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Post by orgasmic on Apr 22, 2019 17:48:36 GMT
One of the....... sorry just off for a lay down., Did you read the article?
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Post by socrates on Apr 22, 2019 17:52:46 GMT
But even when D.C. was here he played Lines in front of the back four when he hasn't got a tackle in him! Lines is best going forward with defensive midfielders alongside him. He is being released at the end of the season in any case! Therefore we need to move on. Yes lines played as a deep laying midfielder for us in the last four seasons and was brilliant. I don’t see why people can look back on that and say it didn’t work !!? I also don’t see how anyone can say that people pointing out that we’ve missed his creativity and calmness on the ball this season is baffling or hilarious. It’s plain to see in my opinion.
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Post by stapletongas on Apr 22, 2019 17:54:04 GMT
I think we will get out of trouble and if that happens it's arguable GC was the man for the job...that job, keeping us up. I don't have the confidence in him progressing the club and he should have been given a short contract to the end of the season. If we are going to move forward next season it won't happen under GC.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Apr 22, 2019 17:54:58 GMT
One of the....... sorry just off for a lay down., Did you read the article? I haven’t missed a Rovers league game home or away for 6 years. There’s nothing an article on statistics can tell me that I haven’t seen with my very eyes since 2013. There’s no doubting what CL did for the club coming back and the influence all the way up to League 1, but there’s nothing he can add to this side now.
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Post by axegas on Apr 22, 2019 17:58:42 GMT
Did you read the article? I haven’t missed a Rovers league game home or away for 6 years. There’s nothing an article on statistics can tell me that I haven’t seen with my very eyes since 2013. There’s no doubting what CL did for the club coming back and the influence all the way up to League 1, but there’s nothing he can add to this side now. Lines does have his faults, he can overplay it at times and he’s not as young as he once was but ultimately he provides an attacking threat and he cares deeply about this club and that is exactly the attitude you want from your players in a relegation scrap. I saw nothing from Clarke, Upson and Sercombe today that convinced me that Lines doesn’t deserve to be in the team.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 22, 2019 17:59:39 GMT
But even when D.C. was here he played Lines in front of the back four when he hasn't got a tackle in him! Lines is best going forward with defensive midfielders alongside him. He is being released at the end of the season in any case! Therefore we need to move on. Yes lines played as a deep laying midfielder for us in the last four seasons and was brilliant. I don’t see why people can look back on that and say it didn’t work !!? I also don’t see how anyone can say that people pointing out that we’ve missed his creativity and calmness on the ball this season is baffling or hilarious. It’s plain to see in my opinion. But we haven't a clue what's going on in the background with Lines as there must be some reason he can't even be making the match day squad apart from just on ability grounds. What I can't understand is what our CM pairing was supposed to be this season, as OC & Upson doesn't seem to work and Sercs is no CM.
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Post by 31130 on Apr 22, 2019 18:13:36 GMT
Surely Lines is still worthy as an option off the bench though? Yes he isn't a youngster anymore but he has the ability to be able to change a game. If the reason he isn't getting in is purely down to some form of disagreement between him and GC then that is appalling. I thought he and OC were a reasonable pairing together in previous seasons and although times move on and players age I'm sure that he could have done a lot more for us than he has been allowed to.
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Post by orgasmic on Apr 22, 2019 18:15:16 GMT
Did you read the article? I haven’t missed a Rovers league game home or away for 6 years. There’s nothing an article on statistics can tell me that I haven’t seen with my very eyes since 2013. There’s no doubting what CL did for the club coming back and the influence all the way up to League 1, but there’s nothing he can add to this side now. Then you'll have seen what the stats confirm. He makes more passes and runs into dangerous areas than most L1 centre midfielders. I have no great opinion on him but it's clear the current team lacks passes/runs from midfield that create danger thus making us very easy to defend against and giving our strikers little to feed off. I don't think he's a world beater, just think he brings to the team something we clearly lack.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:19:52 GMT
The obsession with Lines is hilarious as it is baffling. He hasn’t had a single decent performance all season, arguably one of our worst players the last 18 months (Blackburn at home aside) If you think he is the answer to our problems, I’m sure glad you don’t pick the side. The last thing we need when we’re up against it is a Hollywood passer of the ball, playing on the toes of Tom Lockyer who ducks and jumps out of challenges like a 6 year old. You won’t see him running games like Steven Gerrard 2005, just because he’s from Filton Ave & has a catchy terrace chant attatched to him. I’ve never had anything against the lad, he’s just far past it now, inevitably off in the summer and Gasheads need to let it go. Radio Bristol callers in particular. He has had a poor season. No-one's arguing that. But then so has Sercombe. So has Nichols. So has Rodman. So at times have Upson, Clarke and a fair few others. And yet, these players are persisted with. Lines remains the only player in the club capable of creativity. None of us know if he's past it or not, but last season he was pretty damn good, so as he's not been given much of a chance this season there's little to suggest that is the case. What is clear is that we're crying out for someone to actually pass the ball, someone to carry the ball, someone to take the ball from our defenders. Lines does these things. No-one else does. It's all well and good Coughlan saying it won't be pretty and fair enough, it seems he's ground out the results to keep us up. He deserves credit for that. But what happens when JCH's worldies dry up and we're still not creating chances from midfield because of our manager's stubborness in refusing to pick creative players? If he doesn't change tack next season, he may be gone by Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:23:44 GMT
