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Post by glengas on Jun 4, 2019 20:50:25 GMT
If you ran any other business not caring about your customers you would be out of business very quickly. Football clubs rely on the fact most of us turn up season after season despite the garbage we are sometimes served up. The fact that you say they don’t care about us is even more of a reason to find out what their plan for the club is. Who says they don't care, not divulging all their plans for the future for so Knowall's mates can stop fretting is surely different than not caring? Losing £3m p.a. is hardly a sign of owners who don't care. I was referring to the comment that the owners don’t give a toss. For me, it’s not about divulging all their plans it is just a case of providing some reassurance that the 20 million of debt is not going to take us under. At what point do people ask the question? 25 million? 30 million?
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Post by Icegas on Jun 4, 2019 21:58:16 GMT
To be fair if he doesn't show then we are in more dodo then I believed we were..
The actions of our board by keeping us in the dark over the past 2 years (at least) has been shocking over things.
This rise debt needs to be addressed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 22:03:18 GMT
If you ran any other business not caring about your customers you would be out of business very quickly. Football clubs rely on the fact most of us turn up season after season despite the garbage we are sometimes served up. The fact that you say they don’t care about us is even more of a reason to find out what their plan for the club is. Who says they don't care, not divulging all their plans for the future for so Knowall's mates can stop fretting is surely different than not caring? Losing £3m p.a. is hardly a sign of owners who don't care. No, it's not, but it just might be a sign of a badly run business. A business whose customers are entitled to question the owners about their plans and intentions.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jun 4, 2019 23:13:12 GMT
Wael Al-Qadi owes the staff, players, shareholders and supporters an explanation as to why Bristol Rovers seems to have come off the rails. Hugely in debt and no sign of the stadium which Nick Higgs and Ed Ware had worked so hard to bring about, a derelict training ground, and it seems, the momentum in promotion which had existed just evaporated. Will Wael Al-Qadi turn up next week to the AGM and give us some answers to the many questions which do need a response? Or will he be missing as per recently on the internet where he was once so prolific? Given the meeting next week appears to be an exclusive club. If you don’t get the answers/clarification you are seeking will you finally: A. Reveal all that you (claim to) know. Or B. Complain that the people you wanted to ask questions to, wasn’t in attendance. You’ve got plenty questions, I got 1 for you......., What will be your 1st 3 most important questions that you will be quizzing the unknown Panal. 1st question can’t be, where’s waely. Joking a side ( though it weren’t funny), Serious question. P.s No what’s happening with training ground, no what’s the long term plan. None of that fannying about. You got gripe. Let’s her it. Your 3 questions that mean the most to you.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jun 4, 2019 23:44:08 GMT
One world. FruitMarket.
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Post by Gasshole on Jun 5, 2019 0:21:26 GMT
I’ll have a kilo of magic mushrooms to get me through the off season
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 0:24:20 GMT
Will he cum?... Man the pressure is immense. X
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 4:14:16 GMT
Will he cum?... Man the pressure is immense. X Best wear some safety glasses Bolders. If the pressure is that much you could lose an eye !
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 5, 2019 5:18:56 GMT
If you ran any other business not caring about your customers you would be out of business very quickly. Football clubs rely on the fact most of us turn up season after season despite the garbage we are sometimes served up. The fact that you say they don’t care about us is even more of a reason to find out what their plan for the club is. Who says they don't care, not divulging all their plans for the future for so Knowall's mates can stop fretting is surely different than not caring? Losing £3m p.a. is hardly a sign of owners who don't care. You only have to look at our facilities our wheelchair based supporters have to put up with tells you everything about how much the family care... a bit of 4 x 2 wood and plastic roofing sez it all
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 5, 2019 5:28:58 GMT
Who says they don't care, not divulging all their plans for the future for so Knowall's mates can stop fretting is surely different than not caring? Losing £3m p.a. is hardly a sign of owners who don't care. You only have to look at our facilities our wheelchair based supporters have to put up with tells you everything about how much the family care... a bit of 4 x 2 wood and plastic roofing sez it all It's an improvement on what they had before and yet you didn't complain about that under the previous owners. Why is that?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 5, 2019 5:34:18 GMT
You only have to look at our facilities our wheelchair based supporters have to put up with tells you everything about how much the family care... a bit of 4 x 2 wood and plastic roofing sez it all It's an improvement on what they had before and yet you didn't complain about that under the previous owners. Why is that? yes i did
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 5, 2019 6:01:53 GMT
It's an improvement on what they had before and yet you didn't complain about that under the previous owners. Why is that? yes i did Fair enough, I stand corrected.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 5, 2019 6:17:47 GMT
The whole place is a Dam shambles, not only disabled areas??
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 5, 2019 6:58:22 GMT
Fair enough, I stand corrected. i wrote to the club explaining what happened to a good friend of mine who was in a temporary Wheelchair after a car crash and how poor he was treated.....
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jun 5, 2019 7:14:51 GMT
Waq has his own interest at heart, treats the loyal supporters like mushrooms, he owns the club and the club owe him the debt, poacher and gamekeeper he are ****** either way, “winter is coming “ regardless of whether or not WAQ attends the next AGM.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jun 5, 2019 7:23:05 GMT
Fair enough, I stand corrected. i wrote to the club explaining what happened to a good friend of mine who was in a temporary Wheelchair after a car crash and how poor he was treated..... I believe we have more wheelchair spots than the "legal" requirement for a sport stadia of our size?
