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Post by gasbath on Nov 20, 2018 12:50:52 GMT
Just a thought, but can anyone remember the last manager to resign? You know, hold their hands up and say "Sorry, I can't do this and the club needs to find someone who can" The last manager I can recall was Kevin Keegan as England manager , after we had lost at home to Germany . I seem to remember Holloway leaving Pallace in that way. How about Mick McCarthy from Ipswich
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 16:43:28 GMT
Ok, it CAN be done, but the point is that it unrealistic to think it always will be. So many factors...a limited number of bargains and everyone wants them. I go back to the same analogy...you sell a car for £16k and buy a replacement for £6k. The car you buy is highly unlikely to be as good as the one you sold. It might be a good runner but chances are you'll miss the car you once had! Yeah you wont be able to keep unearthing gems, as Holloway found out, especially at Rovers who don't really have much of anything. I wish we had put more effort into the scouting side of things as we did with the relatively 'meh' backroom staff. What good are the army of coaches we have when the players brought in are below average? I couldn't agree more! The scouting side has been a let down since the likes of Richard Everson and Penny left. The apparent overload of coaches and backroom staff is frustrating when you consider the scouting situation.
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Post by alvestongas on Nov 20, 2018 16:48:24 GMT
Darrell is one of very few positives we have at the moment, if he goes I fear the club would fall apart. Maybe I'm in a minority but I wouldnt let him go even if we do end up going down this season. Hear hear, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. DC very much IN, in my book. Even if we go down. Same here, the only man for the job. Not perfect but bloody good and understands the club.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 20, 2018 18:09:09 GMT
Yeah you wont be able to keep unearthing gems, as Holloway found out, especially at Rovers who don't really have much of anything. I wish we had put more effort into the scouting side of things as we did with the relatively 'meh' backroom staff. What good are the army of coaches we have when the players brought in are below average? I couldn't agree more! The scouting side has been a let down since the likes of Richard Everson and Penny left. The apparent overload of coaches and backroom staff is frustrating when you consider the scouting situation.
I remember meeting one of our scouts (the name escapes me but not Everson) once at the services on the way back from a Rovers away game. He had just been to a game not involving Rovers but there was a Rovers players playing on loan for one of the sides. I asked how he played and he didn't even realise he was playing and had to check his notes. Ever since that I have been wary of how much 'scouting' we actually do. I'm sure its improved, it wasn't so long ago we were sending injured players to scout the opposition!
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Nov 20, 2018 18:35:41 GMT
Love Dc but think he has quite a few faults , mainly how he does not seem to trust or rate young players. Watching England on Sunday I thought that a lot of the current England players would not even be considered for our 1st team ,the main reason is that they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games. Sancho certainly more than likely wouldn't be considered for our development side not because he is not good enough just because of his age. He must rate the young lad Zane Walker who played against Exeter but we wont see him again this season because of his age, why not get him in the squad from now until the end of the season? If some of our youngsters 18 to 21 cant get a sniff now in this team which to my mind, is worse than our conference side then they never will " they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games." Really? First I've heard of this, where did you hear this?
OK, in your opinion, which of our 18-21 Y/O's should be getting a chance, and in replace of whom?
Bear in mind Michael Kelly has already made is debut, and made quite a few starts this season?
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Post by pirate on Nov 20, 2018 18:36:13 GMT
I couldn't agree more! The scouting side has been a let down since the likes of Richard Everson and Penny left. The apparent overload of coaches and backroom staff is frustrating when you consider the scouting situation.
I remember meeting one of our scouts (the name escapes me but not Everson) once at the services on the way back from a Rovers away game. He had just been to a game not involving Rovers but there was a Rovers players playing on loan for one of the sides. I asked how he played and he didn't even realise he was playing and had to check his notes. Ever since that I have been wary of how much 'scouting' we actually do. I'm sure its improved, it wasn't so long ago we were sending injured players to scout the opposition!
Paul Molesworth?
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Post by legas on Nov 20, 2018 18:51:54 GMT
Love Dc but think he has quite a few faults , mainly how he does not seem to trust or rate young players. Watching England on Sunday I thought that a lot of the current England players would not even be considered for our 1st team ,the main reason is that they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games. Sancho certainly more than likely wouldn't be considered for our development side not because he is not good enough just because of his age. He must rate the young lad Zane Walker who played against Exeter but we wont see him again this season because of his age, why not get him in the squad from now until the end of the season? If some of our youngsters 18 to 21 cant get a sniff now in this team which to my mind, is worse than our conference side then they never will " they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games." Really? First I've heard of this, where did you hear this?
OK, in your opinion, which of our 18-21 Y/O's should be getting a chance, and in replace of whom?
Bear in mind Michael Kelly has already made is debut, and made quite a few starts this season?
