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Post by althepirate on Dec 24, 2018 22:20:12 GMT
Despite all the positive input Ben is now 20/1.
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Post by pirate on Dec 24, 2018 22:37:45 GMT
For me, it is about the longer term as well as the very important short term. It is all well and good winning 2 or 3 games early on when there is often a new manager 'bounce' effect, but can the manager keep the results going for the rest of the season, and looking further ahead, can he build a team in the summer and kick on next season? Obviously there is no guarantee with any manager. My choice would still be Garner. Everything I know and have read about Garner has impressed me and I think he is right for both the short and long term. He has built up some great contacts and has probably got the most coaching experience out of any of the candidates, even at his young age. I reckon with his reputation as a coach, managers will be more willing to send good young players to us on loan. He has also taken on many of the roles a manager would in his time as a First Team Coach and I reckon will slip into the manager role seamlessly. I believe the club that takes a chance on Garner will be getting a potentially exciting prospect as manager and I hope the club that benefits is us. Everything you say about garner makes sense And I totally trust your judgement because you clearly know your lower league football . However if coughlan can get us three points v Walsall then he’s clearly got us firing and changing it then would be a massive risk . Maybe coughlans got a mate who’s a top scout and you and I don’t know about that ? This man clearly has the mentality to take us forward watching his interviews tells us that. Maybe if he gets us through Christmas and we’re not in the bottom four anymore then he deserves his chance ? Obviously the board will have a decision to make if GC wins the next couple, but as I said, Garner would be my number one choice regardless. There is no reason why GC couldn't continue in his former role, where he has been successful improving our goals against column, or as an assistant.
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Post by socrates on Dec 24, 2018 22:44:45 GMT
Everything you say about garner makes sense And I totally trust your judgement because you clearly know your lower league football . However if coughlan can get us three points v Walsall then he’s clearly got us firing and changing it then would be a massive risk . Maybe coughlans got a mate who’s a top scout and you and I don’t know about that ? This man clearly has the mentality to take us forward watching his interviews tells us that. Maybe if he gets us through Christmas and we’re not in the bottom four anymore then he deserves his chance ? Obviously the board will have a decision to make if GC wins the next couple, but as I said, Garner would be my number one choice regardless. There is no reason why GC couldn't continue in his former role, where he has been successful improving our goals against column, or as an assistant. At the moment I’m actually quite positive about the rest of the season but I also feel that at any moment the momentum we’ve built this last 10 days or so could be pulled away from us and momentum is so important in football. Massive couple of weeks for the board this is, what went before was all about DC but now we’re not in his hands anymore I haven’t got a clue what they’re going to do
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Post by althepirate on Dec 24, 2018 23:17:47 GMT
Obviously the board will have a decision to make if GC wins the next couple, but as I said, Garner would be my number one choice regardless. There is no reason why GC couldn't continue in his former role, where he has been successful improving our goals against column, or as an assistant. At the moment I’m actually quite positive about the rest of the season but I also feel that at any moment the momentum we’ve built this last 10 days or so could be pulled away from us and momentum is so important in football. Massive couple of weeks for the board this is, what went before was all about DC but now we’re not in his hands anymore I haven’t got a clue what they’re going to do I think they will wait and see what GC does and if positive they will roll with him until the end of the season as we need stability. He was positive about the boards input in his interview unlike DC who imo had a very negative attitude towards the board and I think this affected the results.
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Post by wysemangas on Dec 25, 2018 6:59:55 GMT
Only know about Garner by what I have read and the recommendations made by people in the game, it sounds good on paper. The rest that are being mentioned are mostly managers that don’t inspire me.
Coughlan not doing a bad job after two games, but does he have the connections Garner may have in the game?
Just wondering if Garner became manager with Coughlan his assistant manager. No managerial experience in the EFL, but both been around long enough to know what it requires.
