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Post by keygas on Feb 6, 2019 22:02:51 GMT
Cmon lads, it’s a football match, it’s not gonna kill us! If you don’t like it , don’t go, if you really don’t give two f**ks! Enjoy the match👍🏽 UTG Exactly , support the club not the conspiracy.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 6, 2019 22:09:48 GMT
Is it apathy though regarding the checkertrade games or are you just lumping every issue supporters have re rovers together. There are many people who don’t believe or share your view on the fate of football regarding incorporating u23 teams into the football league. That’s not apathy on their part. The apathy is in those that don’t support these games and impose their beliefs on here. However not attending these matches I don’t believe will change anything. Where’s the banners where’s the pickets - nothing to stop you having banners at normal league games, writing to the club etc etc to make your point at a higher profile. As for issues re the boards non communication and seeming non action re investment in the club like the redevelopment of the Mem and the colony I will accept. However some still have belief in the Board will sort these things and are working currently to do so. That isn’t apathy in any shape or form. Apathy is those on here that continually act like keyboard warriors abusing the board and not taking the real high profile action fans of Blackburn, Charlton and Blackpool have engaged in that everyone gets to see on the tv. Uh, a lot to digest there. I'll try to reply to the bits about the Checkatrade as that's what this thread is about. Is it apathy though regarding the checkertrade games
I believe so. The most-cited response I get from people who want to break the boycott is "well it won't make any difference what we do so we may as well go". That shows apathy towards the health of the Football League Trophy and the lower leagues as a whole. I've never heard anyone that is intent on going be enthusiastic about the inclusion of academy teams but they're still going because they "can't change anything". That is apathy. Where’s the banners where’s the pickets
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/boycottThere are many people who don’t believe or share your view on the fate of football regarding incorporating u23 teams into the football league.I must admit I've never seen anyone in favour of incorporating U23 teams into the Football League so far, unless that's you? Ultimately I can't stop anyone attending Checkatrade matches, I can only dissuade them from doing so. If that doesn't work then fair enough enjoy your day but those people ought to be able to look at the facts of what they're supporting and the national boycott they're breaking and be able to say "that doesn't trouble me". I don't see that, I only see excuses and guilt-tinged outrage. Although you may have an ethical and moral argument the fact still remains . How do we as a moderate size football club generate a potential windfall of between 250k and 1 million ?. Secondly: like a lot of working people in our country we still need to survive and often we have no choice but to accept things . Thirdly : on what basis do a collective group of people decide what is ethically wrong ?. Is it right to have foreign owners ?. Do the rich pay an equitable amount of taxation ? Is it ok to bank outside of the UK ?. Have we scanned and checked every single group / persons who have taken over every football club ?. What about wage structures and the gap between the have and have not's ? . Do the wealth in football reflect the social and economical trend ?. Can working people or the poor afford to watch football in their own communities anymore ?. Although nearly every point raised above will have some yes or no's !. My moral judgement is based on just a few deciding points. We need money in order to sustain divison one football and we have no sugar daddy. I am a Bristol Rovers supporters. I want Bristol Rovers to get to Wembley and generate income and the wider publicity a final will bring. My decision may not be ethically right but how else can we achieve the above without this access or opportunity ??
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Post by gasforeverman on Feb 6, 2019 22:15:43 GMT
Be calling people who break there boycott scabs next! Well im going against sunderland and my attendence or any others wont affect the u23 entering the league. If the prem flash big cash the owners of each efl club will make the decision and then make a collective decision... How often do clubs owners listen to there own fans?