We have constantly underspent on the Mem with a view that we would be moving in the near to short-term future; if that is not the case maybe it is time to upgrade facilities for disabled and able bodied fans.
I for one get fed up of the "ITK" crowd harping on about what they know but wont tell; put up or shut up is my position on it all. In reality are we any worse off financially than most clubs of our size in the football league?
Roll on another signing to temporarily deflect the harbingers of doom
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 5, 2019 7:28:07 GMT
Who says they don't care, not divulging all their plans for the future for so Knowall's mates can stop fretting is surely different than not caring? Losing £3m p.a. is hardly a sign of owners who don't care. You only have to look at our facilities our wheelchair based supporters have to put up with tells you everything about how much the family care... a bit of 4 x 2 wood and plastic roofing sez it all The only real solution is a new stadium, which has been the case for a decade or more, problem clearly has been funding it, even if Wael turns up at the meeting (I don't think there's any proof he doesn't intend attending) I doubt he's going to suddenly reveal his plans for a new stadium.
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Post by Severncider on Jun 5, 2019 7:56:37 GMT
One thing not mentioned previously about the AGM is that ALL of the current Directors are up for re-election.
It will be interesting to see those shareholders abstaining or opposing any of their re-election.
Yes, I know Wael's 90%+ vote will ensure all will be re-elected.
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Post by tomylil on Jun 5, 2019 8:32:14 GMT
You only have to look at our facilities our wheelchair based supporters have to put up with tells you everything about how much the family care... a bit of 4 x 2 wood and plastic roofing sez it all The only real solution is a new stadium, which has been the case for a decade or more, problem clearly has been funding it, even if Wael turns up at the meeting (I don't think there's any proof he doesn't intend attending) I doubt he's going to suddenly reveal his plans for a new stadium. The thing is now I would imagine that a sale of the Mem would only cover the debt rather than fund or help fund a new stadium. The AQ's are wealthy by most peoples standards but not really in football terms when it comes to funding the cost of a new stadium, which even a basic one must be in the region of £30m. These people aren't philanthropists they will want a return somehow on top of the funding costs for the stadium, so what would people consider acceptable 3% or 5% per annum over what they themselves have to pay ? I simply can't see that happening so the only solution seems to be to sell us to someone with the wherewithall to pay off the AQ's flog the Mem and before that goes through and the keys are handed over, build a new ground in advance or secure a site and planning consent and pay rent somewhere for 2/3 years - whilst underwriting the cost of building a proper squad. Alternatively, pay off the AQ's and develop the Mem piecemeal whilst funding a new squad. Either way its a lot of money to spunk over a club which despite our protestations of being "big" don't actually support that claim with paying punters, and would be in competition with other clubs available which already have acceptable stadia, much less debt, dare I say less immediate competition and therefore greater potential for success. Wael doesn't seem to want to let go of the top position even if it was simply a notional one, and people with the funds needed would not stand for a show pony in the boardroom who adds nothing to the business. I think that if someone was found, then the more senior members of the AQ's would pull rank and tell Wael his dream is over and write off the Rovers experience as a gamble that didn't pay off. The best solution for us would be if the AQ's actually wrote off the debt and flogged the club for £1 - never going to happen of course.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 5, 2019 9:51:47 GMT
The only real solution is a new stadium, which has been the case for a decade or more, problem clearly has been funding it, even if Wael turns up at the meeting (I don't think there's any proof he doesn't intend attending) I doubt he's going to suddenly reveal his plans for a new stadium. The thing is now I would imagine that a sale of the Mem would only cover the debt rather than fund or help fund a new stadium. The AQ's are wealthy by most peoples standards but not really in football terms when it comes to funding the cost of a new stadium, which even a basic one must be in the region of £30m. These people aren't philanthropists they will want a return somehow on top of the funding costs for the stadium, so what would people consider acceptable 3% or 5% per annum over what they themselves have to pay ? I simply can't see that happening so the only solution seems to be to sell us to someone with the wherewithall to pay off the AQ's flog the Mem and before that goes through and the keys are handed over, build a new ground in advance or secure a site and planning consent and pay rent somewhere for 2/3 years - whilst underwriting the cost of building a proper squad. Alternatively, pay off the AQ's and develop the Mem piecemeal whilst funding a new squad. Either way its a lot of money to spunk over a club which despite our protestations of being "big" don't actually support that claim with paying punters, and would be in competition with other clubs available which already have acceptable stadia, much less debt, dare I say less immediate competition and therefore greater potential for success. Wael doesn't seem to want to let go of the top position even if it was simply a notional one, and people with the funds needed would not stand for a show pony in the boardroom who adds nothing to the business. I think that if someone was found, then the more senior members of the AQ's would pull rank and tell Wael his dream is over and write off the Rovers experience as a gamble that didn't pay off. The best solution for us would be if the AQ's actually wrote off the debt and flogged the club for £1 - never going to happen of course. Our problem is we've no idea what the real debt is as big part of that debt could well be interest payments etc owed to the ALQ's, sums they could well write off if they wanted to move on. Although if they are genuine people interested in buying out the ALQ's they don't half keep a low profile!
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