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Post by cardiffgas on May 3, 2019 5:37:12 GMT
I praise him in the job he has done but I do worry for next season.
We need so many players and his comment of wanting to bring in big physical style players doesn't fill me with much joy.
I get the feeling well be seeing the league 1 version of Stoke and that isn't a appealing thought.
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Post by socrates on May 3, 2019 6:44:09 GMT
"...with no Ariel presence..." Bit unfair to ask a mermaid to be good in the air? It will all come out in the wash If he plays a team full of mermaids next season I don’t think we’ll have a leg to stand on.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 3, 2019 6:52:01 GMT
I praise him in the job he has done but I do worry for next season. We need so many players and his comment of wanting to bring in big physical style players doesn't fill me with much joy. I get the feeling well be seeing the league 1 version of Stoke and that isn't a appealing thought. GC has to do a job. As part of that he bought in JCH and Ogogo, the former who could be considered one of our best ever signings giving his immediate performance just when we needed it and the fact it kept us up, and the latter who looks so far to be a decent enough player. He also managed to sort out temporarily some of the dead wood like Bennett (who was initially a good signing - not sure what happened there) and Payne Let’s see what his tactics are like once he’s been able to bring in another 6-7 to enhance the squad. And how well he manages with permanently getting those other players off the books.
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Post by neilv93 on May 3, 2019 7:04:42 GMT
I personally think our squad needs so much alterations we will be relegation battling all season
No keepers No defenders apart from thd that can either play to feet or become effective to our game pattern and build our attacks successfully.. With no Ariel presence No creative midfielders or strong paced wingers No attacking back up or natural finishers apart from jch We need a large overhaul of personnel with no money...which means another gamble on loan players Whilst I don't disagree, with this current squad we're eighth (still, I think?) in the metaphorical table since GC took over the reigns. The football is dire, don't get me wrong but if he's currently achieving that level of results, why would we be relegation fodder next season? Genuine question btw. I think we'll struggle too as there's only so much you can get from a squad like this and I think we've reached that point now anyway. Just interesting point to pose.
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 3, 2019 7:36:28 GMT
Hope GC gets tremendous reception on Saturday for turning our season around and keeping us in league 1 . His defensive coaching abilities can not be faulted, and he showed great management skill in getting the best out of what he had at his disposal, each player prepared to do what was required for good of the whole.It is obvious that some did not buy in to his ideas for keeping us up and they will be moved on ,fair enough ,one bad apple and all that let alone 2 or 3. Just as DC needed help to sort out defence ,GC may need help and advice further forward, only top 5 better defensively, only Dons scored less! Leagues are littered with stories of fans not liking style of football, Stoke, Ipswich, getting rid of successful managers and promptly playing there way to relegation,can't make silk purse out of sows ear and all that, so big thanks to GC from me ,hope you hang around and get chance to take us forward, your passion is there for all to see and you deserve it in return from fans, 365 is entitled to his opinion but its the kind of post that will make GC feel he would be more appreciated elsewhere up the Rovers,
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 3, 2019 7:42:29 GMT
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at the lack of respect GC is getting for getting everything right. He said it wouldn't be pretty out of necessity, and he nailed that. He said JCH was required and he absolutely nailed that. He brought in Ogogo, and not such a spectacular success, but he still got that dead right. He had his imaginary table, which some people took the water out of, but clearly it was a ploy to take the pressure off a relegation struggle, so nailed that. He said the ground and training ground and everything was good, some people chose to interpret that as yesmanism, but istm could just have easily been a contrived reaction to DC's disappointed whining, so he nailed that. He nailed everything and people still seem to think he's a simple Irish fuckwit who just got lucky.
Give him some Dam credit you churlish lady gardens.