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Post by farmygas on Feb 6, 2019 23:14:42 GMT
Uh, a lot to digest there. I'll try to reply to the bits about the Checkatrade as that's what this thread is about. Is it apathy though regarding the checkertrade games
I believe so. The most-cited response I get from people who want to break the boycott is "well it won't make any difference what we do so we may as well go". That shows apathy towards the health of the Football League Trophy and the lower leagues as a whole. I've never heard anyone that is intent on going be enthusiastic about the inclusion of academy teams but they're still going because they "can't change anything". That is apathy. Where’s the banners where’s the pickets
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/boycottThere are many people who don’t believe or share your view on the fate of football regarding incorporating u23 teams into the football league.I must admit I've never seen anyone in favour of incorporating U23 teams into the Football League so far, unless that's you? Ultimately I can't stop anyone attending Checkatrade matches, I can only dissuade them from doing so. If that doesn't work then fair enough enjoy your day but those people ought to be able to look at the facts of what they're supporting and the national boycott they're breaking and be able to say "that doesn't trouble me". I don't see that, I only see excuses and guilt-tinged outrage. Although you may have an ethical and moral argument the fact still remains . How do we as a moderate size football club generate a potential windfall of between 250k and 1 million ?. Secondly: like a lot of working people in our country we still need to survive and often we have no choice but to accept things . Thirdly : on what basis do a collective group of people decide what is ethically wrong ?. Is it right to have foreign owners ?. Do the rich pay an equitable amount of taxation ? Is it ok to bank outside of the UK ?. Have we scanned and checked every single group / persons who have taken over every football club ?. What about wage structures and the gap between the have and have not's ? . Do the wealth in football reflect the social and economical trend ?. Can working people or the poor afford to watch football in their own communities anymore ?. Although nearly every point raised above will have some yes or no's !. My moral judgement is based on just a few deciding points. We need money in order to sustain divison one football and we have no sugar daddy. I am a Bristol Rovers supporters. I want Bristol Rovers to get to Wembley and generate income and the wider publicity a final will bring. My decision may not be ethically right but how else can we achieve the above without this access or opportunity ?? I genuinely don't understand this reply. Sorry.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 7, 2019 9:42:02 GMT
Although you may have an ethical and moral argument the fact still remains . How do we as a moderate size football club generate a potential windfall of between 250k and 1 million ?. Secondly: like a lot of working people in our country we still need to survive and often we have no choice but to accept things . Thirdly : on what basis do a collective group of people decide what is ethically wrong ?. Is it right to have foreign owners ?. Do the rich pay an equitable amount of taxation ? Is it ok to bank outside of the UK ?. Have we scanned and checked every single group / persons who have taken over every football club ?. What about wage structures and the gap between the have and have not's ? . Do the wealth in football reflect the social and economical trend ?. Can working people or the poor afford to watch football in their own communities anymore ?. Although nearly every point raised above will have some yes or no's !. My moral judgement is based on just a few deciding points. We need money in order to sustain divison one football and we have no sugar daddy. I am a Bristol Rovers supporters. I want Bristol Rovers to get to Wembley and generate income and the wider publicity a final will bring. My decision may not be ethically right but how else can we achieve the above without this access or opportunity ?? I genuinely don't understand this reply. Sorry. What don't you understand ?. In simple terms you don't agree with people supporting this competition I don't see much of an issue . Also we need the money and national exposure . Let's see if Sunderland sell out before they even go on general sale ( I will update ). I will be going to matches !.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Feb 7, 2019 12:05:00 GMT
Once again, apathy reigns at Bristol Rovers FC. Is it apathy though regarding the checkertrade games or are you just lumping every issue supporters have re rovers together. There are many people who don’t believe or share your view on the fate of football regarding incorporating u23 teams into the football league. That’s not apathy on their part. The apathy is in those that don’t support these games and impose their beliefs on here. However not attending these matches I don’t believe will change anything. Where’s the banners where’s the pickets - nothing to stop you having banners at normal league games, writing to the club etc etc to make your point at a higher profile. As for issues re the boards non communication and seeming non action re investment in the club like the redevelopment of the Mem and the colony I will accept. However some still have belief in the Board will sort these things and are working currently to do so. That isn’t apathy in any shape or form. Apathy is those on here that continually act like keyboard warriors abusing the board and not taking the real high profile action fans of Blackburn, Charlton and Blackpool have engaged in that everyone gets to see on the tv. Hang on, your last sentence is exactly what I am doing! I am voting with my feet re the checkatrade cup and will not (ever) attend a game in it's current guise. The only reason I comment on it on here is that I genuinely fear that many fans (across the entirety of the bottom 2 divisions, not just us) do not comprehend quite what a threat this change is and what it alludes to in the future. With respect, from what you have said I would suggest that was true of you. I won't get back up on my soap box again for too long as I have done plenty of that re this comp over other threads.. But I will once again point you towards the Spanish lower leagues as to an example of the dystopian future that potentially lay ahead if the big boys get their way and have their reserves integrated to the football league.
