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Post by Icegas on Apr 13, 2019 21:28:01 GMT
I said this on the match day thread.
One thing is 100% clear, regardless of whether we stay up or not (looks more likely now) apart from maybe 4/5 players complete house hold changes are needed to this squad for new season.
Say we do stay up, yet for some reason keep this same squad we would be down by October- even with JCH, and will finish 15 points adrift at the bottom of the table.
I know when GC took over he said this 2nd half of the season wont be pretty and its was all about staying up - which he was correct about.But there are some very poor L1 players here and giving there all each week doesnt cover that up, as we will be in a worse position then this next season if we keep with the core of this squad.Just facts.
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Post by aghast on Apr 13, 2019 22:01:43 GMT
Not facts. Opinions, yes, but not facts.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 13, 2019 22:07:32 GMT
Tend to agree.
Looking at the squads we’ve had since returning to League 1, this seasons is most definitely the poorest. If we hadn’t been blessed by JCH on the last day of the January transfer window we’d be starring League 2 in the face right now.
Hopefully GC gets a decent budget, and can clear out some deadwood from the squad to build his own team over the summer.
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 13, 2019 22:27:05 GMT
I said this on the match day thread. One thing is 100% clear, regardless of whether we stay up or not (looks more likely now) apart from maybe 4/5 players complete house hold changes are needed to this squad for new season. Say we do stay up, yet for some reason keep this same squad we would be down by October- even with JCH, and will finish 15 points adrift at the bottom of the table. I know when GC took over he said this 2nd half of the season wont be pretty and its was all about staying up - which he was correct about.But there are some very poor L1 players here and giving there all each week doesnt cover that up, as we will be in a worse position then this next season if we keep with the core of this squad.Just facts. My heart might sort of agree... But my head could easily point to the points we have got under GC. If extrapolated over a while season we'd be a bloody decent lge 1 team. Pretty? No. Perfect? Hardly. Erratic? Yes, a bit. Excellent away form? Most definitely. Struggle against the top, top sides? Probably. Pick up regular points? Certainly. Of course, next season won't always follow in the same vein as the second half of the previous season, but this regular knocking of what GC has achieved is a little bizarre. |
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Post by markczgas on Apr 13, 2019 22:28:59 GMT
Tend to agree. Looking at the squads we’ve had since returning to League 1, this seasons is most definitely the poorest. If we hadn’t been blessed by JCH on the last day of the January transfer window we’d be starring League 2 in the face right now. Hopefully GC gets a decent budget, and can clear out some deadwood from the squad to build his own team over the summer. We ain't safe yet. 2 games coming up where you hope we'll get some points but if we lose them then ........it could be nail biting yet. |
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Post by Icegas on Apr 13, 2019 22:44:31 GMT
Not facts. Opinions, yes, but not facts. Im willing to bet 6 months worth of my wages that it would end up being true tho..Ok not facts,but you get my point. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 22:47:03 GMT
With the negative way GC sets us up week-in week-out I can only see us struggling heavily again, unless he manages to work wonders in the window.
And if we somehow still go down, I would absolutely sack him as there is no way that he can lead a promotion charge with his unadventurous tactics.
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 13, 2019 23:07:13 GMT
With the negative way GC sets us up week-in week-out I can only see us struggling heavily again, unless he manages to work wonders in the window. And if we somehow still go down, I would absolutely sack him as there is no way that he can lead a promotion charge with his unadventurous tactics. He said from the start the football would not be pretty this season, as we were in a battle. We don't know how he will set us up next season. We will have to wait and see. He's done wonders to get this much out of this squad. |
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 13, 2019 23:16:35 GMT
With the negative way GC sets us up week-in week-out I can only see us struggling heavily again, unless he manages to work wonders in the window. And if we somehow still go down, I would absolutely sack him as there is no way that he can lead a promotion charge with his unadventurous tactics. Whether you like the football or the so-called system I find it amazing that some people are utterly ignoring the results. No, other teams outside the playoff places are not perfect or so much better than us. No, we haven't been lucky to win / draw games. Football is Dam simple. You hit it in a goal more times than others. That gets you 3 points. |
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Post by Dr Gas on Apr 13, 2019 23:23:08 GMT
Not facts. Opinions, yes, but not facts. Im willing to bet 6 months worth of my wages that it would end up being true tho..Ok not facts,but you get my point. So the fact is: You are not willing to bet 6 month's wages?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 23:24:19 GMT
Disagree with the OP.
I don't think a wholesale clearout is required. By and large, this squad of players is good enough to maintain our League 1 status, provided we tinker slightly by injecting some creativity.
We have a solid enough defence but cannot rely on JCH digging us out of trouble all the time. Others need to chip in with goals, but if nothing's being created...
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 13, 2019 23:30:29 GMT
I remember the bad old days.
Every season everyone would cry for a mass clear out.
In fact, usually during the season fans would get excited at even the prospect that the end of the season was getting closer.