I remember him saying this in an interview. The point he was making (I think) is that there are a lot of young players who, with a bit of arrogance, seem to think they’ve made it in the game by simply signing a contract or making the occasional first team line up. DC was saying that until you’ve proved yourself and got 100 games under your belt then you can’t say you’ve proven yourself as a pro and established yourself. I think his comment was all about attitude and earning respect, which is a good attitude to instill.
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Post by giff on Nov 21, 2018 8:05:44 GMT
Exactly the point iam making, not sure of the numbers but that means that Gareth Southgate is really taking huge gambles playing half maybe , of an England side in an important game full of kids who haven’t made it against the runners up in the World Cup. I
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Post by geddongas on Nov 21, 2018 8:36:35 GMT
I've had a bit of a break from the forums because all I ever see is this bashing of every asset we have, but i've returned having had some time to think over our recent performances.
Last year, and for quite some time before that, i think it would be fair to say we leaked goals like the titanic and ended up doing well on the back of having top quality players up front for us. DC spent a lot of time finding players to make sure that back line stopped leaking goals. Think it's also fair to say Lockyer-Craig has become a pretty steady partnership, Partington has done alright at RB last season, and James Clarke coming back into form has helped.
Now DC has had to bring in players that we can afford to replace those strikers we lost. Nichols (technically very good, natural CF, 'assisting a target man would be good' sort of player). Payne who has underperformed woefully but you'd expect a few goals at least. Reilly who was a risk but scored so many goals last season you'd have given him a chance. Jakubiak a promising youngster from a prem team.
All of those, for the money we have spent, would have been worth the total 600k or so on paper at the time of purchase. They have underperformed but that isn't all DC's fault. He must get the best out of them, but a players form isn't down to just the manager.
All the talk about DC having money to spend and getting bad results is a bit puzzling to me. We've spent a really really small amount of money. Decent League 2 strikers are valued at round £750k (Based on the asking price of Stockley at Exeter).
Let that sink in: We have spent the equivalent of 4/5ths of Jayden Stockley, a decent league two player, on our entire selection of strikers. We are in league one.
In short, DC has addressed the issues we HAD, and now has to address another issue that isn't of his making but, rather, is situational. The situation is that this club can't spend money like the other clubs in this league. I guarantee you that should DC be sacked or should go of his own accord, there would be good sides from league 2 up to the championship who would be interested in a manager of his ability. He is the asset this club has above all else. He's adapted the play well imo to not have shipped anywhere near the amount of goals we have in recent seasons.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2018 8:41:31 GMT
Love Dc but think he has quite a few faults , mainly how he does not seem to trust or rate young players. Watching England on Sunday I thought that a lot of the current England players would not even be considered for our 1st team ,the main reason is that they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games. Sancho certainly more than likely wouldn't be considered for our development side not because he is not good enough just because of his age. He must rate the young lad Zane Walker who played against Exeter but we wont see him again this season because of his age, why not get him in the squad from now until the end of the season? If some of our youngsters 18 to 21 cant get a sniff now in this team which to my mind, is worse than our conference side then they never will " they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games." Really? First I've heard of this, where did you hear this?
OK, in your opinion, which of our 18-21 Y/O's should be getting a chance, and in replace of whom?
Bear in mind Michael Kelly has already made is debut, and made quite a few starts this season?
Personally I'd give Dion Moore game time as we don't seem to have another striker who can replace Payne for the last 15 or so minutes. TBH if none of the Develop. Squad are still up to first team football you do wonder what the point is of the squad, as come May I assume most will be released again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 8:55:18 GMT
" they are too young and haven't made it yet as Dc says until they have played 100 games." Really? First I've heard of this, where did you hear this?
OK, in your opinion, which of our 18-21 Y/O's should be getting a chance, and in replace of whom?
Bear in mind Michael Kelly has already made is debut, and made quite a few starts this season?
Personally I'd give Dion Moore game time as we don't seem to have another striker who can replace Payne for the last 15 or so minutes. TBH if none of the Develop. Squad are still up to first team football you do wonder what the point is of the squad, as come May I assume most will be released again. Moore sent out on loan last week to Bath city.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 21, 2018 11:48:00 GMT
I remember meeting one of our scouts (the name escapes me but not Everson) once at the services on the way back from a Rovers away game. He had just been to a game not involving Rovers but there was a Rovers players playing on loan for one of the sides. I asked how he played and he didn't even realise he was playing and had to check his notes. Ever since that I have been wary of how much 'scouting' we actually do. I'm sure its improved, it wasn't so long ago we were sending injured players to scout the opposition!
Paul Molesworth?
Yes that's the one. I didn't recognise him but a friend I was with did so I went and had a chat.
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Post by pirate on Nov 21, 2018 11:55:39 GMT
Yes that's the one. I didn't recognise him but a friend I was with did so I went and had a chat.
He's chief scout at Newport County now.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 21, 2018 12:15:55 GMT
Yes that's the one. I didn't recognise him but a friend I was with did so I went and had a chat.
