Taylor, Harrison, Bodin and Gaffney were sold for around £1.6m (rough figures in this age of undisclosed sums!). You simply cannot replace that kind of quality with players that cost something around £600k (Nichols, Payne, Reilly).Rovers managers have always faced this and it may be that it continues to be the right approach for the club to take. But if it is, in this age when money is a bigger factor in where teams finish, we have to accept that our natural level is lower than we historically felt it was. I suspect that we are 'naturally' a League 2 club now. The ground would certainly back that up! Let's not criticise the best manager we've had in years when he is being held back by the situation the club is in, rather than the club being held back by him. Of course you can, our net just isn't wide enough to spot the potential stars before every other club is onto them. How much did Bodin, Taylor and Gaffney cost? Ok, it CAN be done, but the point is that it unrealistic to think it always will be. So many factors...a limited number of bargains and everyone wants them. I go back to the same analogy...you sell a car for £16k and buy a replacement for £6k. The car you buy is highly unlikely to be as good as the one you sold. It might be a good runner but chances are you'll miss the car you once had!
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Post by Blackbeard on Nov 19, 2018 22:28:57 GMT
DC needs to stay
If this was any other club he would be gone by now I'm convinced
But I think the owners are too busy trying to offload us to actually worry about the state of the league
All Waels posturing and badge kissing seems a long way off now ........
Dc I hope will outlast them .....
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Post by yategasman on Nov 19, 2018 22:32:21 GMT
DC is definitely the man for the job just give the man a decent budget to work with instead of a bloody whip round!,
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 19, 2018 22:41:56 GMT
Of course you can, our net just isn't wide enough to spot the potential stars before every other club is onto them. How much did Bodin, Taylor and Gaffney cost? Ok, it CAN be done, but the point is that it unrealistic to think it always will be. So many factors...a limited number of bargains and everyone wants them. I go back to the same analogy...you sell a car for £16k and buy a replacement for £6k. The car you buy is highly unlikely to be as good as the one you sold. It might be a good runner but chances are you'll miss the car you once had! Yeah you wont be able to keep unearthing gems, as Holloway found out, especially at Rovers who don't really have much of anything. I wish we had put more effort into the scouting side of things as we did with the relatively 'meh' backroom staff. What good are the army of coaches we have when the players brought in are below average?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 1:45:34 GMT
I absolutely hate saying this as DC is a legend however on rebuilding the double promotion side who were largely put together in non league he has really been found wanting. His approach to recruitment has always left us starting slow but this squad he has put together is an absolute shower. He has move away from his successful formula of young hungry players and has just been found out. He has over half a million to spend on strikers more then any other manager but signed garbage. For me the only way i can see him turning this situation around or taking us further is with the addition of a dof or a really decent chief scout. I cant see DC handing over control of recruitment and as suh perhaps we are at the point where we need to consider a change ? Please change my mind as i feel terrible Some of his best signings have not been young and hungry players. Lee mansell,andy monkhouse,chris lines and jermaine easter for example.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 20, 2018 8:03:48 GMT
I absolutely hate saying this as DC is a legend however on rebuilding the double promotion side who were largely put together in non league he has really been found wanting. His approach to recruitment has always left us starting slow but this squad he has put together is an absolute shower. He has move away from his successful formula of young hungry players and has just been found out. He has over half a million to spend on strikers more then any other manager but signed garbage. For me the only way i can see him turning this situation around or taking us further is with the addition of a dof or a really decent chief scout. I cant see DC handing over control of recruitment and as suh perhaps we are at the point where we need to consider a change ? Please change my mind as i feel terrible Some of his best signings have not been young and hungry players. Lee mansell,andy monkhouse,chris lines and jermaine easter for example. Hungry still in a different way! Determined to prove the old dog still had something to give. Contrast that to Stefan Payne who’s idea of hungry is a Big Mac.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 20, 2018 10:08:10 GMT
We are losing games by the smallest of margins, an upturn in form in certain players, a couple of adjustments to the way we set up or a few new faces in January could be that little bit extra we need to turn our fortunes around. What I like about Darrell is that he is an honest, passionate guy who feels our frustrations and gets us like no other manager would. I have no doubt he will not rest until he can turn us around and as December and January swing around and with it the January transfer window and our usual upturn in form, I am utterly convinced that he is the man for the job. We have lost 6 out of 9 home games this season - unless there is a dramatic upturn - we are heading only one way
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Post by cj on Nov 20, 2018 11:26:33 GMT
Be careful what you ask for.
I thought it was a big mistake when we sacked Trollope. No way would we have got relegated if we had kept him. But look what happened after sacking him.
It will be a massive mistake to sack DC. Even if we do go down.
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Post by giff on Nov 20, 2018 12:40:44 GMT
Love Dc but think he has quite a few faults , mainly how he does not seem to trust or rate young players. Watching England on Sunday I thought that a lot of the current England players would not even be considered for our 1st team ,the main reason is that they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games.
Sancho certainly more than likely wouldn't be considered for our development side not because he is not good enough just because of his age.
He must rate the young lad Zane Walker who played against Exeter but we wont see him again this season because of his age, why not get him in the squad from now until the end of the season?
If some of our youngsters 18 to 21 cant get a sniff now in this team which to my mind, is worse than our conference side then they never will
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