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Post by farmygas on Dec 9, 2018 21:21:57 GMT
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Post by Raj Gas on Dec 9, 2018 21:25:14 GMT
Anybody remember when Atkins and co came here brought in 7new players we stayed up think we need the same now a manager with fire and passion Yes and tbh I think that coaching set up was a lot more experienced than this one. I remember back then Atkins saying he had received the largest budget here that he had ever worked with and DC has now admitted the same.Sometimes when Managers in this position they start building a squad rather than a team and lose sight of just what has been successful, trying to recruit for all eventualities but mastering none of them. Suddenly the opposition who play the same way with the same players week in week out beat us with really they have no right to.
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 9, 2018 21:30:31 GMT
Anybody remember when Atkins and co came here brought in 7new players we stayed up think we need the same now a manager with fire and passion Yes and tbh I think that coaching set up was a lot more experienced than this one. I remember back then Atkins saying he had received the largest budget here that he had ever worked with and DC has now admitted the same.Sometimes when Managers in this position they start building a squad rather than a team and lose sight of just what has been successful, trying to recruit for all eventualities but mastering none of them. Suddenly the opposition who play the same way with the same players week in week out beat us with really they have no right to. we need a Roy Keane type in our management team to put a rocket up their arses
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Post by LJG on Dec 10, 2018 14:56:25 GMT
Originally when they bought the club, obviously then. Since then they have just been running up debt against the Mem, no? Would be happy to be wrong on that of course. They did not pay for the shares those were gifted to them by the shareholders. On acquiring Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd Dwane Sports provided that company with a loan which was used to pay off the previous shareholders loans and bonds and the MSP Capital loan. Every penny used to acquire the club and fund it's trading losses has come from the Dwane Sports loan or the sale of assets (players). For someone who claims to know a lot about large commercial purchases this is either naive or duplicitous. The creation of a loan isn't a cash point is it? You don't say "My business which I 100% own will loan my football club £3m" and SHAZAM the cash appears. Liquid funds are transferred from one body to the other. So go on - where did those liquid funds come from. It wasn't player sales was it?
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Post by LJG on Dec 10, 2018 14:58:44 GMT
Says who? The same sources that said they were putting in no more money and not paying bills, over a year ago?? Or the ones that said we were sold already?? Even though they were putting in no more money and not paying bills, the budget went up. How does that work?? Got to love people posting things on here, Facebook etc, like they are facts. Nope, says the man who spends the budget. Oh yeah the guy who wanted to point the finger for his p1ss poor team not scoring any goals on the fact we haven't got a stadium plan yet. The guy who admitted his budget had increased every year since he became manager.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 10, 2018 15:04:46 GMT
Nope, says the man who spends the budget. Oh yeah the guy who wanted to point the finger for his p1ss poor team not scoring any goals on the fact we haven't got a stadium plan yet. The guy who admitted his budget had increased every year since he became manager. Not sure I get the point you’re making?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 10, 2018 15:06:21 GMT
Nope, says the man who spends the budget. Oh yeah the guy who wanted to point the finger for his p1ss poor team not scoring any goals on the fact we haven't got a stadium plan yet. The guy who admitted his budget had increased every year since he became manager. yes but we had been getting promoted during that time! It's about proportional increase surely. Mid table league 2 vs mid table league 1 is hardly an increase in proportional terms even if it is in value.
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Post by LJG on Dec 10, 2018 15:15:52 GMT
Oh yeah the guy who wanted to point the finger for his p1ss poor team not scoring any goals on the fact we haven't got a stadium plan yet. The guy who admitted his budget had increased every year since he became manager. Not sure I get the point you’re making? He hasn't consistently said the same thing about his budget - he's always hard done by but his guesstimation of where that puts us in the league varies depending on how we're fairing on the pitch. Now at a time when things on the pitch are dog sh1t he can think of lots and lots of off field issues he wants to talk about in interviews. Oh and by the way he's never mentioned it before but the first time we get a proper d1cking in the league he's suddenly remembered the board will be cutting his budget (which he admits has increased every year since he became manager) by £1m ... ish ... maybe ... he thinks ... not very definite. Funny coincidence that. Surely he'll be a hero however we perform next season if he's here in the face of information like that? And surely no other sane football manager would want to come to this club with nutters on the board slashing budgets left and right? No no, best not to apply lads, DC will shoulder that great burden for you.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 10, 2018 16:36:42 GMT
Not sure I get the point you’re making? He hasn't consistently said the same thing about his budget - he's always hard done by but his guesstimation of where that puts us in the league varies depending on how we're fairing on the pitch. Now at a time when things on the pitch are dog sh1t he can think of lots and lots of off field issues he wants to talk about in interviews. Oh and by the way he's never mentioned it before but the first time we get a proper d1cking in the league he's suddenly remembered the board will be cutting his budget (which he admits has increased every year since he became manager) by £1m ... ish ... maybe ... he thinks ... not very definite. Funny coincidence that. Surely he'll be a hero however we perform next season if he's here in the face of information like that? And surely no other sane football manager would want to come to this club with nutters on the board slashing budgets left and right? No no, best not to apply lads, DC will shoulder that great burden for you. I don’t think he’s ever said anything other than he’s got a midtable budget this season? He was saying that to supporters and on the BBC forum at Ashton Gate back in the summer. He was told in the board meeting on Thursday that the cuts were being made, so I think his post-match interview on Saturday was the first time he’d spoken to the media since being told. And the £1m+ cuts isn’t being made to his budget exclusively, but across the club in general (but that will obviously mean that his budget will have to reduce). I do get that he’s playing the ‘poor me’ card quite regularly in interviews atm though, when the bottom line is that we should be doing far better than we are this season with the money he’s been given to form his squad.