He's chief scout at Newport County now.
A step up for him then !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 13:31:37 GMT
I've had a bit of a break from the forums because all I ever see is this bashing of every asset we have, but i've returned having had some time to think over our recent performances. Last year, and for quite some time before that, i think it would be fair to say we leaked goals like the titanic and ended up doing well on the back of having top quality players up front for us. DC spent a lot of time finding players to make sure that back line stopped leaking goals. Think it's also fair to say Lockyer-Craig has become a pretty steady partnership, Partington has done alright at RB last season, and James Clarke coming back into form has helped. Now DC has had to bring in players that we can afford to replace those strikers we lost. Nichols (technically very good, natural CF, 'assisting a target man would be good' sort of player). Payne who has underperformed woefully but you'd expect a few goals at least. Reilly who was a risk but scored so many goals last season you'd have given him a chance. Jakubiak a promising youngster from a prem team. All of those, for the money we have spent, would have been worth the total 600k or so on paper at the time of purchase. They have underperformed but that isn't all DC's fault. He must get the best out of them, but a players form isn't down to just the manager. All the talk about DC having money to spend and getting bad results is a bit puzzling to me. We've spent a really really small amount of money. Decent League 2 strikers are valued at round £750k (Based on the asking price of Stockley at Exeter). Let that sink in: We have spent the equivalent of 4/5ths of Jayden Stockley, a decent league two player, on our entire selection of strikers. We are in league one. In short, DC has addressed the issues we HAD, and now has to address another issue that isn't of his making but, rather, is situational. The situation is that this club can't spend money like the other clubs in this league. I guarantee you that should DC be sacked or should go of his own accord, there would be good sides from league 2 up to the championship who would be interested in a manager of his ability. He is the asset this club has above all else. He's adapted the play well imo to not have shipped anywhere near the amount of goals we have in recent seasons. Top, top post.
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Post by lpgas on Nov 21, 2018 14:02:16 GMT
I absolutely hate saying this as DC is a legend however on rebuilding the double promotion side who were largely put together in non league he has really been found wanting. His approach to recruitment has always left us starting slow but this squad he has put together is an absolute shower. He has move away from his successful formula of young hungry players and has just been found out. He has over half a million to spend on strikers more then any other manager but signed garbage. For me the only way i can see him turning this situation around or taking us further is with the addition of a dof or a really decent chief scout. I cant see DC handing over control of recruitment and as suh perhaps we are at the point where we need to consider a change ? Please change my mind as i feel terrible For me he has been let down, made to sell his best players and effectively all of his goals for peanuts (in today's market) and expected to replace Taylor, Bodin and Ellis quality with even less expenditure. You simply will never replace that with 5-600k. Agree that the players coming in haven't been good enough but I feel that is what you get today for the money he has been allowed to spend. That's rubbish, he wasn't made to sell anyone, the players had short times on their contracts and we sold them rather than walk away. If someone offered to TREBLE your salary would you turn it down? The players come and go as they like.
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Post by lpgas on Nov 21, 2018 14:08:52 GMT
DC is definitely the man for the job just give the man a decent budget to work with instead of a bloody whip round!, He has a mid table budget which he has already spent. We are on 85% of our income. That is the EFL limit, hence having to get rid of players before we can get some in. we are were we are purely down to DC' inability to manage at this level. His recruitment is terrible. This team are worse than the team that last dropped to division 2, at least they scored
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Post by geddongas on Nov 21, 2018 16:39:37 GMT
DC is definitely the man for the job just give the man a decent budget to work with instead of a bloody whip round!, He has a mid table budget which he has already spent. We are on 85% of our income. That is the EFL limit, hence having to get rid of players before we can get some in. we are were we are purely down to DC' inability to manage at this level. His recruitment is terrible. This team are worse than the team that last dropped to division 2, at least they scored Bet you weren’t criticising DC’s recruitment (mind you, you probably did judging by most of your posts) when he brought in Sercombe who ended last season as one of the best CMs in the league. Or when he punted on Bennett who was, for the second half of the year last year, one of the best players we had. A few players have not turned up this season. One of our main signings hasn’t started a game for us yet (Tareiq Holmes-Dennis) but is literally a steal should he stay fit (couple of Pompey fans i’ve seen seemed to like him a lot). You’ll quote Nichols at me, but he’s technically a very good player. He improves us. Payne is woeful, but on paper looked at the time like an okay stop gap until we could afford to go in for a star striker. The price of decent strikers has risen so much that managers are faced with unearthing jewels constantly. Sometimes it works (Bodin, Taylor, Harrison) and sometimes it doesn’t. That’s football.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Nov 21, 2018 18:35:16 GMT
The only thing that needs changing is DC to go
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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2018 19:30:33 GMT
DC is definitely the man for the job just give the man a decent budget to work with instead of a bloody whip round!, Interesting post. Tell me how much lower is our playing budget than last season ?
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