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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 18:26:52 GMT
GD was always going to get his return on his investment via the charge, that wasn’t what I said though. All the other ex directors will tell you the same story. Steve Hamer isn’t an object of blame any more or less than the rest of the board. You know I have been highly critical of all them over the past 2 years. But there has been an obvious shift in dynamic since Starnes has come in. And there is an obvious disconnect with them both. It doesn’t help that I could pick apart Hamers lies so easily and he’s the biggest politician bull💩er you can find and it’s so obvious that there is an agenda at play. And Hamer is very capable of nailing his colours to the mast of what will suit him best. He couldn’t give a toss about Rovers any more than I do about Swansea. Perhaps your defence of him suggests that where some of the source your info comes from? I have no doubt you will have opportunity to ask your questions at the AGM soon? I don’t have any sources other than people I go to football with that pick up bits and bobs here and there. They aren’t directly involved with the club in anyway. In short the ALQs have done what other boards could have done which is increase our net debt in exchange for extra staff, development squads etc and after the collapse of the UWE there was no real clarity going forward how we could continue at that level without having some way of getting that back. I do hope that your information is correct that our future is going to be brighter in a few months than it is now. The ex-directors can tell you as many stories as they like but no-one (including Mr Hamer) ever told Geoff Dunford what to do. And the charge was only lodged when GD realised where we were headed after he had to step down and felt he needed to protect his personal wealth. For the record, I have not spoken to Mr Hamer for many months but I have spoken to Wael Al-Qadi and several of those around him. As for your not having 'sources' I refer you to your last post where you say "All the other ex directors will tell you the same story." Are they not sources? And with due respect to the people that you go to football with how do you evaluate the 'bits and bobs here and there' when 'they aren't directly involved with the Club?' - isn't that what they call hearsay? Finally, I remain confident for the future, and following the release of the Accounts, if I am wrong, then I cannot contemplate what could happen. By the way, I look forward to sharing that drink with you - maybe at the first game of the new season? - Will it be champagne - I do hope so. Just to clarify. Geoff had a charge on the stadium due to his loans, this was not related to his shareholding. His “masterstroke” was insisting that he would only sell his shareholding as long as each and every sitting director did the same. I agree with Knowall, Geoff wouldn’t have needed advice from Steve Hamer, this was his revenge for falling out with Nick Higgs and the look on Nick Higgs face when he entered the press conference confirmed that Geoff had achieved his aim.
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Post by knowall on Jun 1, 2019 20:07:06 GMT
The ex-directors can tell you as many stories as they like but no-one (including Mr Hamer) ever told Geoff Dunford what to do. And the charge was only lodged when GD realised where we were headed after he had to step down and felt he needed to protect his personal wealth. For the record, I have not spoken to Mr Hamer for many months but I have spoken to Wael Al-Qadi and several of those around him. As for your not having 'sources' I refer you to your last post where you say "All the other ex directors will tell you the same story." Are they not sources? And with due respect to the people that you go to football with how do you evaluate the 'bits and bobs here and there' when 'they aren't directly involved with the Club?' - isn't that what they call hearsay? Finally, I remain confident for the future, and following the release of the Accounts, if I am wrong, then I cannot contemplate what could happen. By the way, I look forward to sharing that drink with you - maybe at the first game of the new season? - Will it be champagne - I do hope so. Just to clarify. Geoff had a charge on the stadium due to his loans, this was not related to his shareholding. His “masterstroke” was insisting that he would only sell his shareholding as long as each and every sitting director did the same. I agree with Knowall, Geoff wouldn’t have needed advice from Steve Hamer, this was his revenge for falling out with Nick Higgs and the look on Nick Higgs face when he entered the press conference confirmed that Geoff had achieved his aim. Thank you Holmes for your intervention, as someone who knew GD more than most, your view is important as was GD's influence on BRFC. Oh boy, how we could do with his wise head now. We all may have disagreed with GD from time to time, but no doubt ultimately we accepted he was probably right. BRFC under GD was successful on and off the pitch and there is no reason why that should not be so again, - it is all down to personnel on and off the pitch. I firmly believe that our Club can become a force again but it will take wise heads getting together and not people who rely on photo shoots for their pumped up self importance. For all our success under GD he was never carried down Gloucester Rd, and nor would he have wanted to be - he was better than that.
