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Post by yategasman on Aug 18, 2019 15:26:26 GMT
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Post by rambo on Aug 18, 2019 16:42:35 GMT
Bizarre logic. Michael Smith, Tom Lockyer, Ellis Harrison, Lee Brown all got relegated to the conference with us. That does not make them bad players as they went on to prove. Ok so clearly you didn’t read or understand my post previously. I said I don’t like signing players who were just relegated from our league. If we are the ones who get relegated it’s a bit different isn’t it 😂 I did not say “blanket rule of not signing relegated players because they're bad players” Let me give you some examples to clear it up as it is a tough one: Leahy & Upson relegated from L1 = me not so happy Little relegated from Championship = no real problem as he’s come from a higher standard. Essentially if we sign players from teams who get relegated from our league (and we don’t go down), what does it tell us about the ambition of the players we’re signing? I understand your post I just don't agree with it. My example of our players was that looking at it from say, Peterboroughs perspective who were either league 1 or 2 at the time, your logic suggests they shouldn't be happy with that signing. Ditto Will Hoskins - he went to Brighton who had just won league 1 when we went down. If you had read my posts you'd see that I'm in agreement that Leahy is a poor signing. I just don't agree with your view that signing relegated players is automatically bad news which is what you're suggesting. There are players who can do a job at the level they've been relegated from, it's just picking them.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 18, 2019 17:14:42 GMT
Ok so clearly you didn’t read or understand my post previously. I said I don’t like signing players who were just relegated from our league. If we are the ones who get relegated it’s a bit different isn’t it 😂 I did not say “blanket rule of not signing relegated players because they're bad players” Let me give you some examples to clear it up as it is a tough one: Leahy & Upson relegated from L1 = me not so happy Little relegated from Championship = no real problem as he’s come from a higher standard. Essentially if we sign players from teams who get relegated from our league (and we don’t go down), what does it tell us about the ambition of the players we’re signing? I understand your post I just don't agree with it. My example of our players was that looking at it from say, Peterboroughs perspective who were either league 1 or 2 at the time, your logic suggests they shouldn't be happy with that signing. Ditto Will Hoskins - he went to Brighton who had just won league 1 when we went down. If you had read my posts you'd see that I'm in agreement that Leahy is a poor signing. I just don't agree with your view that signing relegated players is automatically bad news which is what you're suggesting. There are players who can do a job at the level they've been relegated from, it's just picking them. Ah ok, it’s just when your post said about them being bad players, I was really thinking “that’s not what I’m saying at all” - but yeah, to your point I would be disappointed in theory being a Peterborough fan and signing Smith on paper. It doesn’t mean he’s a bad player, but it’s just my theory on players which for us, has turned out to be bang on so far. As I said before, it’s not all players and I do agree that you have to pick the right ones but generally speaking I do think there is a reason they went down. Upson & Leahy have shown us that so far. I look forward to Leahy hopefully proving me wrong, but I doubt it will happen. We are so desperate for THD to come back it’s unreal
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Post by rambo on Aug 18, 2019 17:54:13 GMT
I understand your post I just don't agree with it. My example of our players was that looking at it from say, Peterboroughs perspective who were either league 1 or 2 at the time, your logic suggests they shouldn't be happy with that signing. Ditto Will Hoskins - he went to Brighton who had just won league 1 when we went down. If you had read my posts you'd see that I'm in agreement that Leahy is a poor signing. I just don't agree with your view that signing relegated players is automatically bad news which is what you're suggesting. There are players who can do a job at the level they've been relegated from, it's just picking them. Ah ok, it’s just when your post said about them being bad players, I was really thinking “that’s not what I’m saying at all” - but yeah, to your point I would be disappointed in theory being a Peterborough fan and signing Smith on paper. It doesn’t mean he’s a bad player, but it’s just my theory on players which for us, has turned out to be bang on so far. As I said before, it’s not all players and I do agree that you have to pick the right ones but generally speaking I do think there is a reason they went down. Upson & Leahy have shown us that so far. I look forward to Leahy hopefully proving me wrong, but I doubt it will happen. We are so desperate for THD to come back it’s unreal I fear that even THD would have had big problems yesterday as it was 2 v 1 far too often. Perhaps Leahy in front of THD or vice versa could work but that would require Coughlan to play with wingers!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 18, 2019 19:18:11 GMT
IMO THD is a tremendous player, no disrespect to Leahy, he is not in the same class as Tareiq.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 18, 2019 19:23:20 GMT
IMO THD is a tremendous player, no disrespect to Leahy, he is not in the same class as Tareiq. True, but whats the point if he is always injured?