The cost would not be great as DC and MS have left and Coughlan already on the books. That might appeal to the AQs
Merry Christmas
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Post by socrates on Dec 25, 2018 9:12:15 GMT
At the moment I’m actually quite positive about the rest of the season but I also feel that at any moment the momentum we’ve built this last 10 days or so could be pulled away from us and momentum is so important in football. Massive couple of weeks for the board this is, what went before was all about DC but now we’re not in his hands anymore I haven’t got a clue what they’re going to do I think they will wait and see what GC does and if positive they will roll with him until the end of the season as we need stability. He was positive about the boards input in his interview unlike DC who imo had a very negative attitude towards the board and I think this affected the results. It definitely did Al . Merry Christmas mate !
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Post by althepirate on Dec 25, 2018 9:29:37 GMT
I think they will wait and see what GC does and if positive they will roll with him until the end of the season as we need stability. He was positive about the boards input in his interview unlike DC who imo had a very negative attitude towards the board and I think this affected the results. It definitely did Al . Merry Christmas mate ! Thanks Sam and a Merry Christmas to you and yours UTG
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Post by pirate on Jan 1, 2019 20:24:37 GMT
GC comes across well as a no nonsense, straight forward type of manager. As socrates says, a typical Rovers boss. No manager BS like so many and some of the things he’s done like a straight forward system with players seemingly in their best positions with right footers on the right and left footers on the left seems a good thing to do. He’s simplified it and our players are League 1 players so we need to keep it simple. It remains to be seen if he can make changes in a match to counter an opposing teams formation like DC did several times. But he will rightly feel a bit miffed if we get two results next up then he doesn’t get a chance. UTG! I reckon with his reputation as a coach, managers will be more willing to send good young players to us on loan. These recent quotes from Rafa Benitez, regarding loaning out Elias Sorensen, are one of the reasons Garner would be my number one choice, for the reasons I stated above. "But sometimes it is a risk as you don't know how they will train with the other team. "If you have players under your control you know exactly what you are looking for. "You can improve them. "When they go to any division or any team they have to compete to win and they (the other club) forget about the development of the player. "You have to find the balance and that is the key for us." www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-issues-warning-clubs-15508548
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 20:27:44 GMT
I reckon with his reputation as a coach, managers will be more willing to send good young players to us on loan. These recent quotes from Rafa Benitez, regarding loaning out Elias Sorensen, are one of the reasons Garner would be my number one choice, for the reasons I stated above. "But sometimes it is a risk as you don't know how they will train with the other team. "If you have players under your control you know exactly what you are looking for. "You can improve them. "When they go to any division or any team they have to compete to win and they (the other club) forget about the development of the player. "You have to find the balance and that is the key for us." www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-issues-warning-clubs-15508548That's all good and well, but lets be brutally honest, Ben Garner is a complete unknown as a manager and would represent a big gamble at this time.
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Post by pirate on Jan 1, 2019 20:41:11 GMT
These recent quotes from Rafa Benitez, regarding loaning out Elias Sorensen, are one of the reasons Garner would be my number one choice, for the reasons I stated above. "But sometimes it is a risk as you don't know how they will train with the other team. "If you have players under your control you know exactly what you are looking for. "You can improve them. "When they go to any division or any team they have to compete to win and they (the other club) forget about the development of the player. "You have to find the balance and that is the key for us." www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-issues-warning-clubs-15508548That's all good and well, but lets be brutally honest, Ben Garner is a complete unknown as a manager and would represent a big gamble at this time. I wouldn't say there are any real outstanding candidates from the bookies list and most of them would be a gamble. As Pulis said "Ben's an excellent coach and now he just needs a chance to prove he can do it as a head coach. Someone will give him an opportunity at some point sooner or later" And Rickie Lambert: “It depends what the board want to do. If they want a quick fix, or somebody to really build something. Ben can do that, and be there for years to come." "If anyone can get the job done for me its Ben. I would highly recommend him. Just needs the chance.”