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Post by singupgas on Jun 2, 2019 4:41:07 GMT
Just to clarify. Geoff had a charge on the stadium due to his loans, this was not related to his shareholding. His “masterstroke” was insisting that he would only sell his shareholding as long as each and every sitting director did the same. I agree with Knowall, Geoff wouldn’t have needed advice from Steve Hamer, this was his revenge for falling out with Nick Higgs and the look on Nick Higgs face when he entered the press conference confirmed that Geoff had achieved his aim. Thank you Holmes for your intervention, as someone who knew GD more than most, your view is important as was GD's influence on BRFC. Oh boy, how we could do with his wise head now. We all may have disagreed with GD from time to time, but no doubt ultimately we accepted he was probably right. BRFC under GD was successful on and off the pitch and there is no reason why that should not be so again, - it is all down to personnel on and off the pitch. I firmly believe that our Club can become a force again but it will take wise heads getting together and not people who rely on photo shoots for their pumped up self importance. For all our success under GD he was never carried down Gloucester Rd, and nor would he have wanted to be - he was better than that. Well if you are standing by your suggestions with Severncider that there might be some good new very soon we might all be worrying needlessly right?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 2, 2019 8:57:18 GMT
Thank you Holmes for your intervention, as someone who knew GD more than most, your view is important as was GD's influence on BRFC. Oh boy, how we could do with his wise head now. We all may have disagreed with GD from time to time, but no doubt ultimately we accepted he was probably right. BRFC under GD was successful on and off the pitch and there is no reason why that should not be so again, - it is all down to personnel on and off the pitch. I firmly believe that our Club can become a force again but it will take wise heads getting together and not people who rely on photo shoots for their pumped up self importance. For all our success under GD he was never carried down Gloucester Rd, and nor would he have wanted to be - he was better than that. Well if you are standing by your suggestions with Severncider that there might be some good new very soon we might all be worrying needlessly right? It's odd that only two old timers have heard any talk of a takeover, regardless who's going to buy us now with £20m of debts and a dilapidated stadium to deal with, they may as well wait and pick us up for next to nothing when we go into Admin.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 2, 2019 10:27:35 GMT
I've been saying this since day one.
If Hamer called me by my name I'd go home and check my birth certificate.
I'm heartened to see that more and more are starting to see what is and has been going on at the club.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 2, 2019 10:32:07 GMT
Well if you are standing by your suggestions with Severncider that there might be some good new very soon we might all be worrying needlessly right? It's odd that only two old timers have heard any talk of a takeover, regardless who's going to buy us now with £20m of debts and a dilapidated stadium to deal with, they may as well wait and pick us up for next to nothing when we go into Admin. There has always been a mole within the new board. I don’t think any prizes will be given as to the original source of the information that get leaks, if it ever could be proven. But the mere fact that Hamer seems to be cut adrift from all clubs activity suggests that if there was any skullduggery, then it falls firmly at his door. And if it has become apparent that he cannot be trusted, then it’s no wonder Martin Starnes has come in to try and run the day to day.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 2, 2019 10:41:46 GMT
It's odd that only two old timers have heard any talk of a takeover, regardless who's going to buy us now with £20m of debts and a dilapidated stadium to deal with, they may as well wait and pick us up for next to nothing when we go into Admin. There has always been a mole within the new board. I don’t think any prizes will be given as to the original source of the information that get leaks, if it ever could be proven. But the mere fact that Hamer seems to be cut adrift from all clubs activity suggests that if there was any skullduggery, then it falls firmly at his door. And if it has become apparent that he cannot be trusted, then it’s no wonder Martin Starnes has come in to try and run the day to day. And by leaks of information that of course doesn't always mean that information was factual.
