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Post by gasheadbatesy on May 5, 2019 9:31:05 GMT
Leeds shouldnt have let who ever they were playing last week walk the ball in to there net. What happened at the Plymouth game yesterday was disgusting. Blatant cheating. Got what they deserve for that. Cheating A holes.
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Post by stigofthegas on May 5, 2019 9:34:12 GMT
That in my eyes is straight-forward cheating.
If it happened against us I would be livid. I would be embarrassed if we did it.
I blame the ref though. As soon as the ball was stopped from going out he should have blown and stopped play.
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Post by Gas-Ed on May 5, 2019 9:48:37 GMT
That in my eyes is straight-forward cheating. If it happened against us I would be livid. I would be embarrassed if we did it. I blame the ref though. As soon as the ball was stopped from going out he should have blown and stopped play. The trouble is, referees have to abide by the letter of the law. There was no basis for him to blow the whistle. No foul had been committed and it wasn’t a serious or potentially serious injury. The blame lies solely on the Scunthorpe player for reading the situation and disregarding the unwritten laws of fair play and etiquette. If the referee had blow the whistle as the scunny player had taken the shot and the ball had gone in, I’m sure there would be questions to answer. Macey should have gone down and held onto the ball or rolled it out for a corner if he was too injured to get the ball to the sideline.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 5, 2019 9:52:37 GMT
That in my eyes is straight-forward cheating. If it happened against us I would be livid. I would be embarrassed if we did it. I blame the ref though. As soon as the ball was stopped from going out he should have blown and stopped play. Yeah, the guidelines say: Play is allowed to continue until the ball is out of play if a player is, in their opinion, only slightly injured Play is stopped if, in their opinion, a player is seriously injured or receives a head injury arguably, as soon as Macey rolls the ball away, the ref would 'know' that he is therefore seriously injured, and stop play. The guidelines seem vague enough to allow for almost any interpretation.
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Post by stigofthegas on May 5, 2019 9:58:56 GMT
That in my eyes is straight-forward cheating. If it happened against us I would be livid. I would be embarrassed if we did it. I blame the ref though. As soon as the ball was stopped from going out he should have blown and stopped play. The trouble is, referees have to abide by the letter of the law. There was no basis for him to blow the whistle. No foul had been committed and it wasn’t a serious or potentially serious injury. The blame lies solely on the Scunthorpe player for reading the situation and disregarding the unwritten laws of fair play and etiquette. If the referee had blow the whistle as the scunny player had taken the shot and the ball had gone in, I’m sure there would be questions to answer. Macey should have gone down and held onto the ball or rolled it out for a corner if he was too injured to get the ball to the sideline. That for me is a big problem today. The refs are so worried about strictly following the rules they have lost sight of right and wrong. I would have blown and said it was unsportsmanlike behaviour which trumps everything. Rules over sportsmanship? Never for me!!
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 5, 2019 10:05:13 GMT
If its the difference between staying up and getting relegated sportmanship will come 2nd every time for me.
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Post by stigofthegas on May 5, 2019 10:07:36 GMT
If its the difference between staying up and getting relegated sportmanship will come 2nd every time for me. I get that. That’s why I didn’t blame the Scunthorpe lad. I blamed the ref as it’s his job to ensure fairness and he didn’t do it.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 5, 2019 10:13:52 GMT
If its the difference between staying up and getting relegated sportmanship will come 2nd every time for me. I get that. That’s why I didn’t blame the Scunthorpe lad. I blamed the ref as it’s his job to ensure fairness and he didn’t do it. Ref's hands were tied, the ball was in play so he couldn't do anything as no offence was committed. I have to admit when I first saw it I thought it was just a poor throw from Macey, maybe Morris did as well.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 5, 2019 10:38:21 GMT
I remember something similar happening to us away to Notts County in late 90s. Ollie (our manager at the time) lost it in a Bristol tirade to the media because that goal actually changed the result. I think we lost the match, can't quite remember. So the answer to op is, to not be hypocritical,I would hope we would be fair and sporting enough to recognise it would be wrong and not in the spirit of fair play. IMO the notts county incident was worse. We had played the ball out and they didn't pass it back. Lots of teams play on, when a player is injured. Not seen many teams not give the ball back, after its been played out though. Ah, this incident is referred to in a thread below
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Post by oldgas on May 5, 2019 12:16:41 GMT
If its the difference between staying up and getting relegated sportmanship will come 2nd every time for me. As far as I'm concerned that Scunny goal is Karma for the cheating penalty Plymouth got against us last season. That twat Adams knew it was a con and he compounded matters by sarcastically waving to the Gas fans at he end. The only thing that would have delighted me even more would have been for that goal to seal their relegation, and for Adams to still be their manager.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 5, 2019 12:19:13 GMT
If its the difference between staying up and getting relegated sportmanship will come 2nd every time for me. As far as I'm concerned that Scunny goal is Karma for the cheating penalty Plymouth got against us last season. That twat Adams knew it was a con and he compounded matters by sarcastically waving to the Gas fans at he end. The only thing that would have delighted me even more would have been for that goal to seal their relegation, and for Adams to still be their manager.Nail on the head there. Them sacking Adams made me care a lot less about their relegation in the end. Still prefer the away trip to Plymouth than Southend though...