It's a sign of poor management and weak fan analysis if the main preference is simply a clear out.
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Post by Icegas on Apr 13, 2019 23:35:30 GMT
Im willing to bet 6 months worth of my wages that it would end up being true tho..Ok not facts,but you get my point. So the fact is: You are not willing to bet 6 month's wages? Yeah I guess..lol |
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Post by mjhgas on Apr 13, 2019 23:38:43 GMT
We'll be in the same position next year because football is dominated by money.... and we don't have any.
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 13, 2019 23:43:00 GMT
Not facts. Opinions, yes, but not facts. Im willing to bet 6 months worth of my wages that it would end up being true tho..Ok not facts,but you get my point. £14, ooooh you’re hard. |
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Post by Icegas on Apr 13, 2019 23:45:56 GMT
Disagree with the OP. I don't think a wholesale clearout is required. By and large, this squad of players is good enough to maintain our League 1 status, provided we tinker slightly by injecting some creativity. We have a solid enough defence but cannot rely on JCH digging us out of trouble all the time. Others need to chip in with goals, but if nothing's being created... I argee,but is that really all that we should be aiming for as a club?...just to maintain our L1 status? If so you then you are correct.But I dont use the state of the old girl thats called the mem as a reason why we can't grow as a club season after season. The squad we have had this season are where they deserve to be.Now it looks that they won't go down,but they are not good enough as JCH has papered over the gaps in a poor side since January.If not for JCH we would be where Bradford are or below them. We keep the same team even with JCH and we are going down next season. |
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 13, 2019 23:52:14 GMT
Can't agree with the OP on the wholesale changes as that will lead to absolute disaster like we faced with Paul Buckle. Whoever is manager will not get all the signings right and the only way to be successful is to keep the majority of the first eleven or fourteen players and then bring in 8 to 10 new signings that are better than what we have.
With our defensive record this season it is hard to really say that most are not good enough and the same with the defensive aspect of the midfield. Creative players are what we really lack.
Something along the lines of the following IMO is how to move forward and improve both the team and our position.
Goalkeepers - try to sign Bonham as fisrt choice and get in a new second choice. Release Smith and Slocombe
Full backs James Clarke -Keep as cover for all defensive positions. Release Partington and Leadbitter. Sign a new Right back
. Keep Kelly and Holmes -Dennis
Centre backs Keep Lockyer, Craig and Kilgour- Release Mayonese and sign a new tall Physical Centre half.
Wingers Keep Rodman Release Matthews,Bennett, Mensah, Sign two new wide players
Central Midfielders Keep Upson, Ogogo,Ollie Clarke and Sercombe and get in two new Central midfielders both creative- release Chris Lines and Sinclair
Forwards I don't go along with those who say that Clarke Harris won t be here next season but we need to get in two new strikers and therefore will need to release a couple. Unsure on Nichols and Jacubiak (if we could get him maybe worth keeping) Reilly as well not sure about.
Of course much will depend on the budget and this too the OP is not taking into consideration. It is very expensive to release all but 4 or 5 players and the OP seems to forget that you do need a squad of 22 players!! the loan system as it exists now means you have to have a bigger squad and this alone may mean that we have to keep some of the players I have said release and put up with fewer new signings but better quality.
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Post by southmeadgas on Apr 14, 2019 5:10:08 GMT
Not facts. Opinions, yes, but not facts. Disagree that we need wholesale changes at the end of the season. Of course 3 or 4 will need to be released to make way for better quality players to come in, but I think GC will know the type of players required to bring the best out of what we already have. GC's tenure so far has been about picking up points and this has been achieved by playing some players out of position and often at the expense of an entertaining style of football. A few quality signings will allow our better players to play in their natural positions and the team can then be set up to play in a more attacking and entertaining style. GC has been in charge for 21 league games now... 8 wins, 8 draws, 5 defeats. Over 42 games (current stage of the season) that form would have us on 64pts - which is just outside the playoffs. Quality signings over quantity next season and we'll hopefully see another upturn in results and a play-off push. |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Apr 14, 2019 5:41:05 GMT
Yes changes are needed, but if the season started when GC took over, we would be 8th and one point off the play offs after 21 games. You could easily argue that its all because of one player.
Yes its not been all pretty, and there have been frustrations but its not all that bad.
My worry is that with the facilities with have failing to attract lots of players, we will be regularly flirting with relegation and more teams around us over take us off the field.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 14, 2019 7:30:48 GMT
Tend to agree. Looking at the squads we’ve had since returning to League 1, this seasons is most definitely the poorest. If we hadn’t been blessed by JCH on the last day of the January transfer window we’d be starring League 2 in the face right now. Hopefully GC gets a decent budget, and can clear out some deadwood from the squad to build his own team over the summer. We ain't safe yet. 2 games coming up where you hope we'll get some points but if we lose them then ........it could be nail biting yet. Not saying we are, but imagine the points we wouldn’t have just off the games he scored in, we’d be points adrift. |
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