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Post by pirate on May 3, 2019 7:44:11 GMT
Money, prestige of getting ‘his’ team back in league one, better facilities. Depending on the money it’s probably a very attractive possibility even in league 2. The way I look at it it would suit both parties. We can screw Plymouth for some compo and scout around for a manager with more of a vision and philosophy. Let’s be fair if we can’t do better than GC we want shooting. He’s done well, fair play to him for keeping us up but while I admit I haven’t seen much of us since the Oxford game I get the impression he hasn’t done anything that suggests he has an X-factor about him, that bit of nous that turns games round. He’s defensive, enjoys hitting the big lad up front etc. His main contribution to turning us around seems to have been playing players in the right position which says more about how badly DC got it wrong than GC has got it right. We’ve relied heavily on JCH’s goals too, he was the difference more than the manager it seems to me. So yeah, if he stays then I’ll be interested to see if he can push on to a better level of quality but if he goes he will go with my gratitude for keeping us up and I would hope we could bring in someone who can make better use of our award winning pitch. Sadly we don’t really have footballing people in charge and I expect they will be straight on the phone to Holloway because they won’t have a clue what else to do. Thier fans think their budget is lower than ours. Most of their players signed on the cheap from Scotland, or released from other league 1 and 2 clubs. There ground is better, but unless they recently changed thier training ground, it is worse. I think he will only leave, if he thinks his job might be under threat here. Apart from Stuart O'Keefe (Cardiff), Ashley Smith-Brown (Man City), Conor Grant (Everton), Matt Macey (Arsenal), Tafari Moore (Arsenal), Calum Dyson (Everton) and Oscar Threlkeld (Beveran - Belgium).
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 7:59:35 GMT
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at the lack of respect GC is getting for getting everything right. He said it wouldn't be pretty out of necessity, and he nailed that. He said JCH was required and he absolutely nailed that. He brought in Ogogo, and not such a spectacular success, but he still got that dead right. He had his imaginary table, which some people took the water out of, but clearly it was a ploy to take the pressure off a relegation struggle, so nailed that. He said the ground and training ground and everything was good, some people chose to interpret that as yesmanism, but istm could just have easily been a contrived reaction to DC's disappointed whining, so he nailed that. He nailed everything and people still seem to think he's a simple Irish fuckwit who just got lucky. Give him some f**king credit you churlish lady gardens. I've not seen anyone call him a simple Irish fuckwit. The vast majority on here do respect the job he's done and were fully aware of his "it won't be pretty" comment and are delighted that we avoided relegation. It's hardly like he's getting booed and abused from the terraces is it - there is just concern with the style of football we are likely to see next season, reinforced by his targeting of big quick players but no mention of wanting to add any skilful, creative, playmakers. i don't think we are "churlish lady gardens" for holding this view?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 8:03:49 GMT
I praise him in the job he has done but I do worry for next season. We need so many players and his comment of wanting to bring in big physical style players doesn't fill me with much joy. I get the feeling well be seeing the league 1 version of Stoke and that isn't a appealing thought. GC has to do a job. As part of that he bought in JCH and Ogogo, the former who could be considered one of our best ever signings giving his immediate performance just when we needed it and the fact it kept us up, and the latter who looks so far to be a decent enough player. He also managed to sort out temporarily some of the dead wood like Bennett (who was initially a good signing - not sure what happened there) and Payne Let’s see what his tactics are like once he’s been able to bring in another 6-7 to enhance the squad. And how well he manages with permanently getting those other players off the books. Largely agree with what you say but I think his tactics are not likely to change much next season. I like GC but I'm concerned about the type of players he's planning to bring in, targeting size and pace but no mention of guile, skill, vision etc. I would hope we go for a mixture of both and have a successful season but I guess we'll all have to wait and see.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 3, 2019 8:05:38 GMT
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at the lack of respect GC is getting for getting everything right. He said it wouldn't be pretty out of necessity, and he nailed that. He said JCH was required and he absolutely nailed that. He brought in Ogogo, and not such a spectacular success, but he still got that dead right. He had his imaginary table, which some people took the water out of, but clearly it was a ploy to take the pressure off a relegation struggle, so nailed that. He said the ground and training ground and everything was good, some people chose to interpret that as yesmanism, but istm could just have easily been a contrived reaction to DC's disappointed whining, so he nailed that. He nailed everything and people still seem to think he's a simple Irish fuckwit who just got lucky. Give him some f**king credit you churlish lady gardens. I've not seen anyone call him a simple Irish fuckwit. The vast majority on here do respect the job he's done and were fully aware of his "it won't be pretty" comment and are delighted that we avoided relegation. It's hardly like he's getting booed and abused from the terraces is it - there is just concern with the style of football we are likely to see next season, reinforced by his targeting of big quick players but no mention of wanting to add any skilful, creative, playmakers. i don't think we are "churlish lady gardens" for holding this view? Ah, well.