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Post by madgas on Jun 2, 2019 11:28:28 GMT
Just to clarify. Geoff had a charge on the stadium due to his loans, this was not related to his shareholding. His “masterstroke” was insisting that he would only sell his shareholding as long as each and every sitting director did the same. I agree with Knowall, Geoff wouldn’t have needed advice from Steve Hamer, this was his revenge for falling out with Nick Higgs and the look on Nick Higgs face when he entered the press conference confirmed that Geoff had achieved his aim. Thank you Holmes for your intervention, as someone who knew GD more than most, your view is important as was GD's influence on BRFC. Oh boy, how we could do with his wise head now. We all may have disagreed with GD from time to time, but no doubt ultimately we accepted he was probably right. BRFC under GD was successful on and off the pitch and there is no reason why that should not be so again, - it is all down to personnel on and off the pitch. I firmly believe that our Club can become a force again but it will take wise heads getting together and not people who rely on photo shoots for their pumped up self importance. For all our success under GD he was never carried down Gloucester Rd, and nor would he have wanted to be - he was better than that. Knowall, you’ve made many many claims over the last year. Time lines have passed and nothing you’ve said has come about. Buuuuuuuttttt what does being carried down Gloucester Road have to do with anything? One man likes a quiet moment to himself, the other likes a celebration with fans. Neither amount to good or bad owner. That’s just a personality thing. Im making the rational judgement from this that it’s somewhat personal for you.
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Post by knowall on Jun 2, 2019 13:15:30 GMT
Thank you Holmes for your intervention, as someone who knew GD more than most, your view is important as was GD's influence on BRFC. Oh boy, how we could do with his wise head now. We all may have disagreed with GD from time to time, but no doubt ultimately we accepted he was probably right. BRFC under GD was successful on and off the pitch and there is no reason why that should not be so again, - it is all down to personnel on and off the pitch. I firmly believe that our Club can become a force again but it will take wise heads getting together and not people who rely on photo shoots for their pumped up self importance. For all our success under GD he was never carried down Gloucester Rd, and nor would he have wanted to be - he was better than that. Knowall, you’ve made many many claims over the last year. Time lines have passed and nothing you’ve said has come about. Buuuuuuuttttt what does being carried down Gloucester Road have to do with anything? One man likes a quiet moment to himself, the other likes a celebration with fans. Neither amount to good or bad owner. That’s just a personality thing. Im making the rational judgement from this that it’s somewhat personal for you. Not sure what these 'many many' claims might be? As far as i know my ONE claim is that there is good news in the future, and yes, it has been over a year, since not long after the UWE project fell in fact, but that does not make it any less exciting and you will hopefully find out before the new season. As for the 'celebration' , I was simply comparing the attitude of Geoff Dunford who accomplished so much for our football club in a quiet and mannerly way and who would have been embarrassed to be feted in such a way. As for being personal - no, it is all about the Football Club I have supported for over seventy years and as someone once said "you will have to read my book when it is published"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 13:25:31 GMT
Knowall, you’ve made many many claims over the last year. Time lines have passed and nothing you’ve said has come about. Buuuuuuuttttt what does being carried down Gloucester Road have to do with anything? One man likes a quiet moment to himself, the other likes a celebration with fans. Neither amount to good or bad owner. That’s just a personality thing. Im making the rational judgement from this that it’s somewhat personal for you. Not sure what these 'many many' claims might be? As far as i know my ONE claim is that there is good news in the future, and yes, it has been over a year, since not long after the UWE project fell in fact, but that does not make it any less exciting and you will hopefully find out before the new season. As for the 'celebration' , I was simply comparing the attitude of Geoff Dunford who accomplished so much for our football club in a quiet and mannerly way and who would have been embarrassed to be feted in such a way. As for being personal - no, it is all about the Football Club I have supported for over seventy years and as someone once said "you will have to read my book when it is published" is the world really going to end if you enlighten us all of your claim of happy news? If you don’t wish to enlighten your fellow supporter and want to walk around like you’re better than us, can I kindly suggest you ehem....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 13:26:46 GMT
Hate a cock tease!
