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Post by madgas on Jul 22, 2019 17:18:48 GMT
Crazy post. The one thing I'll guarantee you is that the team is physical enough. Also that "physical" agenda seems from a bygone agenda. Is there enough skill? More doubtful but hey why wait until the season starts to slag off the boys... eh? Didn't we only improve last season when we finally replaced Harrison with JCH? In the Premiership you don't need to be physical but you certainly do at this level. Not sure it was only when JCH came in but I take your point. However, the point is more "physicality" is exactly what got us as far as it did. We had that under GC in spades. It was consistently obvious. It was also picked up by local reporters. Yet- the modern game requests a little subtlety than brute force. In my opinion, the OP is posting negatively about one quality we clearly have. Which to me is nuts in sunny July. I look at the squad and see much improvement. With more likely coming I think this sort of post should hold on. I think if were going to be critical- the question is do we have that magician that can run a tight game? It will be an interesting season for sure.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 22, 2019 17:30:44 GMT
I didnt realise we were in the relegation zone with no chance of survial already...?? Lets see how the first few games pan out and also what we really look like once the transfer window closes. No need to be so negative just yet. The players we have signed are equivilant to or an upgrade on what we had previously IMO. As regards the development squad, I would say it probably cost somewhere more in the region of £1m to operate once you take into consideration all the coaches fees, wages, physio support, scouting etc. Micheal Kelly and Alfie Kilgour both stepped up last year. Deon Moore has short term contract after spending the last 6 months in the U23's and Luke Russe also has potential to improve and has been in a few matchday squads. So its not as dramatic as you are making out. Dont forget the dev squad games are also used for 1st team players to play to keep them match sharp or gain match fitness without exhausting your first team squad and arranging fixtures purely for that purpose. That will then enable the dev squad to play with and learn from them. I think the main problem is we release players far too early previously without giving them time to develop properly. What if we had kept Tyrone Mings until he was 22, it could have been a different story. I'm not sure how many are an improvement if I'm honest. Early days but:
Are either keeper as good as Bonham. Only based on one performance it's true but Jaakkola didn't look as good.
Little may be an improvement on Leadbitter and Partington. Not convinced he's a better defender than J.Clarke, better going forward though.
Davies isn't a patch on Lockyer.
Leahy not as good as the injured Holmes-Dennis.
Lines and Sinclair released but not replaced.
Is Smith an improvment on Jakubiak? Not sure.
Personally, I'd say we're not as strong as last season but time will tell.
Jury will be out on the keepers I will agree with. But let’s remember Bonham wasn’t ours, Smith and Slocombe were, and from what I have seen both are an upgrade on those 2. Little is much better than Partington and as a complete footballer, better than JC. He can also cross a ball as well as being twice the athlete. He’s been promoted out of this league and has championship experience. JC and JP have gone to L2 and the conference. What does that tell you. Davies is as competent as Locks was. I’ve seen Davies a good few times before he came to the gas and we have a good reliable centre half on our hands. Leahy is better than THD because THD is broken, possibly for good. A fit THD is a very handy player for this league, but he can hardly last 70 mins on a good day. Leahy is fit as a butchers dog, has a great left foot on him and if I was JCH I would be licking my lips about having him on the flank. He also has potential to improve the defensive side of his game and be a good prospect. Where I feel THD is more fighting for his career than anything else. Smith has the potential to be an astute striker and is as good if not better than Jakubiak IMO. Lines and Sinclair didn’t need replacing. They didn’t play under GC and it was clear neither were in his plans. We had Upson, Clarke, Ogogo, Russe and Sercombe as central midfielders as well as those 2. Personally I would like to see someone like Jombati come in for Craig. Add another striker and send TN out on loan and maybe add another creative midfielder/winger to the squad.
