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Post by twertonboy on May 2, 2019 17:02:21 GMT
Plus GC hasn’t had nowhere near the praise and love from the fans he should have had... If we lost but played good football “i don’t care it’s all about the results” So he comes in rapidly swings it around to grinding out results but not pleasing on the eye and that’s not good enough? In his first window he brought in our new saviour when Dc was buying mensah... But people still doubt him Everyone moans about linesy saying he’s lost it and a luxury we can’t afford right now and he gets injured and can’t get back in the team and now GC is in the wrong again for not picking him... If we went down i couldn’t see us coming back up again for a long time so I am so grateful for what he’s done and hope he stays
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Post by twertonboy on May 2, 2019 17:08:56 GMT
I personally think our squad needs so much alterations we will be relegation battling all season
No keepers
No defenders apart from thd that can either play to feet or become effective to our game pattern and build our attacks successfully.. With no Ariel presence
No creative midfielders or strong paced wingers
No attacking back up or natural finishers apart from jch
We need a large overhaul of personnel with no money...which means another gamble on loan players
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 17:24:55 GMT
The squad lacks a goalscorer, width and pace. Aside from that, it's fine. Our centre midfield area is strong and I'd argue that actually, in Sinclair, Ogogo, Upson and Clarke the problem isn't a lack of quality, it's just that we have too many of them. I'm hoping that if GC doesn't rate Lines then he makes a playmaker his number one priority, followed by a striker and two wingers. Ideally I'd look at the right back position to compete with James Clarke too. So that's 5 first team players you'd like to bring in? Definitely an indication that the squad is poor. Sinclair isn't a "quality" option, Upson is absolutely atrocious (absolutely totally and utterly atrocious), Ogogo and Clarke are good but very similar players. Play those two at the base and Sercombe as a 10 and that's a very tasty midfield. Still will require options to replace them when needed. Need to replace 2 of our 3 strikers, need another GK, LB, probably 2 RBs, 2 CMs. I'd argue that's 8 new regular first-team players required to come in and make us competitive. It is a poor squad. I think that's harsh on both simclair and Upson. Both are for me as good as Ogogo. No better, no worse. And that's the problem if there is one...a bit of imbalance. Can't see why we would need a left nack either when we have quality in THD and promising back up in Kelly. I'm happy with James Clarke at right back but would like to see some competition there.
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Post by spiess1 on May 2, 2019 17:27:37 GMT
"...with no Ariel presence..." Bit unfair to ask a mermaid to be good in the air?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 2, 2019 17:32:49 GMT
I personally think our squad needs so much alterations we will be relegation battling all season No keepers No defenders apart from thd that can either play to feet or become effective to our game pattern and build our attacks successfully.. With no Ariel presence No creative midfielders or strong paced wingers No attacking back up or natural finishers apart from jch We need a large overhaul of personnel with no money...which means another gamble on loan players How do you know we have no money? How much were Luton's, Doncaster's, Blackpool's & Coventry's wage budgets this season compared to ours? Assuming the likes of Smith, Slocombe, Leads, Parts & Lines leave GC has plenty of money to play with, plus he can hopefully move players who weren't on his bus to free up some of their wages.
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Post by twertonboy on May 2, 2019 17:58:00 GMT
I personally think our squad needs so much alterations we will be relegation battling all season No keepers No defenders apart from thd that can either play to feet or become effective to our game pattern and build our attacks successfully.. With no Ariel presence No creative midfielders or strong paced wingers No attacking back up or natural finishers apart from jch We need a large overhaul of personnel with no money...which means another gamble on loan players How do you know we have no money? How much were Luton's, Doncaster's, Blackpool's & Coventry's wage budgets this season compared to ours? Assuming the likes of Smith, Slocombe, Leads, Parts & Lines leave GC has plenty of money to play with, plus he can hopefully move players who weren't on his bus to free up some of their wages. If you listen to Dc’s Interviews he mentioned a few times the budget is being cut back....and how much do you expect to get for those players realistically?
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Post by Hudson1883 on May 2, 2019 18:03:57 GMT
As has been stated, if Plymouth go down I would expect him to take a job down there. If they stay up, he’ll be with Rovers next season.