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Post by saddlesore on Aug 18, 2019 20:38:27 GMT
Walsall fan in peace. Like someone commented above you probably don't give a stuff on my opinion...but I'll give it anyway. Luke Leahy is possibly the worst left back I have ever seen at Walsall in 30+ years that has played so many games. His positional sense is atrocious - he just doesn't understand where he should be on the pitch when facing an opponent or if they have possession. I can understand why he may impress from certain stats and in a trial, as technically he can strike a ball well. The crosses stat is misleading though - most go out of play or aren't anywhere near the forwards. I've never seen a player put so many free kicks straight into touch. Thats how poor our manager was that didn't recognise this and take him off duty. He did it 2 or 3 times at your place last year. Yes he was part of a poor team, that was very badly organised defensively so any organisation will help, but he was still personally and directly responsible for so many goals from unforced errors and that will still happen in a decent defence. Worse still he would then visibly blame and berate others for his mistakes and caused terrible disharmony in the squad. A egotistical bad apple based on nothing but his own opinion of himself. Having said all that, he is clearly suited to one position - wing back. If you play that and he can be taught how to cross then you may get lucky. Otherwise, good luck! I'm just glad he's gone, whatever level we are playing at. PS. He scored one penalty against his old club, but missed others by hitting them ALL weakly to the keeper's right. Look out for that if he takes one for you. Hi, resident Walsall "WUM" here. Or could it be that I'm not a WUM and my assessment based on seeing Leahy play almost 100 games was actually spot on? Rhetorical question btw, judging by what I've read on here for the last month or so. Those trying to defend him by saying he hasn't got much protection in front of him are just providing sympathetic excuses. Even when he was covered by Josh Ginelly (one of the hardest working wingers I've seen at Walsall - before he was sold to Preston last January) he still made individual error after error. I've been watching your highlights with interest, and that hasn't changed. Good luck, and hope your main LB is back from injury, or you switch to 3-5-2 soon.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 18, 2019 20:43:52 GMT
Walsall fan in peace. Like someone commented above you probably don't give a stuff on my opinion...but I'll give it anyway. Luke Leahy is possibly the worst left back I have ever seen at Walsall in 30+ years that has played so many games. His positional sense is atrocious - he just doesn't understand where he should be on the pitch when facing an opponent or if they have possession. I can understand why he may impress from certain stats and in a trial, as technically he can strike a ball well. The crosses stat is misleading though - most go out of play or aren't anywhere near the forwards. I've never seen a player put so many free kicks straight into touch. Thats how poor our manager was that didn't recognise this and take him off duty. He did it 2 or 3 times at your place last year. Yes he was part of a poor team, that was very badly organised defensively so any organisation will help, but he was still personally and directly responsible for so many goals from unforced errors and that will still happen in a decent defence. Worse still he would then visibly blame and berate others for his mistakes and caused terrible disharmony in the squad. A egotistical bad apple based on nothing but his own opinion of himself. Having said all that, he is clearly suited to one position - wing back. If you play that and he can be taught how to cross then you may get lucky. Otherwise, good luck! I'm just glad he's gone, whatever level we are playing at. PS. He scored one penalty against his old club, but missed others by hitting them ALL weakly to the keeper's right. Look out for that if he takes one for you. Hi, resident Walsall "WUM" here. Or could it be that I'm not a WUM and my assessment based on seeing Leahy play almost 100 games was actually spot on? Rhetorical question btw, judging by what I've read on here for the last month or so. Those trying to defend him by saying he hasn't got much protection in front of him are just providing sympathetic excuses. Even when he was covered by Josh Ginelly (one of the hardest working wingers I've seen at Walsall - before he was sold to Preston last January) he still made individual error after error. I've been watching your highlights with interest, and that hasn't changed. Good luck, and hope your main LB is back from injury, or you switch to 3-5-2 soon. You were spot on. Good luck for the season.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 18, 2019 20:49:18 GMT
