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Post by rusho'gas on May 5, 2019 15:10:44 GMT
Argyle have gone down on the results during the season. Losing 5-1 at Accrington was their death knell not a dodgy bit of un-sportsman like conduct by Scunthorpe. Both teams went down, karma was served.
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Post by Jomo on May 5, 2019 15:29:58 GMT
Apparently when Morris the player who scored the goal was injured during the first half, Plymouth refused to kick the ball out and played on. Macey didn't look that injured and if he was he should have went down with the ball. The ref would have stopped the game then anyway. Or made sure he found touch, with the ball. So he's at fault really. Scunthorpe just did what Plymouth did. Well he must have been seriously injured because he went off. In such a vital match to waste one of your subs on a keeper tells me it was a serious injury. I’m surprised so many on here arent as outraged as I would have imagined. Is it because it’s Argyle and being our nearest western rival we’re pleased they’ve gone down or is it the Adams’ thing? Imo it’s an awful thing to do from Scunthorpe, as most know I’m not into this hatred stuff for other clubs but Morris’s actions were shameful. It was an obvious injury and far from it being not decisive at 2-0 up with another two goals needed I think it was very decisive and took the wind out of Argyle’s sails. And the acid test for me is what would I have felt if that had happened to us and I would have been fuming and reading the periodic stuff on here about why we dislike Notts County after 20 odd years about what they did I would know it would last long in the memory! UTG! Seems to me that a lot of people only take note of the morality in something if it actually suits them. Rules are rules, so I can see that point of view, but sportsmanship, honour and right and wrong, are important values to have in my view. Scunthorpe yesterday deliberately prevented the ball from leaving play in order to stitch Argyle up. That's a bit different to Plymouth mistakenly passing it straight to them. Also all this talk of "karma", really? Hell hath no fury like a football supporter scorned I guess? Personally I see that as rather pathetic. Fair play to Southend for beating Sunderland though, and you can't argue that the 4 teams who went down deserved to be relegated because over 46 games they simply weren't good enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 15:31:25 GMT
Most teams are unsporting like time wasting,diving etc we stayed up so who gives a shlt about the rest. Can’t wait for our relagation battle next season UTG
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Post by daniel300380 on May 5, 2019 15:31:30 GMT
Apparently when Morris the player who scored the goal was injured during the first half, Plymouth refused to kick the ball out and played on. Macey didn't look that injured and if he was he should have went down with the ball. The ref would have stopped the game then anyway. Or made sure he found touch, with the ball. So he's at fault really. Scunthorpe just did what Plymouth did. Well he must have been seriously injured because he went off. In such a vital match to waste one of your subs on a keeper tells me it was a serious injury. I’m surprised so many on here arent as outraged as I would have imagined. Is it because it’s Argyle and being our nearest western rival we’re pleased they’ve gone down or is it the Adams’ thing? Imo it’s an awful thing to do from Scunthorpe, as most know I’m not into this hatred stuff for other clubs but Morris’s actions were shameful. It was an obvious injury and far from it being not decisive at 2-0 up with another two goals needed I think it was very decisive and took the wind out of Argyle’s sails. And the acid test for me is what would I have felt if that had happened to us and I would have been fuming and reading the periodic stuff on here about why we dislike Notts County after 20 odd years about what they did I would know it would last long in the memory! UTG! He tried to save the shot and jumped. He could have went down with the ball and was still ok to throw it out. He did it when he kicked the ball away previously, but the game carried on with both teams having the ball. Plymouth fan I was with today blamed the keeper. I admit of our was rover's I would have watered still lol. But most teams carry on, when player's are down.
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Post by lmgas on May 5, 2019 15:33:29 GMT
In the modern game players aren't sporting, unfortunately. They are pretty much all time wasting, faking injuries, seeking to con the ref and tactically stopping the game when there side are under threat.
