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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 6, 2019 10:44:50 GMT
Definitely, we like to get things right and certainly none of this bullshit malarkey allowed on here ever! You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. Jack Nicolson 1992. We could do with a few good men right now....
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Post by Westy on Aug 6, 2019 11:23:55 GMT
I totally feel like that could be a real good angle to work considering the sentiment of a lot Bristol, especially the kind of people who like to write against planning permission letters, and a starting point to keeping a raft of considerations like local community impact (I know nobody lives near the Fruit Market but I think there may be enough people on the Bath Road to put up a good NIMBY fight There will shortly be around 1,000 people living in relatively high end apartments in Paintworks just across the Feeder and that area could be used as a walk through by home and away fans. The mere suggestion of litter, graffiti and violence possibly occurring on private land will mean nimby's will be out big time and we all saw how effective they were at Ashton Vale. Wasn't the arena knocked back because of traffic and infrastructrure issues or was there a more nefarious reason why Marvellous Marvin didn't back it ? With potentially double the numbers of spectators compared to the arena, and sh** roads I cannot see any way this will happen. As for the consortium, Lancer Scott would presumably want to build the stadium ? They made an operating profit of £2.6m year ending 30th September 2018 so not exactly flush are they. Also a community investment company exists for the benefit of the community. I daresay that members of the community of the red persuasion may be lobbying the regulator on the community benefits arising out of funding a stadium for a private company that already has a stadium that it doesn't fill. Also the Greens are anti sport and would i'm sure put up a compelling case that there are more deserving causes that benefit the wider community. Presumably the various businesses that own the market won't simply pack it in, so will need a pretty central location to continue trading ? Where will that be then, and how much would the replacement land cost ? It would have to be a lot less than the value of the market otherwise why bother but frankly I can't think of anywhere offering such a central location at a cheaper cost. More smoke and mirrors by Wael I fear. Oh yeah! Thanks for that T! Completely slipped my mind about the arena and all of the housing development along the feeder. I think my daydreaming was getting ahead of me (it's been said a few times in real life!). Also my continued disappointment about the Bristol Arena since being young has finally made me forget about the whole damn thing! I do wonder now you've said that though, if perhaps an entirely eco project could be the one that swings it? As I don't believe any type of that initiative was included in the Bristol Arena. With the right kind of niche backing: Bristol University involved coinciding with their new campus, to both create green areas, and research funding at the uni to help develop a long term sustainability plan for major local infrastructure and environmentally friendly building projects in major urban cities. This, coupled with Liberal leaning political parties like the Green Party and the left leaning people of Bristol. That's a pretty bit virtue signal on the international political scene and general world view, if we were to pioneer a massive project like a green stadium, campus and residential area. There must be a huge amount of pots of cash in various hands and coffers around the world for things like this. Obviously brexit would (maybe? /probably?) scupper an EU funding, but I ponder on any UN/WHO etc etc funding streams? Scrap the outside investment. As part of green credentials, to keep the carbon footprint down as much as possible sources as local as possible. Injecting money back into local circulation, whilst being a boon for local employment(see also voters!) and local investment over a massive amount of time. Maybe also a community effort for social mobility too? I've often mused that perhaps a good way to fill the construction worker gap (ex carpenter myself) would be to actively upskill and refresh out of work people in their various roles (doesn't even necessarily have to be construction) and employ them through government / local council building work. (that might sound a bit Marxist sorry, and I agree that I'd rather have people on a building site who want to be there, turn up everyday, and have the get up and go to be in the kind of employment in the first place!) How about St Phillips retail Park for parking, excellent footfall for the food places (I'd rather that was spent in the stadium though, but as a business that would be down to us to make getting to the stadium and eating there more attractive than a Krispe Kreme back at the car). The cycle path down past Sparkes Park could be upgraded into a "Stadium Walk", which coincided with different planning on the upcoming University / Feeder road development look into options from the Temple Meads side. Better trains from all local stations around match days, and I also like some people's suggestion of a season ticket bus pass for 23 matches. Maybe a football oyster card, and could be sold as part of a season ticket package for out of town gas heads? Really got my brain ticking this!!! Sorry about all the spelling mistakes. Typing this out on my phone with one hand on my lunch break!
