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Post by roosty56 on May 5, 2019 15:42:38 GMT
imo the problem is giving an establish player i.e Harrison Bodin and Taylor an extended contract ,minimum 3 years,then half way through his contract if he wants to leave to enhance his career( like any good pro should do) so let him go if he has his mind elsewhere , but get a genuine value for the player ,but to get around k500 for 3 top players is ludicrous , now another club will get one of our better players for absolutely nothing , JCH is the next one in line for a club to pick up for free, hope we can learn from these lessons
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 5, 2019 15:42:43 GMT
Tom Lockyer- Great player Club Captain ,Over 250 appearances, Welsh international. Question Where would he have been without the backing of all the Managers at Rovers? made a regular player at a young age and fully backed when he went through poor runs of form if he goes on a free as is being suggested then my opinion of him is that he is no better than the Snake. Where is the class of Rickie Lambert who signed a new deal knowing that the club would sell him and make a good amount of money from it? Sorry Tom but if you have allowed your contract to run out then shame on you. What a load of clap trap you have just posted Very WUM like Steve
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Post by stevek192 on May 5, 2019 15:49:56 GMT
"What absolute garbage. We all know you don't like TL from your matchreports but these comments are embarassing. He didn't get selected as an act of charity - he was a model pro, always committed and earned his place on merit. He gave us 8 years and stayed with us when we went out of the league. He's finally putting himself first and has acted in an exemplary manner. This Lambert stuff is urban myth surely? He may have signed a contract but did he know Southampton were coming in for him as that would have personally cost him hundreds of thousands of pounds in fees and wages. Not a chance in hell." quoted eric. eric, Firstly I do like Tom Lockyer and rate him and am damn annoyed to be losing him on a free. However in answer to your points loyalty goes both ways. Lets be honest when we went out of the league there were hardly a queue of clubs wanting to sign our players and our defenders in that season had hardly set the world alight. There have been many times during the eight years where many have questioned Toms selection but the Managers have stood by him. I would agree that Tom deserves a chance at Championship football but firmly believe that the Captain of our club should have some loyalty towards us and ensure that we ,as a club, receive financial reward from any transfer. many players have signed contracts with the knowledge that the club will not stand in the players way if a good offer comes in. I am sure Lambert was in this position. I would add also as regards your comment that if I did not like Tom Lockyer then I would be the last to be complaining about him leaving.. I report as I see the player in each game so it is not the same as giving an opinion of a player overall. it is going to vary from week to week. I think it will be very interesting to see how Tom does in the Championship because in most teams at that level passing ability from the back is very important and I would say that is Toms weakness and has not really improved much over his years with us. I am fully aware that there is very little loyalty in the game these days and consider myself very lucky that I was able to watch Harold Jarman for pretty much his whole career when there was such a thing as loyalty to their club. money and Sky Sports has destroyed our sport from the highest level but more so for teams below the Championship.
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Post by Gassy on May 5, 2019 16:05:00 GMT
Pretty sure Lambert confirmed he already knew of the Saints interest when I signed.
I could be wrong though
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Post by pirate49 on May 5, 2019 16:10:34 GMT
Pretty sure Lambert confirmed he already knew of the Saints interest when I signed. I could be wrong though It's not only a matter of the player knowing other clubs may be interested. It's also a matter of the board realising they have an asset and therefore working hard to agree a contract which allows the player to 'listen to offers' should they arise. This may have happened in this case....or maybe not...........
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Post by markczgas on May 5, 2019 16:14:32 GMT
They all seem to do better business than us, but in reality they really don't. Agree to disagree. Other clubs sell top goal scorers for 500k, 1m +.. our go to our local rivals for a steal at 300k. Harrison went to Ipswich for 1 million with add-ons, didn't he ?
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Post by markczgas on May 5, 2019 16:19:30 GMT
I also think he could've signed a contract (even a yearly one) with a clause in it - where if a club reached Rovers valuation (e.g 300 K ) he could then talk to said club. This happens a lot doesn't it ?
