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Post by oldgas on Jul 20, 2019 17:53:20 GMT
If Clarke had not have wasted £570,000 on a "striker" who has scored 2 league goals from open play in 2 seasons, and a fat lazy bastard from Shrewsbury and a no hoper from Aldershot we would be a lot better off. . Yawn It's a fact though,, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 17:59:12 GMT
Is £570k a fact? I'd welcome some evidence before agreeing the figure to be true.
What is fact is the tedious anti DC drivel on his every post. If he was a Man U fan he'd probably slaughter Sir Alex Fergusons signings, citing Eric Djemba Djemba and Kleberson as examples of his ineptitude. Useless manager!
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Post by Raj Gas on Jul 20, 2019 18:07:04 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, there were decent reasons for signing all 3 but sometimes things don't work out.
Some players are guilty of trying too hard, not trying at all or sometimes it's just not the right place for them, towards the end I think DC probably took to many risks on the player front.
Succesful Rovers teams haven't always needed star signings just a great team spirit and I hope GC will find this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 18:15:53 GMT
If Clarke had not have wasted £570,000 on a "striker" who has scored 2 league goals from open play in 2 seasons, and a fat lazy bastard from Shrewsbury and a no hoper from Aldershot we would be a lot better off. . Yawn So which parts of lpgas's post do you find inaccurate?
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Post by oldgas on Jul 20, 2019 18:17:07 GMT
Is £570k a fact? I'd welcome some evidence before agreeing the figure to be true. What is fact is the tedious anti DC drivel on his every post. If he was a Man U fan he'd probably slaughter Sir Alex Fergusons signings, citing Eric Djemba Djemba and Kleberson as examples of his ineptitude. Useless manager! I don't want to get into a spat over this but I would say the following. McAnthony was putting it about that we had paid circa 300k fot TN, the sum of 200k for Payne was generally accepted by all and I recall 80k being quoted for Bernardo. That gives a ball park figure as quoted. I will always be grateful to DC for what he achieved, those 2 seasons and the 3rd to a lesser extent, were truly memorable. However, I always wondered if L2 would prove to be his level because I just couldn't see he had the tactical nous to compete in L1 and above. I also feared he wouldn't be able to identify and deal with bigger name players, for one thing I don't think his ego would be able to cope. It has to be said that on the few occasions he was allowed to spend decent money on players he was found wanting.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 20, 2019 18:56:06 GMT
Relegation will cost us a damn sight more than a decent striking partner for JCH. At least Deon Moore's signed a short term contract so we've got back up for JCH. If Clarke had not have wasted £570,000 on a "striker" who has scored 2 league goals from open play in 2 seasons, and a fat lazy bastard from Shrewsbury and a no hoper from Aldershot we would be a lot better off. . Snowflake
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Post by smudge1 on Jul 20, 2019 19:00:45 GMT
What about the 85k for Partington
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 19:05:19 GMT
Is £570k a fact? I'd welcome some evidence before agreeing the figure to be true. What is fact is the tedious anti DC drivel on his every post. If he was a Man U fan he'd probably slaughter Sir Alex Fergusons signings, citing Eric Djemba Djemba and Kleberson as examples of his ineptitude. Useless manager! I don't want to get into a spat over this but I would say the following. McAnthony was putting it about that we had paid circa 300k fot TN, the sum of 200k for Payne was generally accepted by all and I recall 80k being quoted for Bernardo. That gives a ball park figure as quoted. I will always be grateful to DC for what he achieved, those 2 seasons and the 3rd to a lesser extent, were truly memorable. However, I always wondered if L2 would prove to be his level because I just couldn't see he had the tactical nous to compete in L1 and above. I also feared he wouldn't be able to identify and deal with bigger name players, for one thing I don't think his ego would be able to cope. It has to be said that on the few occasions he was allowed to spend decent money on players he was found wanting. There are some valid criticisms of DC's recruitment record here, but I'm not sure League 1 really has bigger names and egos. It's League 1 & 2 players, not the likes of Neymar we're talking about. They are all journeymen. Payne was a terrible signing and for whatever reason, Mensah hasn't worked out. Nichols contributes but at £300k plus has so far been shown to be overpriced. For balance though, he spent £150k on Sercombe who, for all his struggles last year would be generally accepted as a very good signing. The likes of Craig, Bonham, THD, Rodman (all signed in League 1) were all good 'cheap' signings. DC's downfall was a failure to replace the goals that were sold out of the team. Taylor, Bodin and Harrison were replaced by Nichols, Bennett and Payne, who are nowhere near as good as the three who departed. But then, those three probably had a value of around £3 million...it was inevitable their replacements wouldn't always be as good. GC has signed a gem in JCH but if he goes, he will face the same challenge that DC had. How to replace the main source of goals with a fraction of his value.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 20, 2019 19:45:52 GMT
It's a fact though,, isn't it? What about his free signings of Bodin, Taylor, wipes out your wasted £500k straight away.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 20, 2019 19:47:29 GMT
So which parts of lpgas's post do you find inaccurate? Prove wed'd be a lot better off!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 20:08:43 GMT
So which parts of lpgas's post do you find inaccurate? Prove wed'd be a lot better off! Not sure I understand your point but if you're happy with those 3 signings and feel they're good value for money that's up to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 21:02:05 GMT
We should just get shot of any manager who has anything less than a 100% success rate in transfer dealings.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 20, 2019 21:16:18 GMT
We should just get shot of any manager who has anything less than a 100% success rate in transfer dealings. Thing is everyone makes an educated guess at some transfer fees and few of them are rarely “facts”. About Tom Ns fee, if McAntony told me today was Saturday I’d check it on a calendar first. He will be trying to make it as big as possible to show himself in the best light. Best not to bite eric over certain posters posts about DC. Some of our transfer business has been very good, some bad and some in the middle, like most clubs. Best to move on. 😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 21:28:03 GMT
We should just get shot of any manager who has anything less than a 100% success rate in transfer dealings. Thing is everyone makes an educated guess at some transfer fees and few of them are rarely “facts”. About Tom Ns fee, if McAntony told me today was Saturday I’d check it on a calendar first. He will be trying to make it as big as possible to show himself in the best light. Best not to bite eric over certain posters posts about DC. Some of our transfer business has been very good, some bad and some in the middle, like most clubs. Best to move on. 😉 UTG! I know but can't help myself sometimes! I agree about McAntony - wouldn't trust much he says and even it was £300k would we have been likely to have paid it all up front? I would guess it's instalments and have parts paid on number of appearances, goals scored, promotion etc... My main gripe is the unnecessary bitching towards our former manager. Yes he wasn't perfect but put his heart and soul into our club and really bought in to what we are about and stuck with us despite his bosses failing to deliver behind the scenes. He wore his heart on his sleeve as seen in his reactions to relegation and promotion. The lasting memories should be of some great times and some "fans" should show more gratitude rather than constant, childish sniping. Anyway, hopefully onwards and upwards with GC. UTG.