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Post by thegasman on Aug 6, 2019 11:32:22 GMT
There will shortly be around 1,000 people living in relatively high end apartments in Paintworks just across the Feeder and that area could be used as a walk through by home and away fans. The mere suggestion of litter, graffiti and violence possibly occurring on private land will mean nimby's will be out big time and we all saw how effective they were at Ashton Vale. Wasn't the arena knocked back because of traffic and infrastructrure issues or was there a more nefarious reason why Marvellous Marvin didn't back it ? With potentially double the numbers of spectators compared to the arena, and sh** roads I cannot see any way this will happen. As for the consortium, Lancer Scott would presumably want to build the stadium ? They made an operating profit of £2.6m year ending 30th September 2018 so not exactly flush are they. Also a community investment company exists for the benefit of the community. I daresay that members of the community of the red persuasion may be lobbying the regulator on the community benefits arising out of funding a stadium for a private company that already has a stadium that it doesn't fill. Also the Greens are anti sport and would i'm sure put up a compelling case that there are more deserving causes that benefit the wider community. Presumably the various businesses that own the market won't simply pack it in, so will need a pretty central location to continue trading ? Where will that be then, and how much would the replacement land cost ? It would have to be a lot less than the value of the market otherwise why bother but frankly I can't think of anywhere offering such a central location at a cheaper cost. More smoke and mirrors by Wael I fear. Oh yeah! Thanks for that T! Completely slipped my mind about the arena and all of the housing development along the feeder. I think my daydreaming was getting ahead of me (it's been said a few times in real life!). Also my continued disappointment about the Bristol Arena since being young has finally made me forget about the whole damn thing! I do wonder now you've said that though, if perhaps an entirely eco project could be the one that swings it? As I don't believe any type of that initiative was included in the Bristol Arena. With the right kind of niche backing: Bristol University involved coinciding with their new campus, to both create green areas, and research funding at the uni to help develop a long term sustainability plan for major local infrastructure and environmentally friendly building projects in major urban cities. This, coupled with Liberal leaning political parties like the Green Party and the left leaning people of Bristol. That's a pretty bit virtue signal on the international political scene and general world view, if we were to pioneer a massive project like a green stadium, campus and residential area. There must be a huge amount of pots of cash in various hands and coffers around the world for things like this. Obviously brexit would (maybe? /probably?) scupper an EU funding, but I ponder on any UN/WHO etc etc funding streams? Scrap the outside investment. As part of green credentials, to keep the carbon footprint down as much as possible sources as local as possible. Injecting money back into local circulation, whilst being a boon for local employment(see also voters!) and local investment over a massive amount of time. Maybe also a community effort for social mobility too? I've often mused that perhaps a good way to fill the construction worker gap (ex carpenter myself) would be to actively upskill and refresh out of work people in their various roles (doesn't even necessarily have to be construction) and employ them through government / local council building work. (that might sound a bit Marxist sorry, and I agree that I'd rather have people on a building site who want to be there, turn up everyday, and have the get up and go to be in the kind of employment in the first place!) How about St Phillips retail Park for parking, excellent footfall for the food places (I'd rather that was spent in the stadium though, but as a business that would be down to us to make getting to the stadium and eating there more attractive than a Krispe Kreme back at the car). The cycle path down past Sparkes Park could be upgraded into a "Stadium Walk", which coincided with different planning on the upcoming University / Feeder road development look into options from the Temple Meads side. Better trains from all local stations around match days, and I also like some people's suggestion of a season ticket bus pass for 23 matches. Maybe a football oyster card, and could be sold as part of a season ticket package for out of town gas heads? Really got my brain ticking this!!! Sorry about all the spelling mistakes. Typing this out on my phone with one hand on my lunch break! And... breathe.
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Post by Westy on Aug 6, 2019 11:37:14 GMT
Haha yep, that's another thing in real life I often find myself saying 😂
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Post by wertongas on Aug 6, 2019 13:03:11 GMT
Wael I had for gotten about this thread but when I read through it , most of what I said as actually happened, the only a difference is the fact that Wael said he wouldn't need to sale the Mem when I have been reliably told that we will have to. There again I did spend two hours chatting to a director so I suppose it should be reliable info. Also noticed that only two of the four attacking players have arrived, so hopefully GC will be able to get the other players he is looking for in by the end of the month. I am not sure about the fruit market site there are better sites on the east side of Bristol that have been looked at.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 6, 2019 13:07:12 GMT
Wael I had for gotten about this thread but when I read through it , most of what I said as actually happened, the only a difference is the fact that Wael said he wouldn't need to sale the Mem when I have been reliably told that we will have to. There again I did spend two hours chatting to a director so I suppose it should be reliable info. Also noticed that only two of the four attacking players have arrived, so hopefully GC will be able to get the other players he is looking for in by the end of the month. I am not sure about the fruit market site there are better sites on the east side of Bristol that have been looked at. I don't really see any space for any more strikers, unless we send out Nichols/Moore on loan?