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Post by hungdrawnandquarters on Feb 7, 2019 22:07:37 GMT
Exactly. Are people worried about what they think might happen to lower league clubs or are they worried about what they think might happen to us as a lower league club, if what they think might happen, happens & we end up in the same division as the Sh** U23's? I have said before, whilst people subscribe to Sky BT Etc., then the money will always dictate. The boat was missed 20 odd years ago, football changed, like it or not. For every Fleetwood or Forest Green we have now there is a York or Stockport that have lost their way. We either move with the times or get left behind as a club, our Owners need to decide which they want, until then I just go along & support the team. BRFC have been used by the owners they thought they could get a stadium and all the benefits with it student housing etc,but the uwe wouldn’t have none of it and it’s backfired on the owners not being able too have it all for themselves so didn’t want to do business with the uwe and now they don’t know what to do with us that’s why they don’t communicate with us, all this is in my opinion.UTG Sounds about the size of it, I doubt there's people queuing up to buy the club from them though. I think a fan owned club is the way to go, or at least fans having a large stake in the club. I dunno how other clubs have done this but there are a few fan-owned clubs. People have to realise all the time businessmen are in charge the club is never going to come before their own bank balance.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Feb 7, 2019 22:16:48 GMT
Haven’t been to a game in this competition since they changed the format,
Having said that I’ll be going to the Sunderland game, if anything it’s a chance to show the EFL corporate fat cats that the fans will turn up and take the competition seriously if the Prem U13 sides are out.
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Post by Thatslife on Feb 7, 2019 22:28:31 GMT
Give them the whole ground and we just have the family stand.... we don't need much space with all the fans who are boycotting this game I have heard that certain sections have been 'withheld' in case they want more. A forward move from the club !. This will work and the club needs to give Luton Charlton Barnsley as many tickets as they can... I was buying my scab tickets at the Mem today. Seems they are only opening half the ground again but this time its the West terrace and stand that will be closed. Expected crowd of 5000. You may not like this competition but isn't about time you started supporting your team and help them to a Wembley Final? Could be the last time they will ever be there and if you have kids who follow the Gas it maybe the only chance they get to see their team play at Wembley. UTG in any competition.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 7, 2019 22:39:34 GMT
I have heard that certain sections have been 'withheld' in case they want more. A forward move from the club !. This will work and the club needs to give Luton Charlton Barnsley as many tickets as they can... I was buying my scab tickets at the Mem today. Seems they are only opening half the ground again but this time its the West terrace and stand that will be closed. Expected crowd of 5000. You may not like this competition but isn't about time you started supporting your team and help them to a Wembley Final? Could be the last time they will ever be there and if you have kids who follow the Gas it maybe the only chance they get to see their team play at Wembley. UTG in any competition.Whilst I sympathise with those who wish to boycott the tournament, I remain sceptical as to the effects. For me, better to play abd beat them and perhaps only going to the games involving first teams is a happy comromise. If I could go, I would.
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Post by mftc on Feb 8, 2019 9:21:18 GMT
How many games have there been since the checkatrade started? Probably around 60. Supporters HAVE boycotted these games.
So have the EFL said they would stop the competition? Answer NO.
The boycotts have not worked.
At the end of the day, if the rich kids pay enough money a reserve team will be in the EFL, irrespective of any boycott.
The only organisation which is affected by fans non attendance v Sunderland is Rovers.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 8, 2019 9:49:27 GMT
Are people now starting to convince themselves there is no harm in this competition with a potential final looming?
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Post by Okebournegas on Feb 8, 2019 10:05:45 GMT
Are people now starting to convince themselves there is no harm in this competition which a potential final looming? That is EXACTLY what is happening ! Absolute joke , when the inevitable happens I hope those that have attended any games don’t have the audacity to whinge about it !