As things stand. He wants to leave, doesn't have a new club BUT we get sod all for the development of what is still a pretty young player.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:34:11 GMT
Jesus, how you and others just don’t grasp the basics of this deal is beyond me. The only reason Taylor was prepared to sign another contract was if we inserted the 300k release clause. Without it he would not have signed, he would have gone for nothing and we would have missed out on 5 months of goals. What part art of this do you not understand?? Why couldn't Lockyer sign a contract with a release clause? At least we got something for the snake. You give the impression you think it is acceptable players leave for free. We obviously have different expectations, I want Rovers to make money from selling players where possible. No matter who it is, how loyal the player has been, TL is 24 year who is the club captain and international the fact he is leaving for free is a joke. The fact you can't see that is mind numbing. He could if he wanted to but depending on the level of the clause it would affect his own personal income/signing on fee so why would he want to do that? He doesn't owe the club anything. Perhaps he feels he's given the club eight good years and it's time to look after himself? If the club had matched his ambitions he would perhaps have stayed longer. Why would this 24 year old lad lose out to make money for our multi millionaire Jordanian owners Of course it is acceptable for a player to leave for free. Do you think we should go back to pre Bosman days where a club could just hold a players registration and refuse to release them even when they've served their contract? The current system has its failings but the old system was little more than slavery. Nobody thinks losing our best player without a fee is a joke but it's the rules ALL clubs have to operate within and its mind numbing that you can't understand the system and how it can work in favour of the club on some occasions and against the club on others.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 5, 2019 16:39:34 GMT
There are a lot of ungrateful posters on here against a player who has given 8 years of their football life to the Gas
I for one will wish him the very best in his future football life and would welcome him back every time he visits us at the Mem or our New stadium in a few years
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:39:44 GMT
Why couldn't Lockyer sign a contract with a release clause? At least we got something for the snake. You give the impression you think it is acceptable players leave for free. We obviously have different expectations, I want Rovers to make money from selling players where possible. No matter who it is, how loyal the player has been, TL is 24 year who is the club captain and international the fact he is leaving for free is a joke. The fact you can't see that is mind numbing. He could if he wanted to but depending on the level of the clause it would affect his own personal income/signing on fee so why would he want to do that? He doesn't owe the club anything. Perhaps he feels he's given the club eight good years and it's time to look after himself? If the club had matched his ambitions he would perhaps have stayed longer. Why would this 24 year old lad lose out to make money for our multi millionaire Jordanian owners Of course it is acceptable for a player to leave for free. Do you think we should go back to pre Bosman days where a club could just hold a players registration and refuse to release them even when they've served their contract? The current system has its failings but the old system was little more than slavery. Nobody thinks losing our best player without a fee is a joke but it's the rules ALL clubs have to operate within and its mind numbing that you can't understand the system and how it can work in favour of the club on some occasions and against the club on others. What about brexit if it happens will the Bosman ruling still stand?
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 5, 2019 16:41:00 GMT
He could if he wanted to but depending on the level of the clause it would affect his own personal income/signing on fee so why would he want to do that? He doesn't owe the club anything. Perhaps he feels he's given the club eight good years and it's time to look after himself? If the club had matched his ambitions he would perhaps have stayed longer. Why would this 24 year old lad lose out to make money for our multi millionaire Jordanian owners Of course it is acceptable for a player to leave for free. Do you think we should go back to pre Bosman days where a club could just hold a players registration and refuse to release them even when they've served their contract? The current system has its failings but the old system was little more than slavery. Nobody thinks losing our best player without a fee is a joke but it's the rules ALL clubs have to operate within and its mind numbing that you can't understand the system and how it can work in favour of the club on some occasions and against the club on others. What about brexit if it happens will the Bosman ruling still stand? it will also stop free movement of players around Europe as well
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:43:03 GMT
There are a lot of ungrateful posters on here against a player who has given 8 years of their football life to the Gas I for one will wish him the very best in his future football life and would welcome him back every time he visits us at the Mem or our New stadium in a few years Me too
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:45:04 GMT
I also think he could've signed a contract (even a yearly one) with a clause in it - where if a club reached Rovers valuation (e.g 300 K ) he could then talk to said club. This happens a lot doesn't it ? As things stand. He wants to leave, doesn't have a new club BUT we get sod all for the development of what is still a pretty young player. A potential transfer will only carry a total pot of transfer fee, signing on fee, wages for duration of contract etc. Anything allocated to transfer fee if he signed an extended deal would eat into his future earnings and/or signing on fee. Players at this level are not millionaires and their careers could end overnight. Why shouldn't he look after himself? Dwane Sports would have dropped him like a stone if he'd got injured or totally lost form.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:51:36 GMT
He wants to move on good luck to him. As for giving us eight years, i would say he benefited from the first four years, being trained and coached to become the player he is, it wasn't all one way.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:55:40 GMT