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Post by Jomo on Jun 2, 2019 13:30:20 GMT
Knowall, you’ve made many many claims over the last year. Time lines have passed and nothing you’ve said has come about. Buuuuuuuttttt what does being carried down Gloucester Road have to do with anything? One man likes a quiet moment to himself, the other likes a celebration with fans. Neither amount to good or bad owner. That’s just a personality thing. Im making the rational judgement from this that it’s somewhat personal for you. Not sure what these 'many many' claims might be? As far as i know my ONE claim is that there is good news in the future, and yes, it has been over a year, since not long after the UWE project fell in fact, but that does not make it any less exciting and you will hopefully find out before the new season. As for the 'celebration' , I was simply comparing the attitude of Geoff Dunford who accomplished so much for our football club in a quiet and mannerly way and who would have been embarrassed to be feted in such a way. As for being personal - no, it is all about the Football Club I have supported for over seventy years and as someone once said "you will have to read my book when it is published" I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying, but just to put a slightly different spin on Wael being carried down Gloucester Road...I'm guessing he went to Gloucester Road to enjoy the experience of what was a momentous day in the history of the club, enjoying it with the fans. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have said "Hey guys, would you be able to carry me down Gloucester road so I can post it online, showing how great I am!". The fans would have seen him and done it in the spur of the moment. Nothing wrong with what Wael did in that moment for me. I'd rather he was more prominent now, as clearly he's been somewhat in hiding over the last year or so and only likes engaging with the fans when things are going well. THAT'S more of the issue I have with him, nice bloke as he clearly is.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 2, 2019 14:33:32 GMT
Just putting this out there for comment...... Has ANYBODY been in the same room With KNOWALL and HAMER at the same time
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 14:42:54 GMT
Just putting this out there for comment...... Has ANYBODY been in the same room With KNOWALL and HAMER at the same time Would there be room for both and their egos?
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Post by madgas on Jun 2, 2019 15:08:11 GMT
Knowall, you’ve made many many claims over the last year. Time lines have passed and nothing you’ve said has come about. Buuuuuuuttttt what does being carried down Gloucester Road have to do with anything? One man likes a quiet moment to himself, the other likes a celebration with fans. Neither amount to good or bad owner. That’s just a personality thing. Im making the rational judgement from this that it’s somewhat personal for you. Not sure what these 'many many' claims might be? As far as i know my ONE claim is that there is good news in the future, and yes, it has been over a year, since not long after the UWE project fell in fact, but that does not make it any less exciting and you will hopefully find out before the new season. As for the 'celebration' , I was simply comparing the attitude of Geoff Dunford who accomplished so much for our football club in a quiet and mannerly way and who would have been embarrassed to be feted in such a way. As for being personal - no, it is all about the Football Club I have supported for over seventy years and as someone once said "you will have to read my book when it is published" Their different celebrations are just not relevant. Any spin to attack the current owners, imo.
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Post by knowall on Jun 2, 2019 16:16:09 GMT
Just putting this out there for comment...... Has ANYBODY been in the same room With KNOWALL and HAMER at the same time Yes - you have
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 2, 2019 16:35:56 GMT
Just putting this out there for comment...... Has ANYBODY been in the same room With KNOWALL and HAMER at the same time Yes - you have Don't tell them our secret
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Post by knowall on Jun 2, 2019 16:54:28 GMT
Just putting this out there for comment...... Has ANYBODY been in the same room With KNOWALL and HAMER at the same time Would there be room for both and their egos? I don't have an ego - "I look up to him, and he looks down on me" - to quote Ronnie Corbett.
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Post by Marshy on Jun 2, 2019 17:15:05 GMT
Would there be room for both and their egos? I don't have an ego - "I look up to him, and he goes down on me" - to quote Ronnie Corbett. Sorted that for you knowall. 😁
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Post by knowall on Jun 2, 2019 18:32:02 GMT
I don't have an ego - "I look up to him, and he goes down on me" - to quote Ronnie Corbett. Sorted that for you knowall. 😁 yes it is my quote
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