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Post by Marshy on May 3, 2019 8:08:26 GMT
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at the lack of respect GC is getting for getting everything right. He said it wouldn't be pretty out of necessity, and he nailed that. He said JCH was required and he absolutely nailed that. He brought in Ogogo, and not such a spectacular success, but he still got that dead right. He had his imaginary table, which some people took the water out of, but clearly it was a ploy to take the pressure off a relegation struggle, so nailed that. He said the ground and training ground and everything was good, some people chose to interpret that as yesmanism, but istm could just have easily been a contrived reaction to DC's disappointed whining, so he nailed that. He nailed everything and people still seem to think he's a simple Irish fuckwit who just got lucky. Give him some f**king credit you churlish lady gardens. Stop sitting on the fence Antonio and say what you really mean! Seriously, I couldn’t agree more with the above he certainly deserves a lot more credit than he’s actually getting.
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Post by pirate on May 3, 2019 8:12:39 GMT
Ollie: "You never stop learning in life and one thing I know is that if I do become a football manager again, the club concerned will be taking on a very different person to the character I was when first taking charge of a team. With age I have learned to take a breath and a moment or two longer to react to situations, which I might have responded to in a knee-jerk way as a young manager. I am not as egotistical as I used to be and have a better perspective on life. Before I start sounding geriatric, I will add that I am only 56 and hardly past my sell-by date. Football has been my life and, for all that I have enjoyed commenting on it, a large part of me wants another go at getting involved in the heat of battle. The job has to be right, but basically I am open to offers. Any club wanting to employ me this season would have had to go through Queens Park Rangers because they were still paying up my contract, but that won’t be the case from the end of this month. In short, don’t be surprised if you see Ollie pacing around the dug-out again sometime in the not to distant future." Read More: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/plymouth-argyle-ian-holloway-bristol-2825714
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Post by chewbacca on May 3, 2019 8:15:22 GMT
A fair stance. People get very misty eyed about Ollie, he's been a jobbing manager for 22 years and won 3 promotions. Darrell achieved 4 in 7 years. If he wasn't Ian Holloway no one would be asking after him at all. I'd prefer if GC did leave we actually made a footballing appointment and not an attempt to woo supporters back in with a name. I don't think comparing the number of promotions is fair at all. Two of DC's were from non-league. Two of IH's were into the Premier League. In fact I don't see the point of comparing the two at all. Admittedly I just did, but you started it. So poo. I'm just trying to add colour to the argument Holloway shouldn't return. I've always been of the opinion you shouldn't get rid of a player/manager unless you can replace them with better. Our two most successful managers this century have come unstuck with this. Short term, GC has been better than DC. I question him long term, but that's not going on anything bar a hunch. Is Holloway better than GC? Potentially, but I'd rather someone on their way up. I think if we stick or twist the club needs some stability going forward, it's obvious that this summer is a huge rebuilding job. On the whole Ollie's CV doesn't like much better than Steve Cotterill's, he's had a year out of the game and has been seen as a steady hand. The narrative surrounding both Cotterill and Holloway is completely different and their appointments would have two very different reactions.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on May 3, 2019 8:35:13 GMT
Why would GC join Plymouth if they were in L2 next season, but not if they stay in L1? I don’t understand that logic. Things are generally a bit easier against Morcambe, Crawley & Macclesfield, than Bolton, Ipswich & Co.... I still don’t understand that logic... I’d be astounded if, having scrapped for the last 5 months to keep a team in L1, GC is now relishing the chance to voluntarily drop down a division and test himself at a lower level. I’d find that very bizarre from his POV - but maybe you’re right!