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 1, 2019 20:53:25 GMT
Imagine Lambo back here as a striker coach as well...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 21:00:02 GMT
That's all good and well, but lets be brutally honest, Ben Garner is a complete unknown as a manager and would represent a big gamble at this time. I wouldn't say there are any real outstanding candidates from the bookies list and most of them would be a gamble. As Pulis said "Ben's an excellent coach and now he just needs a chance to prove he can do it as a head coach. Someone will give him an opportunity at some point sooner or later" And Rickie Lambert: “It depends what the board want to do. If they want a quick fix, or somebody to really build something. Ben can do that, and be there for years to come." "If anyone can get the job done for me its Ben. I would highly recommend him. Just needs the chance.” It shouldn't come as any surprise that people in footballing circles tout members of their network for a job. I wouldn't be particularly adverse to a left field appointment should there be an outstanding candidate in the future. However we're in a relegation battle and I'd argue we need someone with experience of being in and around the lower leagues, playing or managing until the end of the season. GC ticks that box. BG doesn't. Too big a gamble at this stage.
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Post by pirate on Jan 1, 2019 21:06:26 GMT
I wouldn't say there are any real outstanding candidates from the bookies list and most of them would be a gamble. As Pulis said "Ben's an excellent coach and now he just needs a chance to prove he can do it as a head coach. Someone will give him an opportunity at some point sooner or later" And Rickie Lambert: “It depends what the board want to do. If they want a quick fix, or somebody to really build something. Ben can do that, and be there for years to come." "If anyone can get the job done for me its Ben. I would highly recommend him. Just needs the chance.” It shouldn't come as any surprise that people in footballing circles tout members of their network for a job. I wouldn't be particularly adverse to a left field appointment should there be an outstanding candidate in the future. However we're in a relegation battle and I'd argue we need someone with experience of being in and around the lower leagues, playing or managing until the end of the season. GC ticks that box. BG doesn't. Too big a gamble at this stage. We will have to agree to disagree then. I would have Garner here over Coughlin (as much as i like Cogs) without a shadow of doubt.
edit: there is no reason why Coughlin couldnt revert to his former role or act as an assistant and offer his "experience of being in and around the lower leagues."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 21:18:14 GMT
It shouldn't come as any surprise that people in footballing circles tout members of their network for a job. I wouldn't be particularly adverse to a left field appointment should there be an outstanding candidate in the future. However we're in a relegation battle and I'd argue we need someone with experience of being in and around the lower leagues, playing or managing until the end of the season. GC ticks that box. BG doesn't. Too big a gamble at this stage. We will have to agree to disagree then. I would have Garner here over Coughlin (as much as i like Cogs) without a shadow of doubt. Genuinely not sure what's behind the confidence in his ability to manage a lower league side. He's never managed or played a game in the football league. Football is awash of good coaches who are talked up by 'footballing people'. Very few ever make a success of a managerial role which is fundamentally different to coaching, as the PT bashing crew won't hesitate to point out. To throw someone who has zero first team managerial experience and hasn't been around the lower leagues into a lower league relegation battle would be a reckless and illogical. What GC clearly has in his locker is an ability to galvanise and get a tune out of an under performing squad, which in the shorter term is what we need.
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Post by landrover on Jan 1, 2019 22:55:37 GMT
It shouldn't come as any surprise that people in footballing circles tout members of their network for a job. I wouldn't be particularly adverse to a left field appointment should there be an outstanding candidate in the future. However we're in a relegation battle and I'd argue we need someone with experience of being in and around the lower leagues, playing or managing until the end of the season. GC ticks that box. BG doesn't. Too big a gamble at this stage. We will have to agree to disagree then. I would have Garner here over Coughlin (as much as i like Cogs) without a shadow of doubt.
edit: there is no reason why Coughlin couldnt revert to his former role or act as an assistant and offer his "experience of being in and around the lower leagues."