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Post by oldgas on Jul 21, 2019 7:05:06 GMT
Thing is everyone makes an educated guess at some transfer fees and few of them are rarely “facts”. About Tom Ns fee, if McAntony told me today was Saturday I’d check it on a calendar first. He will be trying to make it as big as possible to show himself in the best light. Best not to bite eric over certain posters posts about DC. Some of our transfer business has been very good, some bad and some in the middle, like most clubs. Best to move on. 😉 UTG! I know but can't help myself sometimes! I agree about McAntony - wouldn't trust much he says and even it was £300k would we have been likely to have paid it all up front? I would guess it's instalments and have parts paid on number of appearances, goals scored, promotion etc... My main gripe is the unnecessary bitching towards our former manager. Yes he wasn't perfect but put his heart and soul into our club and really bought in to what we are about and stuck with us despite his bosses failing to deliver behind the scenes. He wore his heart on his sleeve as seen in his reactions to relegation and promotion. The lasting memories should be of some great times and some "fans" should show more gratitude rather than constant, childish sniping. Anyway, hopefully onwards and upwards with GC. UTG. I don't know if any of the above was aimed at me but I would like to point out that I haven't indulged in childish sniping. This is a forum for opinion and I believe I expressed mine in a polite and balanced way. DC did very well for the club, but I believe that his cash transfer dealings, possibly with a big influence from MS, were poor. You will also be aware that I never criticised DC whilst he was with us. As you say, onwards and upwards with GC.
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Post by pirate on Jul 21, 2019 7:22:17 GMT
Northern Ireland international Paul Smyth has joined League One club Wycombe Wanderers on a season-long loan deal. Any good, do you know him? Similar signing to our Smith perhaps. Wycombe probably shopping in a place similar to us!😉 UTG! 21-year-old who impressed on loan at Accrington last season with 3 goals and 5 assists from 15 apps. Scored on his Championship debut for QPR and again on his international debut for Northern Ireland. Can play through the middle or in a wider role. I think he'll do well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 8:15:42 GMT
I know but can't help myself sometimes! I agree about McAntony - wouldn't trust much he says and even it was £300k would we have been likely to have paid it all up front? I would guess it's instalments and have parts paid on number of appearances, goals scored, promotion etc... My main gripe is the unnecessary bitching towards our former manager. Yes he wasn't perfect but put his heart and soul into our club and really bought in to what we are about and stuck with us despite his bosses failing to deliver behind the scenes. He wore his heart on his sleeve as seen in his reactions to relegation and promotion. The lasting memories should be of some great times and some "fans" should show more gratitude rather than constant, childish sniping. Anyway, hopefully onwards and upwards with GC. UTG. I don't know if any of the above was aimed at me but I would like to point out that I haven't indulged in childish sniping. This is a forum for opinion and I believe I expressed mine in a polite and balanced way. DC did very well for the club, but I believe that his cash transfer dealings, possibly with a big influence from MS, were poor. You will also be aware that I never criticised DC whilst he was with us. As you say, onwards and upwards with GC. Not aimed at you Oldgas. There is someone who, whatever the thread, feels the need to bore everyone with more negative DC stuff in his every post. I agree that some of the cash purchases, with the benefit of hindsight, have not turned out great but it needs to be balanced against his recruitment of freebies such as Taylor and Bodin. It can't be an easy job for any Rovers Manager to be a success in the transfer market and under the current regime GC and future managers will have the same difficulties of working with one arm tied behind their backs.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 21, 2019 8:17:27 GMT
Any good, do you know him? Similar signing to our Smith perhaps. Wycombe probably shopping in a place similar to us!😉 UTG! 21-year-old who impressed on loan at Accrington last season with 3 goals and 5 assists from 15 apps. Scored on his Championship debut for QPR and again on his international debut for Northern Ireland. Can play through the middle or in a wider role. I think he'll do well. Pretty sure Smyth tore Sunderland's defence apart in the Sky televised game, he looked a very good prospect in that game.
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Post by Gas1977 on Jul 21, 2019 12:03:16 GMT
hopefully a winger and CB.
"Yes please," Coughlan said when asked if he anticipated any signings in the coming week.
"I think you've seen today that we're short in a couple of areas of the team.
"I don't think no rocket science is needed to work that out."We are short, so we do need strengthening in some areas of the team, yes."
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 21, 2019 12:10:14 GMT
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