"What absolute garbage. We all know you don't like TL from your matchreports but these comments are embarassing. He didn't get selected as an act of charity - he was a model pro, always committed and earned his place on merit. He gave us 8 years and stayed with us when we went out of the league. He's finally putting himself first and has acted in an exemplary manner. This Lambert stuff is urban myth surely? He may have signed a contract but did he know Southampton were coming in for him as that would have personally cost him hundreds of thousands of pounds in fees and wages. Not a chance in hell." quoted eric. eric, Firstly I do like Tom Lockyer and rate him and am damn annoyed to be losing him on a free. However in answer to your points loyalty goes both ways. Lets be honest when we went out of the league there were hardly a queue of clubs wanting to sign our players and our defenders in that season had hardly set the world alight. There have been many times during the eight years where many have questioned Toms selection but the Managers have stood by him. I would agree that Tom deserves a chance at Championship football but firmly believe that the Captain of our club should have some loyalty towards us and ensure that we ,as a club, receive financial reward from any transfer. many players have signed contracts with the knowledge that the club will not stand in the players way if a good offer comes in. I am sure Lambert was in this position. I would add also as regards your comment that if I did not like Tom Lockyer then I would be the last to be complaining about him leaving.. I report as I see the player in each game so it is not the same as giving an opinion of a player overall. it is going to vary from week to week. I think it will be very interesting to see how Tom does in the Championship because in most teams at that level passing ability from the back is very important and I would say that is Toms weakness and has not really improved much over his years with us. I am fully aware that there is very little loyalty in the game these days and consider myself very lucky that I was able to watch Harold Jarman for pretty much his whole career when there was such a thing as loyalty to their club. money and Sky Sports has destroyed our sport from the highest level but more so for teams below the Championship. Any "reward" to the club would be to the direct detriment to himself. Why shouldn't he use the laws of football to his advantage and seek some financial security which letting his contract expire will enable. A player seeks to leave mid contract and its "there's no loyalty in football these days" but when a player sees out a contract in full he is still not loyal! Let's not forget loyalty works both ways. I don't think players left off the retained list, development players getting released or youngsters not getting given a contract will think much of loyalty in football when they are thrown on the scrap heap. Getting misty eyed about an era 50 years ago you'd think everything was perfect in football back then. Where was football's loyalty to the Captain of our 66 World Cup winners? How many players from that era have sold medals to pay for knee replacements etc.?it's no wonder a few players back then resorted to match fixing! footballers are no different to employees in any industry. They look out for themselves and why shouldn't they. It's a short career that can be over quick as a flash.
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Post by romangas on May 5, 2019 16:58:11 GMT
Am not a Lockenbauer fan. Welsh international bench warmer. He is like marmite on this forum. If this young man had potential he would have been snapped up years ago. He has remained a biggish fish in a small pond. If you are going Tom, good luck. UTG...the glorious gas.
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Post by rusho'gas on May 5, 2019 16:58:47 GMT
Thank you Tom for 8 years loyal service. Can recall the Blackpool away trip of two seasons ago when he came onto the terrace and joined in the singing.
Just don't sign for the sh**........can you imagine the melt down?
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Post by socrates on May 5, 2019 17:02:01 GMT
Tom Lockyer- Great player Club Captain ,Over 250 appearances, Welsh international. Question Where would he have been without the backing of all the Managers at Rovers? made a regular player at a young age and fully backed when he went through poor runs of form if he goes on a free as is being suggested then my opinion of him is that he is no better than the Snake.Where is the class of Rickie Lambert who signed a new deal knowing that the club would sell him and make a good amount of money from it? Sorry Tom but if you have allowed your contract to run out then shame on you. Steve, have you been on the sauce all morning? You're seriously, seriously suggesting Lockyer is no better than the guy that joined our fiercest rivals? Genuinely? I don’t blame Taylor or Lockyer. They’re both professional footballers looking after their best interests. Leaving Us for our local rivals was neither here nor there for Taylor , why should it be ? He’s not from Bristol , he’s not a gashead like we are and never was. He saw the opportunity to earn 3-4 times as much and stay in the area and he took it. No different to Lockyer leaving now or lee Brown last season etc. What watered me off sbout the Taylor signing was that it was pretty clear at the time they bought him to stop us winning promotion because lansdown lives in fear of his “ nobody will be talking about Bristol Rovers” quote years ago coming back to make him look stupid. Judging by how much they’ve used him is shows we were right. That’s football capalitism for you. No different than Man City Chelsea etc buying up all the talent even though they hardly play them to stop other teams having them just in case they turn out to be a world beater, just a local case of that from our point of view.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 17:11:41 GMT
Game of opinion lads, no one is right or wrong (except Henbury gas for the latter 😉). Players have to do the best thing for them at the end of the day, no one owes anyone anything. Rovers need to get in the game though, an utter shambles of an organisation, been on it's knees for too long now.
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Post by socrates on May 5, 2019 17:16:33 GMT
Game of opinion lads, no one is right or wrong (except Henbury gas for the latter 😉). Players have to do the best thing for them at the end of the day, no one owes anyone anything. Rovers need to get in the game though, an utter shambles of an organisation, been on it's knees for too long now. That I agree with.
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