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Post by landrover on May 5, 2019 12:25:50 GMT
Just got off the phone to my Plymouth supporting friend. His view, and he was at that end, was that Macey appeared to fall awkwardly. He tried to draw attention to the ref that he needed to put the ball out of play. He couldn’t kick it and couldn’t throw it with any pace. So, as the video shows, decided to roll it out. He went on to say that earlier on Morris had dived(he is as Argyle fan after all) in the penalty area at the other end and laid prostrate whilst play carried on. After a bit of physio he miraculously sprang into action. Plymouth carried on playing but he can’t remember Scunthorpe kicking up a stink about it. Then Macey was carried off which kind of confirmed his injury. The ref had no choice but to award the goal but then it gets interesting. Scunnys caretaker manager, Andy Dawson, was expected to allow Plymouth to score. He’d had 5 minutes to decide! That he chose to ignore the crowds expectations and was on the end of torrents of abuse, as were their players, seemed to confirm the morality of his decision. The Scunthorpe chairman has since apologised for what went on. Reading what he said, i hope Dawson wasn’t pinning his hopes on the job too much.
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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2019 12:36:08 GMT
Apparently when Morris the player who scored the goal was injured during the first half, Plymouth refused to kick the ball out and played on. Macey didn't look that injured and if he was he should have went down with the ball. The ref would have stopped the game then anyway. Or made sure he found touch, with the ball. So he's at fault really. Scunthorpe just did what Plymouth did. Well he must have been seriously injured because he went off. In such a vital match to waste one of your subs on a keeper tells me it was a serious injury. I’m surprised so many on here arent as outraged as I would have imagined. Is it because it’s Argyle and being our nearest western rival we’re pleased they’ve gone down or is it the Adams’ thing? Imo it’s an awful thing to do from Scunthorpe, as most know I’m not into this hatred stuff for other clubs but Morris’s actions were shameful. It was an obvious injury and far from it being not decisive at 2-0 up with another two goals needed I think it was very decisive and took the wind out of Argyle’s sails. And the acid test for me is what would I have felt if that had happened to us and I would have been fuming and reading the periodic stuff on here about why we dislike Notts County after 20 odd years about what they did I would know it would last long in the memory! UTG!
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Post by oldgas on May 5, 2019 12:36:47 GMT
As far as I'm concerned that Scunny goal is Karma for the cheating penalty Plymouth got against us last season. That twat Adams knew it was a con and he compounded matters by sarcastically waving to the Gas fans at he end. The only thing that would have delighted me even more would have been for that goal to seal their relegation, and for Adams to still be their manager.Nail on the head there. Them sacking Adams made me care a lot less about their relegation in the end. Still prefer the away trip to Plymouth than Southend though... Yeah I know what you mean, I always enjoy the trip to Plymouth. Hopefully Adams will get a league 1 job and we can carry on the hate!
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 5, 2019 12:38:09 GMT
Nail on the head there. Them sacking Adams made me care a lot less about their relegation in the end. Still prefer the away trip to Plymouth than Southend though... Yeah I know what you mean, I always enjoy the trip to Plymouth. Hopefully Adams will get a league 1 job and we can carry on the hate! Yep just hope it aint with us!!
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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2019 12:41:22 GMT
That in my eyes is straight-forward cheating. If it happened against us I would be livid. I would be embarrassed if we did it. I blame the ref though. As soon as the ball was stopped from going out he should have blown and stopped play. Agree, straightforward cheating. Nothing to do with the referee, don’t blame him. If players can’t recognise cheating then the whole game is spoiled. There has to be responsibility from the players. Perhaps I’m living in cloud cuckoo land hoping for that! 🤔 UTG!
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 5, 2019 12:49:37 GMT
At the time of the Leeds incident I said that it was a bit of a fuss over nothing.
This is a whole different kettle of fish though with it being the injured party trying to ‘kick’ the ball out. It’s disgraceful sportsmanship but you can’t legislate that sort of thing.
It should be completely at the referees discretion to stop play but if play stops for an injury there shouldn’t be a cursory waltz off the pitch only to come back on as soon as play resumes.
Would be interested to see what the commentator who thought the Leeds incident was the worst thing he’d ever seen in football thinks of this. His head would blow off.
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Post by oldgas on May 5, 2019 14:00:56 GMT
Apparently when Morris the player who scored the goal was injured during the first half, Plymouth refused to kick the ball out and played on. Macey didn't look that injured and if he was he should have went down with the ball. The ref would have stopped the game then anyway. Or made sure he found touch, with the ball. So he's at fault really. Scunthorpe just did what Plymouth did. Well he must have been seriously injured because he went off. In such a vital match to waste one of your subs on a keeper tells me it was a serious injury. I’m surprised so many on here arent as outraged as I would have imagined. Is it because it’s Argyle and being our nearest western rival we’re pleased they’ve gone down or is it the Adams’ thing? Imo it’s an awful thing to do from Scunthorpe, as most know I’m not into this hatred stuff for other clubs but Morris’s actions were shameful. It was an obvious injury and far from it being not decisive at 2-0 up with another two goals needed I think it was very decisive and took the wind out of Argyle’s sails. And the acid test for me is what would I have felt if that had happened to us and I would have been fuming and reading the periodic stuff on here about why we dislike Notts County after 20 odd years about what they did I would know it would last long in the memory! UTG! That's all very well, but do you think Argyle fans were outraged on our behalf when County cheated us? Would you be outraged if it happened to City?
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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2019 14:14:25 GMT
No, oldgas, you are right, I wouldn’t expect others to be outraged if it happened against us. But that’s part of my point, if it did happen to us I would be because it is wrong. Simple. And because it is wrong against us, it is equally wrong when it happens to others. My view, I guess, is about something being right or wrong and trying to take the tribal nature of football out of the argument. Perhaps I should know better! Just thankful it was all happening to others yesterday and we were basking in mid-Table mediocrity.😀 UTG!
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 5, 2019 14:23:59 GMT
Absolute no brainer, Plymouth should have been allowed free 'goal' would not want Rovers to stay up by scoring that goal!
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