If Ben Garner is that good then why didn’t Olly take him with him to Millwall and QPR. Plus he’s not mentioned him in his column. And Pulis never took him to Middlesbrough from WBA. In fact, the first thing Megson did on becoming caretaker manager after Pulis’ sacking was to get rid of BG. Come to think of it Warnock hasn’t re used him. There seems to be agenda’s at play here.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 1, 2019 23:14:50 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree then. I would have Garner here over Coughlin (as much as i like Cogs) without a shadow of doubt.
edit: there is no reason why Coughlin couldnt revert to his former role or act as an assistant and offer his "experience of being in and around the lower leagues."
If Ben Garner is that good then why didn’t Olly take him with him to Millwall and QPR. Plus he’s not mentioned him in his column. And Pulis never took him to Middlesbrough from WBA. In fact, the first thing Megson did on becoming caretaker manager after Pulis’ sacking was to get rid of BG. Come to think of it Warnock hasn’t re used him. There seems to be agenda’s at play here. 👀👀
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Post by pirate on Jan 1, 2019 23:23:06 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree then. I would have Garner here over Coughlin (as much as i like Cogs) without a shadow of doubt. Genuinely not sure what's behind the confidence in his ability to manage a lower league side. He's never managed or played a game in the football league. Football is awash of good coaches who are talked up by 'footballing people'. Very few ever make a success of a managerial role which is fundamentally different to coaching, as the PT bashing crew won't hesitate to point out. To throw someone who has zero first team managerial experience and hasn't been around the lower leagues into a lower league relegation battle would be a reckless and illogical. What GC clearly has in his locker is an ability to galvanise and get a tune out of an under performing squad, which in the shorter term is what we need. My confidence in him comes from his 20+ years of coaching experience at various levels, his contact list and experience working with the likes of Holloway, Pulis, Warnock, Pardew, Venables, Lennie Lawrence and Gerry Francis, his reputation in the game, his experience of promotions and consolidation at a higher level and the fact he has managed teams against lower league clubs in the EFL Trophy and scouted teams and players at this level. He has taken all the football side of training from Monday to Thursday at West Brom and prepared and delivered the team meetings before each game. He wouldn't exactly be coming in as total novice
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Post by pirate on Jan 1, 2019 23:38:42 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree then. I would have Garner here over Coughlin (as much as i like Cogs) without a shadow of doubt.
edit: there is no reason why Coughlin couldnt revert to his former role or act as an assistant and offer his "experience of being in and around the lower leagues."
If Ben Garner is that good then why didn’t Olly take him with him to Millwall and QPR. Plus he’s not mentioned him in his column. And Pulis never took him to Middlesbrough from WBA. In fact, the first thing Megson did on becoming caretaker manager after Pulis’ sacking was to get rid of BG. Come to think of it Warnock hasn’t re used him. There seems to be agenda’s at play here. Why would he have left his role at Palace (a club he supports and spent so many years at) to go to Millwall? Ollie must have rated him otherwise he wouldn't have promoted him to the role of First Team Coach. 3 months later Palace won promotion to the Premier League. He wants a managerial role now so maybe he wouldn't have wanted to go to 'Boro, but in Pulis' own words "Ben's an excellent coach".
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 1, 2019 23:40:55 GMT
What you think of coughlan pirate? Do you think after the usual new manager honeymoon period we’re be back in the brown stuff again or you think he can attract a few good players in to keep us out the basement battle I’m on the fence,think he’s done really well but a lot of managers do at first It’s roll the dice either way
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Post by pirate on Jan 1, 2019 23:54:27 GMT
What you think of coughlan pirate? Do you think after the usual new manager honeymoon period we’re be back in the brown stuff again or you think he can attract a few good players in to keep us out the basement battle I’m on the fence,think he’s done really well but a lot of managers do at first It’s roll the dice either way He has done a good job in the role and i think he probably has enough about him to keep us up, but longer term (and even shorter) i would have more confidence in Garner to attract players and build something really exciting here. As Lambo says: "he was a very expansive coach, who focused on attacking and playing football on the deck. He was very organized, but imaginative, and had a great understanding of players. He’s a real modern coach."
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