May have been a bit harsh, but Ollie was still way off the standard he set for himself on Friday. Defenders weren't too bad, although not sure how much Rochdale really tested them. From a football purist perspective he wasn't amazing or anything but he at least showed aggression and will to win. I was always taught as a kid to work doubly hard if your touch is off - we had loads having an off day but not enough of them rolled their sleeves up today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:27:03 GMT
I haven’t missed a Rovers league game home or away for 6 years. There’s nothing an article on statistics can tell me that I haven’t seen with my very eyes since 2013. There’s no doubting what CL did for the club coming back and the influence all the way up to League 1, but there’s nothing he can add to this side now. Then you'll have seen what the stats confirm. He makes more passes and runs into dangerous areas than most L1 centre midfielders. I have no great opinion on him but it's clear the current team lacks passes/runs from midfield that create danger thus making us very easy to defend against and giving our strikers little to feed off. I don't think he's a world beater, just think he brings to the team something we clearly lack. This alone makes you think at least he would be worth a run out second half. On the subject of quality of ball being played, GC said himself it wouldn’t be pretty. “Manager speaks truth, fans horrified” should be the headline, we will be L1 next season let’s see what financial backing GC gets then judge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:27:05 GMT
Clarke left us with 7central midfield players and Rodman who has been in and out of the team He left us with Nichols; Reilly and Payne up front with Jackubiac not playing because he couldn't score "tap ins" Defensive wise he left us a mixed bag of a one legged left back and a non league right back. time for a clear out Aside from the other wingers you've not mentioned, the fact that the "non league right back" has been one of our best players this season, and the general consensus that the "one legged left back" has real quality, the criticism of Jak not scoring tap ins was pertectly valid. Strikers won't keep scoring worldie goals, so they have to be able to do the bread and butter of the tap in. I quite like him and his direct, pacy style, but it's true that Jak doesn't do tap ins. I'll give you Payne though! Dreadful signing.
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Post by lpgas on Apr 22, 2019 18:27:37 GMT
Lines doesn't tackle and at the moment he is a luxury
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:28:00 GMT
But even when D.C. was here he played Lines in front of the back four when he hasn't got a tackle in him! Lines is best going forward with defensive midfielders alongside him. He is being released at the end of the season in any case! Therefore we need to move on. He wasn't played deep to provide defensive strength - he was there to dictate play in a quarterback type role. Pirlo wasn't a strong defender but played the same position well late in his career. Btw - before we move on we need to stay up.
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Post by orgasmic on Apr 22, 2019 18:30:27 GMT
Lines doesn't tackle and at the moment he is a luxury He does tackle. It's just he's not very good at it! Play him with OC and Upson today with Sercombe free to roam and JCH 1 up top and at least you have some threat in the team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:37:27 GMT
I haven’t missed a Rovers league game home or away for 6 years. There’s nothing an article on statistics can tell me that I haven’t seen with my very eyes since 2013. There’s no doubting what CL did for the club coming back and the influence all the way up to League 1, but there’s nothing he can add to this side now. Then you'll have seen what the stats confirm. He makes more passes and runs into dangerous areas than most L1 centre midfielders. I have no great opinion on him but it's clear the current team lacks passes/runs from midfield that create danger thus making us very easy to defend against and giving our strikers little to feed off. I don't think he's a world beater, just think he brings to the team something we clearly lack. If some don't want to believe the stats (or choose not to take any notice as they've made their minds up on Lines years ago and will never change) then the eyes of Nigel Clough make a better qualified subjective opinion when he described Lines as one of the leagues best midfielders - I think Clough knows a bit about technically gifted players!
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Post by lpgas on Apr 22, 2019 18:39:49 GMT
What I dislike about Rovers at the moment is that the ball spends so much time in the air, and the fact that only a few of them make runs, the rest wait for it to come to them. Lines annoys me with his little "chips" when ha is capable of threading a pass
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:41:34 GMT
Then you'll have seen what the stats confirm. He makes more passes and runs into dangerous areas than most L1 centre midfielders. I have no great opinion on him but it's clear the current team lacks passes/runs from midfield that create danger thus making us very easy to defend against and giving our strikers little to feed off. I don't think he's a world beater, just think he brings to the team something we clearly lack. If some don't want to believe the stats (or choose not to take any notice as they've made their minds up on Lines years ago and will never change) then the eyes of Nigel Clough make a better qualified subjective opinion when he described Lines as one of the leagues best midfielders - I think Clough knows a bit about technically gifted players! That will be the long term worry that GC just doesn’t like technically gifted players and will persist with pragmatism. We will see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:43:26 GMT
What I dislike about Rovers at the moment is that the ball spends so much time in the air, and the fact that only a few of them make runs, the rest wait for it to come to them. Lines annoys me with his little "chips" when ha is capable of threading a pass The ball is in the air far too much, I agree. It's dreadful football to watch. But this is the point. Lines is the ONLY footballer in the club capable of defence splitting passes on a fairly regular basis. Maybe if he'd been played, we'd have picked up more points than we have done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:45:17 GMT
If some don't want to believe the stats (or choose not to take any notice as they've made their minds up on Lines years ago and will never change) then the eyes of Nigel Clough make a better qualified subjective opinion when he described Lines as one of the leagues best midfielders - I think Clough knows a bit about technically gifted players! That will be the long term worry that GC just doesn’t like technically gifted players and will persist with pragmatism. We will see. That's what I fear and predict for next season.
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