IMO THD is a tremendous player, no disrespect to Leahy, he is not in the same class as Tareiq. True, but whats the point if he is always injured? Indeed. See also: Rodman. We still haven’t adequately replaced Lee Brown tbh.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Aug 28, 2019 19:00:57 GMT
Remember when Leahy had one bad game and that meant he was an awful signing and all the Walsall fans were right? Considering he's now had 2 good games does that mean the exact opposite? Or maybe we shouldn't have judged a player after 3 games to start off with
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Post by socrates on Aug 28, 2019 19:19:03 GMT
Remember when Leahy had one bad game and that meant he was an awful signing and all the Walsall fans were right? Considering he's now had 2 good games does that mean the exact opposite? Or maybe we shouldn't have judged a player after 3 games to start off with True, Also lee brown wasn’t the best defensively but was a very good attacking fullback. The best fullbacks that can do it all aren’t in league 1 they’re in the Premier league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 19:20:39 GMT
Remember when Leahy had one bad game and that meant he was an awful signing and all the Walsall fans were right? Considering he's now had 2 good games does that mean the exact opposite? Or maybe we shouldn't have judged a player after 3 games to start off with We’ve got a long way to go until we have the wealth of evidence that Walsall fan had to judge him on. As such I still suspect they were right. To put it another way it’s like Payne having one good game for Tranmere and that invalidates Rovers fans opinions, I’m sure you would agree that that would not be correct. Or Walsall fans writing Clarke off as rubbish because he lost a couple of games. Pompey fans seem to have Bennett summed up pretty well too. So from my POV, opposition fans usually aren’t too far wide of the mark
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 28, 2019 19:39:34 GMT
On the basis of a clean slate, like every new signing should be given, Leahy has done well in my opinion. It’s just in some cases, he’s fighting against a huge deficit in that some Rovers supporters have heard only negativity from another clubs fans and taken it as gospel.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 28, 2019 19:56:05 GMT
Remember when Leahy had one bad game and that meant he was an awful signing and all the Walsall fans were right? Considering he's now had 2 good games does that mean the exact opposite? Or maybe we shouldn't have judged a player after 3 games to start off with We’ve got a long way to go until we have the wealth of evidence that Walsall fan had to judge him on. As such I still suspect they were right. To put it another way it’s like Payne having one good game for Tranmere and that invalidates Rovers fans opinions, I’m sure you would agree that that would not be correct. Or Walsall fans writing Clarke off as rubbish because he lost a couple of games. Pompey fans seem to have Bennett summed up pretty well too. So from my POV, opposition fans usually aren’t too far wide of the mark It was 2 bad games that Leahy had, not one. So he’s had one very good game and one decent game. No doubt the jury is still out on Leahy IMO
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Post by socrates on Aug 28, 2019 19:56:30 GMT
Has a tendency to switch off and let his winger run around the back of him down the line whilst he’s following play in the middle from what I’ve seen , but then so do half the fullbacks in league 1. And he is decent going forward. Good and bad from him so far and I think THD is probably a much better player but with his injury problems Leahy is worth more to us probably.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Aug 28, 2019 20:51:09 GMT