In this environment you have to think the worst of your opponent, Macey should have held on to it. It is a bit different with goalkeepers, this would have given the ref chance to deal with it. (Alternatively why were none of his team mates there to clear it for him?)
Generally I don't like the ref stopping the game and I don't like the players putting it out as 99% of the time it's time wasting or tactical. The players only have themselves to blame.
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Post by yategasman on May 5, 2019 15:40:40 GMT
Gutted,! Gonna miss the away fixture next season always a good crack in Plymouth☹️
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Post by aghast on May 5, 2019 17:17:46 GMT
Absolute no brainer, Plymouth should have been allowed free 'goal' would not want Rovers to stay up by scoring that goal! Hmmm. In the heat of the moment, with relegation at stake, I doubt if he was thinking about much except winning the game. It's not right, it's not fair and it's not sporting, but it's not illegal. Who can honestly say they wouldn't commit the same sporting moral crime under that pressure? And I bet if a goal like that had kept us up this season, we'd have just looked a bit shifty-eyed and guilty and rather quiet about the whole incident.
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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2019 20:05:36 GMT
The Scunthorpe Chairman hasn’t mixed words about what he thought of his team. I can’t do copying things from other places. But it’s on the BBC website and he’s not happy with what the player did nor the acting manager who he feels should have sorted it out. UTG!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 5, 2019 20:09:17 GMT
Argyle have gone down on the results during the season. Losing 5-1 at Accrington was their death knell not a dodgy bit of un-sportsman like conduct by Scunthorpe. Both teams went down, karma was served. At the beginning of April Plymouth were 10 goals better off than Wimbledon (and above us).
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 5, 2019 20:10:09 GMT
The Scunthorpe Chairman hasn’t mixed words about what he thought of his team. I can’t do copying things from other places. But it’s on the BBC website and he’s not happy with what the player did nor the acting manager who he feels should have sorted it out. UTG! Scunthorpe chairman Peter Swann has apologised for his team scoring while Plymouth's goalkeeper was down injured during Saturday's League One game. Matt Macey tried to throw the ball out so he could receive treatment, but Josh Morris managed to keep it in play and subsequently chipped him to equalise. Plymouth won the match, but the result saw both relegated to the fourth tier. "I apologise wholeheartedly to everyone who's seen what's happened there," Swann told BBC Radio Humberside. "That's not in the spirit of the game." The incident led to heated scenes at Home Park, with the goal levelling the game at 2-2 after Scunthorpe had been 2-0 down. Argyle went on to win 3-2, but Southend United's win over play-off-bound Sunderland meant the result was irrelevant. Swann said his team should have followed the example of Leeds United, who allowed Aston Villa to walk in a goal last weekend after scoring a controversial goal when it looked as though the ball was going to go out for an injured player. "We've had time to look back on it," continued Swann, who did not let his caretaker manager Andy Dawson or any players speak to the media after the game. "If Josh has picked the ball up and put it in the back of the net, the managers and everybody, the captain, they've all had the opportunity to stand there and sort out something. "That's not the way I've run a football club and it's not the way I've come into football, so I'm really disappointed about it. "I'm not putting the players or the manager up for interview because it's all going to be taken up over something which we need to deal with within the club. "It was a spirited game where we should be talking about the football and the result and the fact that we've gone down fighting, but it's all going to be overshadowed, isn't it?" Plymouth Argyle caretaker manager Kevin Nancekivell would not comment on the incident, other than to say he was "very proud of the boys and the way they reacted from the situation". Argyle's Twitter feed described the goal as "The most unsporting goal in Home Park history" - something Swann agreed with. "When your club's being attacked like that because of a decision that we made, you sit there and you don't feel very proud of the club," the chairman said. "My club's just come under a bit of pressure because we've been relegated, we've been accused of being unsportsmanlike, which I think we probably have been."
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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2019 20:33:15 GMT
Thanks AF. Most have better IT skills than me. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 20:36:34 GMT
Credit to the Scunthorpe chairman. The only one from that club to come out of this sorry incident with any shred of credit.