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Post by warehamgas on May 2, 2019 18:28:14 GMT
Slightly weird not to deny anything is there given we gave him a three-season contract, no? Yes, I agree with you and it would seem strange to leave a long contract at a league one club for possibly league 2 but maybe with his connections to the club and for personal reasons he doesn’t want to publicly rule himself out and will wait to see if he has a decision to make in the next few weeks. I’m slightly surprised he hasn’t denied it as well given the length of contract he has. But I guess with us secure with no worries he’s waiting to see if the owners will definitely want him here. A bit of a phoney time, silly season. Everyone waiting for everyone else. UTG!
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Post by WeAreTheGas on May 2, 2019 18:48:07 GMT
As has been stated, if Plymouth go down I would expect him to take a job down there. If they stay up, he’ll be with Rovers next season. Why would GC join Plymouth if they were in L2 next season, but not if they stay in L1? I don’t understand that logic.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 2, 2019 18:55:12 GMT
"...with no Ariel presence..." Bit unfair to ask a mermaid to be good in the air? It will all come out in the wash
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Post by romangas on May 2, 2019 19:38:51 GMT
Ollie to pick up the reins if GC goes.GC may be in a deja vu situation with the board , the same one that Darryl was in. Stuck in neutral..UTG.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:46:54 GMT
As has been stated, if Plymouth go down I would expect him to take a job down there. If they stay up, he’ll be with Rovers next season. Why would GC join Plymouth if they were in L2 next season, but not if they stay in L1? I don’t understand that logic. Money, prestige of getting ‘his’ team back in league one, better facilities. Depending on the money it’s probably a very attractive possibility even in league 2. The way I look at it it would suit both parties. We can screw Plymouth for some compo and scout around for a manager with more of a vision and philosophy. Let’s be fair if we can’t do better than GC we want shooting. He’s done well, fair play to him for keeping us up but while I admit I haven’t seen much of us since the Oxford game I get the impression he hasn’t done anything that suggests he has an X-factor about him, that bit of nous that turns games round. He’s defensive, enjoys hitting the big lad up front etc. His main contribution to turning us around seems to have been playing players in the right position which says more about how badly DC got it wrong than GC has got it right. We’ve relied heavily on JCH’s goals too, he was the difference more than the manager it seems to me. So yeah, if he stays then I’ll be interested to see if he can push on to a better level of quality but if he goes he will go with my gratitude for keeping us up and I would hope we could bring in someone who can make better use of our award winning pitch. Sadly we don’t really have footballing people in charge and I expect they will be straight on the phone to Holloway because they won’t have a clue what else to do.
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Post by warehamgas on May 2, 2019 19:50:35 GMT
Good thread this. Classic path of: Potential loss of manager. Who used to manage us? Are they free? The merits of that person returning. What's Brough Fletcher up too? I’d prefer Bert Tann or Bill Dodgin. UTG!
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Post by Hudson1883 on May 2, 2019 20:56:31 GMT
As has been stated, if Plymouth go down I would expect him to take a job down there. If they stay up, he’ll be with Rovers next season. Why would GC join Plymouth if they were in L2 next season, but not if they stay in L1? I don’t understand that logic. Things are generally a bit easier against Morcambe, Crawley & Macclesfield, than Bolton, Ipswich & Co....
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Post by Topper Gas on May 2, 2019 21:06:58 GMT
Why would GC join Plymouth if they were in L2 next season, but not if they stay in L1? I don’t understand that logic. Things are generally a bit easier against Morcambe, Crawley & Macclesfield, than Bolton, Ipswich & Co.... GC's spent most of his playing & managerial career above Div 2, why would he willing take a step backwards when one thing GC seems is a fighter not a quitter.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 2, 2019 21:19:16 GMT
I don't think comparing the number of promotions is fair at all. Two of DC's were from non-league. Two of IH's were into the Premier League. In fact I don't see the point of comparing the two at all. Admittedly I just did, but you started it. So poo. But as a manager, is it harder to get out of the Championship than the National League given what you have to work with? Championship is more tactical and obviously a higher standard of football but the national league is just as competitive with only one automatic place to get out of it. Not trying to talk down Ollie’s sucess, getting promotion to the premier league with Blackpool was a fantastic achievement but I just think he’s lost something in him with his last few appointments. Given who Holloway was managing (Blackpool), yes it is harder and was a much bigger achievement. They weren't expected to get in the prem at all. Yes only 2 teams go up from the conference but we probably had one of the biggest budgets, if not the biggest.