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Post by wertongas on Aug 6, 2019 13:16:10 GMT
Wael I had for gotten about this thread but when I read through it , most of what I said as actually happened, the only a difference is the fact that Wael said he wouldn't need to sale the Mem when I have been reliably told that we will have to. There again I did spend two hours chatting to a director so I suppose it should be reliable info. Also noticed that only two of the four attacking players have arrived, so hopefully GC will be able to get the other players he is looking for in by the end of the month. I am not sure about the fruit market site there are better sites on the east side of Bristol that have been looked at. I don't really see any space for any more strikers, unless we send out Nichols/Moore on loan? The attacking players don't have to be strikers, Mensah and Payne were the two GC didn't want around, GC had an open mind on Bennet I suspect he will now be kept. Hopefully we can get a couple more attacking midfielders wingers in, time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 19:09:44 GMT
Wael I had for gotten about this thread but when I read through it , most of what I said as actually happened, the only a difference is the fact that Wael said he wouldn't need to sale the Mem when I have been reliably told that we will have to. There again I did spend two hours chatting to a director so I suppose it should be reliable info. Also noticed that only two of the four attacking players have arrived, so hopefully GC will be able to get the other players he is looking for in by the end of the month. I am not sure about the fruit market site there are better sites on the east side of Bristol that have been looked at. Obviously we will have to sale the Mem, I think what Wael said was that we would not need to sale the Mem in order to finance the stadium. A sale of the Mem would take place after we have moved out.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 6, 2019 19:19:09 GMT
Wael I had for gotten about this thread but when I read through it , most of what I said as actually happened, the only a difference is the fact that Wael said he wouldn't need to sale the Mem when I have been reliably told that we will have to. There again I did spend two hours chatting to a director so I suppose it should be reliable info. Also noticed that only two of the four attacking players have arrived, so hopefully GC will be able to get the other players he is looking for in by the end of the month. I am not sure about the fruit market site there are better sites on the east side of Bristol that have been looked at. Obviously we will have to sale the Mem, I think what Wael said was that we would not need to sale the Mem in order to finance the stadium. A sale of the Mem would take place after we have moved out. i believe there is a covenant in place to ensure that
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 6, 2019 19:49:01 GMT
I am not sure about the fruit market site there are better sites on the east side of Bristol that have been looked at. I am sort of hoping it’s a smoke and mirrors tactic. We all understand the football dynamic of the city. Whilst we are an irrelevance to the other team in Bristol at the moment given that their world revolves around 20 million pound transfers and England-Wales local derbies attended by 20k+ supporters, that would change if the brightest, shiniest, most revenue friendly 20k+ all-seater stadium in the city was not theirs. Whenever a suggested stadium is announced that is not already through the majority of hurdles it has to face, then there are enough petty minded, over my dead body individuals of the opposite persuasion that can employ delaying and ultimately fatal tactics to undermine the project, both teams have suffered in the past, despite sane voices from their own ranks reasoning that strengthening both teams football facilities ensures that the city’s sporting legacy will thrive, not just survive. So, given the fruit market site has multiple owners and no planning permission yet, there are already two pressure points that spoilers can employ delaying and expensive tactics on... and as others have pointed out there are pros and cons in respect of the site as it stands. If it was me I’d go public on a site that I’d expect would ultimately fail and have the spoilers waste their time obstructing a project that won’t reach fruition whilst the pieces are put in place on another site, ensure ownership and planning permission are obtained or at least guaranteed before going public...and as South Glos have always been more supportive of a new stadium under their jurisdiction then working with them is more likely to produce results and the site is likely to be fairly close to Rovers traditional heartland anyway.
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Post by utg12 on Aug 8, 2019 17:11:53 GMT
I doubt very many people are arguing that we couldn't get decent crowds in decent facilities. The massive problem is that unlike dozens of others no-one is going to build a stadium for us / with us. It's a completely impossible task that no-one has ever managed before. Just so I'm clear, you are slagging the owners off (again) for being unable to do something that you yourself describe as "impossible". um, sarcasm detector? Loads of other clubs mange to do projects. we spend 40 years doing very little.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 8, 2019 17:14:07 GMT
Just so I'm clear, you are slagging the owners off (again) for being unable to do something that you yourself describe as "impossible". um, sarcasm detector? Loads of other clubs mange to do projects. we spend 40 years doing very little. Indeed. Something WAQ is not alone in achieving.
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