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Post by Icegas on May 6, 2019 11:55:44 GMT
Shocking behaviour by Scunthorpe and they should definitely have allowed Plymouth a walk through goal. Blatantly obvious what Macey was doing. I agree and think this us worse then the Leeds one.At least with Leeds you could make a small arguement that they didnt understand what was happening and they played on because of it.Here its clear that Macey was throwing the ball out due to injury.For this player to play on like he did was disgusting and he should be fined heavy by his club and banned for 5-10 matches by the FA. It makes it worse what was both riding for each club in the match.With Leeds vs Villa both really didnt have much on the result itself.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 6, 2019 11:59:08 GMT
Shocking behaviour by Scunthorpe and they should definitely have allowed Plymouth a walk through goal. Blatantly obvious what Macey was doing. I agree and think this us worse then the Leeds one.At least with Leeds you could make a small arguement that they didnt understand what was happening and they played on because of it.Here its clear that Macey was throwing the ball out due to injury.For this player to play on like he did was disgusting and he should be fined heavy by his club and banned for 5-10 matches by the FA. It makes it worse what was both riding for each club in the match.With Leeds vs Villa both really didnt have much on the result itself. It's not in the rules, and if it were, it wouldn't be sportsmanship.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 6, 2019 12:00:13 GMT
Credit to the Scunthorpe chairman. The only one from that club to come out of this sorry incident with any shred of credit. Damage limitation. Easy to say that when it didn't make a difference. I wonder if he would have said the same if it had helped them survive the drop?
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Post by Icegas on May 6, 2019 12:02:38 GMT
I agree and think this us worse then the Leeds one.At least with Leeds you could make a small arguement that they didnt understand what was happening and they played on because of it.Here its clear that Macey was throwing the ball out due to injury.For this player to play on like he did was disgusting and he should be fined heavy by his club and banned for 5-10 matches by the FA. It makes it worse what was both riding for each club in the match.With Leeds vs Villa both really didnt have much on the result itself. It's not in the rules, and if it were, it wouldn't be sportsmanship. Its an un written rule that every football player knows tho and its down to respect. Its like the un written rule between mates that you dont shag your best mate Ex GF regardless of how hot she is! 😂😄
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Post by CrispPusher on May 6, 2019 12:16:51 GMT
Rather than attempting to save the shot, Macey should've stayed on the ground if he was that injured, would've at least made Morris think twice about shooting if there was no keeper defending the net.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 6, 2019 12:23:54 GMT
It's not in the rules, and if it were, it wouldn't be sportsmanship. Its an un written rule that every football player knows tho and its down to respect. Yes, and if it's unwritten, you can't ban someone for it.
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Post by Jomo on May 6, 2019 12:36:44 GMT
Rather than attempting to save the shot, Macey should've stayed on the ground if he was that injured, would've at least made Morris think twice about shooting if there was no keeper defending the net. I don't think Macey would have really had time to assess the situation, so his instincts as a professional were to try and save the shot.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 12:49:53 GMT
Shocking behaviour by Scunthorpe and they should definitely have allowed Plymouth a walk through goal. Blatantly obvious what Macey was doing. I agree and think this us worse then the Leeds one.At least with Leeds you could make a small arguement that they didnt understand what was happening and they played on because of it.Here its clear that Macey was throwing the ball out due to injury.For this player to play on like he did was disgusting and he should be fined heavy by his club and banned for 5-10 matches by the FA. It makes it worse what was both riding for each club in the match.With Leeds vs Villa both really didnt have much on the result itself. It really wasn't blatantly obvious. He's not really gone down as goalkeepers normally would do if they need treatment. It's even stranger to throw the ball directly towards an opposition player who would have been brought up on idea that you play to the whistle. I genuinely believe he wouldn't have collected the ball and shot if it was obvious Macey was injured, as opposed to the potential of a terrible throw out. Fortunately it didn't matter in the end.
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