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Post by lpgas on Dec 10, 2018 16:40:53 GMT
Yes and tbh I think that coaching set up was a lot more experienced than this one. I remember back then Atkins saying he had received the largest budget here that he had ever worked with and DC has now admitted the same.Sometimes when Managers in this position they start building a squad rather than a team and lose sight of just what has been successful, trying to recruit for all eventualities but mastering none of them. Suddenly the opposition who play the same way with the same players week in week out beat us with really they have no right to. we need a Roy Keane type in our management team to put a rocket up their arses They would be "over the moon" with that. Literally
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Post by lpgas on Dec 10, 2018 16:42:14 GMT
He hasn't consistently said the same thing about his budget - he's always hard done by but his guesstimation of where that puts us in the league varies depending on how we're fairing on the pitch. Now at a time when things on the pitch are dog sh1t he can think of lots and lots of off field issues he wants to talk about in interviews. Oh and by the way he's never mentioned it before but the first time we get a proper d1cking in the league he's suddenly remembered the board will be cutting his budget (which he admits has increased every year since he became manager) by £1m ... ish ... maybe ... he thinks ... not very definite. Funny coincidence that. Surely he'll be a hero however we perform next season if he's here in the face of information like that? And surely no other sane football manager would want to come to this club with nutters on the board slashing budgets left and right? No no, best not to apply lads, DC will shoulder that great burden for you. I don’t think he’s ever said anything other than he’s got a midtable budget this season? He was saying that to supporters and on the BBC forum at Ashton Gate back in the summer. He was told in the board meeting on Thursday that the cuts were being made, so I think his post-match interview on Saturday was the first time he’d spoken to the media since being told. And the £1m+ cuts isn’t being made to his budget exclusively, but across the club in general (but that will obviously mean that his budget will have to reduce). I do get that he’s playing the ‘poor me’ card quite regularly in interviews atm though, when the bottom line is that we should be doing far better than we are this season with the money he’s been given to form his squad. That's because he can no longer moan about the pitch
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Post by swissgas on Dec 10, 2018 16:53:32 GMT
They did not pay for the shares those were gifted to them by the shareholders. On acquiring Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd Dwane Sports provided that company with a loan which was used to pay off the previous shareholders loans and bonds and the MSP Capital loan. Every penny used to acquire the club and fund it's trading losses has come from the Dwane Sports loan or the sale of assets (players). For someone who claims to know a lot about large commercial purchases this is either naive or duplicitous. The creation of a loan isn't a cash point is it? You don't say "My business which I 100% own will loan my football club £3m" and SHAZAM the cash appears. Liquid funds are transferred from one body to the other. So go on - where did those liquid funds come from. It wasn't player sales was it? Centenary Gas was asked where he thought the money had come from. His reply was "originally when they bought the club, obviously then, since then they have just been running up debts against the Mem" I wanted to clarify this because they did not actually buy the club they were given it and I thought that Centenary Gas and others may be under the impression that Dwane Sports had first paid for the shares in cash and then loaned the club money. I don't know where the liquid funds for the loan came from but I am fairly sure they will be going back there at some point
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Post by peterparker on Dec 10, 2018 17:07:08 GMT
Is everyone missing the fact that DC said he is underachieving with what he has, or have you all been blinded by his deflection towards the board. If so DC did a good job there didn't he?
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Post by dragonfly on Dec 10, 2018 17:21:27 GMT
I have no confidence in the owners after the way we have been misled over the the stadium and training Ground. I also have little remaining confidence in DC who has picked a fight with the owners while presiding over a near catastrophic year of very poor management and would remind him that he is paid to deliver on the field - so do it.
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Post by lpgas on Dec 10, 2018 17:35:20 GMT
I have no confidence in the owners after the way we have been misled over the the stadium and training Ground. I also have little remaining confidence in DC who has picked a fight with the owners while presiding over a near catastrophic year of very poor management and would remind him that he is paid to deliver on the field - so do it. The owners gave no times scale about a stadium, only Hamer blurted out that the training ground would be "partially ready by July 2017". Given we are losing £1.5 million a year and up until recently have got goodish crowds, then something needs cutting.
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Post by LJG on Dec 10, 2018 22:39:53 GMT
For someone who claims to know a lot about large commercial purchases this is either naive or duplicitous. The creation of a loan isn't a cash point is it? You don't say "My business which I 100% own will loan my football club £3m" and SHAZAM the cash appears. Liquid funds are transferred from one body to the other. So go on - where did those liquid funds come from. It wasn't player sales was it? Centenary Gas was asked where he thought the money had come from. His reply was "originally when they bought the club, obviously then, since then they have just been running up debts against the Mem" I wanted to clarify this because they did not actually buy the club they were given it and I thought that Centenary Gas and others may be under the impression that Dwane Sports had first paid for the shares in cash and then loaned the club money. I don't know where the liquid funds for the loan came from but I am fairly sure they will be going back there at some point But you accept that liquid funds must have been and continue to be injected into the club. You've tried again and again to make it sound like this is merely some accounting trick. At least now you openly agree that it is not.
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