We’ve got a long way to go until we have the wealth of evidence that Walsall fan had to judge him on. As such I still suspect they were right. To put it another way it’s like Payne having one good game for Tranmere and that invalidates Rovers fans opinions, I’m sure you would agree that that would not be correct. Or Walsall fans writing Clarke off as rubbish because he lost a couple of games. Pompey fans seem to have Bennett summed up pretty well too. So from my POV, opposition fans usually aren’t too far wide of the mark It was 2 bad games that Leahy had, not one. So he’s had one very good game and one decent game. No doubt the jury is still out on Leahy IMO His scores this season have been, based upon the player ratings threads. 2-0 L to Blackpool: 5 0-0 D to Wycombe: 5.4 3-0 W to Cheltenham: 6.9 2-0 L to Coventry: 4.4 2-0 W to Tranmere: 6.5 3-1 W to Oxford: 7 2-1 L to Brighton: 7.2 (7.3 if you round up, unsure how the creator does it) Makes his average for the season a 6.06
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Post by stuartcampbell on Aug 28, 2019 20:56:46 GMT
Remember when Leahy had one bad game and that meant he was an awful signing and all the Walsall fans were right? Considering he's now had 2 good games does that mean the exact opposite? Or maybe we shouldn't have judged a player after 3 games to start off with We’ve got a long way to go until we have the wealth of evidence that Walsall fan had to judge him on. As such I still suspect they were right. To put it another way it’s like Payne having one good game for Tranmere and that invalidates Rovers fans opinions, I’m sure you would agree that that would not be correct. Or Walsall fans writing Clarke off as rubbish because he lost a couple of games. Pompey fans seem to have Bennett summed up pretty well too. So from my POV, opposition fans usually aren’t too far wide of the mark I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm pointing out how fickle our fans' opinions seem to be. After 3 games he's immediately the worst player in the world, and Walsall fans were all right! We don't have enough evidence to say either way so far. But based on his average off of the player ratings thread (a 6.06). That's only slightly worse than Holmes-Dennis (6.44) and Kelly (6.12) from last season. So his performances do hardly fill the "he's the worst defender we've had in 20 years" quota
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 28, 2019 21:00:48 GMT
We’ve got a long way to go until we have the wealth of evidence that Walsall fan had to judge him on. As such I still suspect they were right. To put it another way it’s like Payne having one good game for Tranmere and that invalidates Rovers fans opinions, I’m sure you would agree that that would not be correct. Or Walsall fans writing Clarke off as rubbish because he lost a couple of games. Pompey fans seem to have Bennett summed up pretty well too. So from my POV, opposition fans usually aren’t too far wide of the mark I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm pointing out how fickle our fans' opinions seem to be. After 3 games he's immediately the worst player in the world, and Walsall fans were all right! We don't have enough evidence to say either way so far. But based on his average off of the player ratings thread (a 6.06). That's only slightly worse than Holmes-Dennis (6.44) and Kelly (6.12) from last season. So his performances do hardly fill the "he's the worst defender we've had in 20 years" quota If Luke Leahy is the ‘worst left back we’ve ever had’, someone hasn’t been watching Rovers for very long.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 28, 2019 21:16:14 GMT
Because of the style of player he is, he’s someone who’s really benefited from our switch from a back 4 to a back 3/5.
If we’d continued playing a back 4 then personally I’d have liked to see Kelly take his place, but Leahy is an ideal LWB and THD will have a job getting that spot off him once he’s back too.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Aug 28, 2019 21:32:35 GMT
Because of the style of player he is, he’s someone who’s really benefited from our switch from a back 4 to a back 3/5. If we’d continued playing a back 4 then personally I’d have liked to see Kelly take his place, but Leahy is an ideal LWB and THD will have a job getting that spot off him once he’s back too. THD is less likely to get injured if he's sat on the bench. That could be the answer to stop him getting injured on a regular basis.
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