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Post by Hudson1883 on May 2, 2019 21:33:13 GMT
Things are generally a bit easier against Morcambe, Crawley & Macclesfield, than Bolton, Ipswich & Co.... GC's spent most of his playing & managerial career above Div 2, why would he willing take a step backwards when one thing GC seems is a fighter not a quitter. I do hope he stays. I’m just putting it out there, I would not be surprised to see him go to Argyle should they go down. A great chance for him (a much loved ex player) to lead their resurgence back to L1 level.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 22:30:35 GMT
I thought his interview was fine. He said he’s always linked with that job, so nothing to deny. As with Wael, if he has to deny every piece of speculation and rumour that’s all he’d be doing, so best to not give it any credibility.
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Post by warehamgas on May 2, 2019 22:32:48 GMT
Why would GC join Plymouth if they were in L2 next season, but not if they stay in L1? I don’t understand that logic. Money, prestige of getting ‘his’ team back in league one, better facilities. Depending on the money it’s probably a very attractive possibility even in league 2. The way I look at it it would suit both parties. We can screw Plymouth for some compo and scout around for a manager with more of a vision and philosophy. Let’s be fair if we can’t do better than GC we want shooting. He’s done well, fair play to him for keeping us up but while I admit I haven’t seen much of us since the Oxford game I get the impression he hasn’t done anything that suggests he has an X-factor about him, that bit of nous that turns games round. He’s defensive, enjoys hitting the big lad up front etc. His main contribution to turning us around seems to have been playing players in the right position which says more about how badly DC got it wrong than GC has got it right. We’ve relied heavily on JCH’s goals too, he was the difference more than the manager it seems to me. So yeah, if he stays then I’ll be interested to see if he can push on to a better level of quality but if he goes he will go with my gratitude for keeping us up and I would hope we could bring in someone who can make better use of our award winning pitch. Sadly we don’t really have footballing people in charge and I expect they will be straight on the phone to Holloway because they won’t have a clue what else to do. Oh come on 365 some of that stuff is insulting to GC. He has done very well, he’s kept us up and he has turned our season around. I’m not sure I’ve seen a more focussed manager who has stuck to his plan and achieved what he set out to do. He’s been defensive because he’s had to be. And if you think we want shooting if we couldn’t do better than GC that hasn’t worked well in the past has it? When PT went we didn’t do better and went down. When Buckle went we didn’t do better. So it doesn’t mean that we will do better if we get rid. Where you are right and I do agree is that we’ve not seen much evidence of him turning things around within a match by tactical moves. DC was able to do that on many occasions, GC has yet to show he can. Others might have seen that, I haven’t. But in the end this whole thread/conversation seems very cockeyed because I think he has two more years on his contract, having signed a two and a half year one, and consequently he’s under contract and we should just carry on. I’d be very surprised if we would want him to go now. And even more surprised at the negative attitude from fans towards him after what he’s done. But then again this forum is what, 50 fans perhaps a few more who regularly post so it’s not a reflection of attitudes of fans really. UTG!
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Post by daniel300380 on May 2, 2019 22:33:54 GMT
Why would GC join Plymouth if they were in L2 next season, but not if they stay in L1? I don’t understand that logic. Money, prestige of getting ‘his’ team back in league one, better facilities. Depending on the money it’s probably a very attractive possibility even in league 2. The way I look at it it would suit both parties. We can screw Plymouth for some compo and scout around for a manager with more of a vision and philosophy. Let’s be fair if we can’t do better than GC we want shooting. He’s done well, fair play to him for keeping us up but while I admit I haven’t seen much of us since the Oxford game I get the impression he hasn’t done anything that suggests he has an X-factor about him, that bit of nous that turns games round. He’s defensive, enjoys hitting the big lad up front etc. His main contribution to turning us around seems to have been playing players in the right position which says more about how badly DC got it wrong than GC has got it right. We’ve relied heavily on JCH’s goals too, he was the difference more than the manager it seems to me. So yeah, if he stays then I’ll be interested to see if he can push on to a better level of quality but if he goes he will go with my gratitude for keeping us up and I would hope we could bring in someone who can make better use of our award winning pitch. Sadly we don’t really have footballing people in charge and I expect they will be straight on the phone to Holloway because they won’t have a clue what else to do. Thier fans think their budget is lower than ours. Most of their players signed on the cheap from Scotland, or released from other league 1 and 2 clubs. There ground is better, but unless they recently changed thier training ground, it is worse. I think he will only leave, if he thinks his job might be under threat here.
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