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 8, 2019 10:30:06 GMT
Are people now starting to convince themselves there is no harm in this competition which a potential final looming? That is EXACTLY what is happening ! Absolute joke , when the inevitable happens I hope those that have attended any games don’t have the audacity to whinge about it ! What about the fans who would welcome such an event if it ever happens ?
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Feb 8, 2019 10:48:55 GMT
How many games have there been since the checkatrade started? Probably around 60. Supporters HAVE boycotted these games. So have the EFL said they would stop the competition? Answer NO. The boycotts have not worked. At the end of the day, if the rich kids pay enough money a reserve team will be in the EFL, irrespective of any boycott. The only organisation which is affected by fans non attendance v Sunderland is Rovers. And this attitude is exactly why consumers never make a difference. If you really thought that boycotting for a season or two would do the trick then you are deluded. These things take time, but I can assure you, voting with your feet is the only thing that will make a difference. I am not going to accuse anyone who is attending of being a scab or anything quite so vicious, but I will say that if you do attend these games you absolutely do not appreciate the potential long term damage the introduction of prem reserve teams could have on lower league clubs such as ourselves. It is utter lunacy that this was ever agreed to in the first place, let alone the fact that it continues today.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Feb 8, 2019 10:49:54 GMT
That is EXACTLY what is happening ! Absolute joke , when the inevitable happens I hope those that have attended any games don’t have the audacity to whinge about it ! What about the fans who would welcome such an event if it ever happens ? You would welcome the introduction of Prem reserve teams being entered into our league? if so, then I truly despair.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 8, 2019 10:50:15 GMT
How many games have there been since the checkatrade started? Probably around 60. Supporters HAVE boycotted these games. So have the EFL said they would stop the competition? Answer NO. The boycotts have not worked. At the end of the day, if the rich kids pay enough money a reserve team will be in the EFL, irrespective of any boycott. The only organisation which is affected by fans non attendance v Sunderland is Rovers. And this attitude is exactly why consumers never make a difference. If you really thought that boycotting for a season or two would do the trick then you are deluded. These things take time, but I can assure you, voting with your feet is the only thing that will make a difference. I am not going to accuse anyone who is attending of being a scab or anything quite so vicious, but I will say that if you do attend these games you absolutely do not appreciate the potential long term damage the introduction of prem reserve teams could have on lower league clubs such as ourselves. It is utter lunacy that this was ever agreed to in the first place, let alone the fact that it continues today. Money Talks not feet
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 8, 2019 10:51:43 GMT
What about the fans who would welcome such an event if it ever happens ? You would welcome the introduction of Prem reserve teams being entered into our league? if so, then I truly despair. No I don't, but me not attending MY football teams games is only going to hurt MY football team
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Feb 8, 2019 10:52:56 GMT
And this attitude is exactly why consumers never make a difference. If you really thought that boycotting for a season or two would do the trick then you are deluded. These things take time, but I can assure you, voting with your feet is the only thing that will make a difference. I am not going to accuse anyone who is attending of being a scab or anything quite so vicious, but I will say that if you do attend these games you absolutely do not appreciate the potential long term damage the introduction of prem reserve teams could have on lower league clubs such as ourselves. It is utter lunacy that this was ever agreed to in the first place, let alone the fact that it continues today. Money Talks not feet Correct. Money = Feet Always amazes me that consumers of any type (sporting / retail) etc seem to massively undervalue themselves and the power they ultimately hold. People seem quite happy to go along with the status quo as 'well, what difference could little old me possibly make?!' . Madness.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 8, 2019 11:00:26 GMT
Correct. Money = Feet Always amazes me that consumers of any type (sporting / retail) etc seem to massively undervalue themselves and the power they ultimately hold. People seem quite happy to go along with the status quo as 'well, what difference could little old me possibly make?!' . Madness. So if the premier league offered £1m Per club to allow their B teams to play in our leagues do you think the EFL/Bristol Rovers Owners will say Hold on we don't want to upset Henbury Gas, we must turn it down for the sake of our supporters.... £1m Per season, Per club is NOTHING to the Premier League and EVERYTHING to a small club like ours
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