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 3, 2019 9:38:23 GMT
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at the lack of respect GC is getting for getting everything right. He said it wouldn't be pretty out of necessity, and he nailed that. He said JCH was required and he absolutely nailed that. He brought in Ogogo, and not such a spectacular success, but he still got that dead right. He had his imaginary table, which some people took the water out of, but clearly it was a ploy to take the pressure off a relegation struggle, so nailed that. He said the ground and training ground and everything was good, some people chose to interpret that as yesmanism, but istm could just have easily been a contrived reaction to DC's disappointed whining, so he nailed that. He nailed everything and people still seem to think he's a simple Irish fuckwit who just got lucky. Give him some f**king credit you churlish lady gardens. I've not seen anyone call him a simple Irish fuckwit. The vast majority on here do respect the job he's done and were fully aware of his "it won't be pretty" comment and are delighted that we avoided relegation. It's hardly like he's getting booed and abused from the terraces is it - there is just concern with the style of football we are likely to see next season, reinforced by his targeting of big quick players but no mention of wanting to add any skilful, creative, playmakers. i don't think we are "churlish lady gardens" for holding this view? I think GC Knows exactly the type of player we need to progress up the league and its not the type we had under DC Most of the teams we played this season out fought us and a lot quicker than us, so can understand why we need "big quick players"
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Post by axegas on May 3, 2019 9:51:11 GMT
Coughlan is getting no less than the respect he deserves from me. Winning away at places such as Scunthorpe, Gillingham and Walsall is seldom achieved by a Bristol Rovers manager even when we are doing well and the turn around in the amount of points we have collected since the start of the year has been nothing short of remarkable and if that doesn’t deserve us all getting behind him for next season, I don’t know what does. The problem seems to be that many fans only get to see us at home and our performances there on the whole have been pretty woeful but this is a problem Coughlan has inherited, not created himself so the summer will be interesting to see if he can get his own players in, fix these problems and make home supporters much more happier.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:15:41 GMT
Coughlan is getting no less than the respect he deserves from me. Winning away at places such as Scunthorpe, Gillingham and Walsall is seldom achieved by a Bristol Rovers manager even when we are doing well and the turn around in the amount of points we have collected since the start of the year has been nothing short of remarkable and if that doesn’t deserve us all getting behind him for next season, I don’t know what does. The problem seems to be that many fans only get to see us at home and our performances there on the whole have been pretty woeful but this is a problem Coughlan has inherited, not created himself so the summer will be interesting to see if he can get his own players in, fix these problems and make home supporters much more happier. I think the point about home supporters is a really good one. Performances away from home have generally been pretty good and I agree that some will have a distorted view by not seeing these. However, home performances are important as they bring in the fans, increase the feel good etc. I'd argue too that whilst to an extent he did inherit home problems he exacerbated them by refusing to play one player (whether that be Lines, Bennett, etc) who had ability on their day to unlock a defence. Anyway, he achieved what he was appointed for and should be praised for that. Clean slate for next season when I would like to see him get away from the "it won't be pretty" and develop the playing side with some creativity and pace to make us into what we have been for the last four seasons before this one: a side worth watching at home.
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Post by chewbacca on May 3, 2019 10:17:28 GMT
Coughlan is getting no less than the respect he deserves from me. Winning away at places such as Scunthorpe, Gillingham and Walsall is seldom achieved by a Bristol Rovers manager even when we are doing well and the turn around in the amount of points we have collected since the start of the year has been nothing short of remarkable and if that doesn’t deserve us all getting behind him for next season, I don’t know what does. The problem seems to be that many fans only get to see us at home and our performances there on the whole have been pretty woeful but this is a problem Coughlan has inherited, not created himself so the summer will be interesting to see if he can get his own players in, fix these problems and make home supporters much more happier. I think the point about home supporters is a really good one. Performances away from home have generally been pretty good and I agree that some will have a distorted view by not seeing these. However, home performances are important as they bring in the fans, increase the feel good etc. I'd argue too that whilst to an extent he did inherit home problems he exacerbated them by refusing to play one player (whether that be Lines, Bennett, etc) who had ability on their day to unlock a defence. Anyway, he achieved what he was appointed for and should be praised for that. Clean slate for next season when I would like to see him get away from the "it won't be pretty" and develop the playing side with some creativity and pace to make us into what we have been for the last four seasons before this one: a side worth watching at home. A wise man once said to me "What you want from supporting the Rovers is to win most of your home games and have a good couple of away days a season". I'd take that next year.
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Post by endicotton on May 3, 2019 10:19:06 GMT
I'm sure the compensation due to us would be quite high as I think he's got 2 years on the contract the board gave him when he took over. For that reason I doubt they would go for him above other targets, especially when his only first team management experience is half a season with us, however saying that the bookies don't tend to be far wrong too much of the time...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:22:08 GMT
It’s really sad that once we are safe the Senators on this forum creep out of the shadows to stab Caesar in the back or criticise.
Worst season for a long time but the blame for me sits firmly with DC for awful Recruitment. That GC kept us up is incredible even if the brand of football was awful.
Next season will be an absolute bastard as all the under performing Big Clubs are clogging up League One. We will need Coughlans defensive eye next season as we battle again to stay in the League or hold midtable safety at best.
I’m hoping he is here next season albeit his language the other day suggests otherwise potentially.
If he does go I hope we get someone with no previous at the Gas other than the away dug out possibly. Paul Hurst would be my choice after GC.
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