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Post by lpgas on Jul 22, 2019 19:24:56 GMT
Coughlan gone by Christmas, another relegation scrap HA Ha, I bet you are still sad that Clarke got the boot . Truth is our defence is stronger than it was. Yes Lockyer was a good defender, but his passing was abysmal. Charlton will sort that out. We have seen the best of Lines and as For Sinclair, headless chicken style of footy doesn't win games
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Post by stapletongas on Jul 22, 2019 19:37:38 GMT
Coughlan gone by Christmas, another relegation scrap HA Ha, I bet you are still sad that Clarke got the boot . Truth is our defence is stronger than it was. Yes Lockyer was a good defender, but his passing was abysmal. Charlton will sort that out. We have seen the best of Lines and as For Sinclair, headless chicken style of footy doesn't win games Sorry to burst your bubble, but you seem to think you can somehow read my mind. Not as smart or knowledgable as you clearly think you are. For the record I hope I'm wrong about Coughlan and the coming season, because the club comes first.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jul 22, 2019 19:38:08 GMT
If nothing else, the very two things GC brought to last seasons side was making us very hard to break down/Solid at the back and out of nowhere giving us a physical edge to our game with that added bite. All of a sudden we were leaving the odd afters on the opposition and battling for every single ball in the tackle. To question the lack of physicality in the team is a strange one.
I’m more than confident this squad will surprise a few this coming season, no less the nay sayers before a ball has been kicked. Roll on Blackpool.
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Post by singupgas on Jul 22, 2019 20:30:47 GMT
If we can bring in in 2 starting 11 quality players still, I would bust a nut and have 2 wide players come in.
I would like to JCH and Deon Moore start up front, both big strong players and don't let defenders bully them.
Please make it happen Gas, as we are I tend to agree we are not good enough. We need people who are able to create chances for our strikers.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 22, 2019 20:33:26 GMT
If we can bring in in 2 starting 11 quality players still, I would bust a nut and have 2 wide players come in. I would like to JCH and Deon Moore start up front, both big strong players and don't let defenders bully them. Please make it happen Gas, as we are I tend to agree we are not good enough. We need people who are able to create chances for our strikers. Can anyone actually see this happening? I for one can't, it'll be young inexperienced players.
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Post by singupgas on Jul 22, 2019 20:37:56 GMT
If we can bring in in 2 starting 11 quality players still, I would bust a nut and have 2 wide players come in. I would like to JCH and Deon Moore start up front, both big strong players and don't let defenders bully them. Please make it happen Gas, as we are I tend to agree we are not good enough. We need people who are able to create chances for our strikers. Can anyone actually see this happening? I for one can't, it'll be young inexperienced players. I can't either. I don't know what is wrong with BRFC, it is so obvious what we need it is frightening. And it is sad we do not have people at the club willing to give the team every chance to do well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:45:56 GMT
Couglan is bringing a completely different style of play in for this season. If it goes wrong and we aren’t as good as he hoped then we will resort back to last seasons style which kept us up. I am more than happy with cogs being here he’s gotten rid of all the hangers on in the playing and coaching side of things. The transfers so far for me have been good yes we’d all like a striker but the defensive acquisitions have been very good. Little is a championship quality player Davis will also be good this year imo. We are in for a better season this year if anything we will be more prepared than last year
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 22, 2019 20:46:01 GMT
Can anyone actually see this happening? I for one can't, it'll be young inexperienced players. I can't either. I don't know what is wrong with BRFC, it is so obvious what we need it is frightening. And it is sad we do not have people at the club willing to give the team every chance to do well. It seems to be the same every season, we can see it, GC can see it.....
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Post by singupgas on Jul 22, 2019 21:38:08 GMT
I can't either. I don't know what is wrong with BRFC, it is so obvious what we need it is frightening. And it is sad we do not have people at the club willing to give the team every chance to do well. It seems to be the same every season, we can see it, GC can see it..... I hope GC sees it. Who do you think doesn't see it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 22:19:11 GMT
Couglan is bringing a completely different style of play in for this season. If it goes wrong and we aren’t as good as he hoped then we will resort back to last seasons style which kept us up. I am more than happy with cogs being here he’s gotten rid of all the hangers on in the playing and coaching side of things. The transfers so far for me have been good yes we’d all like a striker but the defensive acquisitions have been very good. Little is a championship quality player Davis will also be good this year imo. We are in for a better season this year if anything we will be more prepared than last year If you seriously believe were going to play a pressing game with high line back four your going to be very disappointed in my view. If thats not what your thinking please tell me this brand new style coughlan is introducing?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 0:34:51 GMT
Couglan is bringing a completely different style of play in for this season. If it goes wrong and we aren’t as good as he hoped then we will resort back to last seasons style which kept us up. I am more than happy with cogs being here he’s gotten rid of all the hangers on in the playing and coaching side of things. The transfers so far for me have been good yes we’d all like a striker but the defensive acquisitions have been very good. Little is a championship quality player Davis will also be good this year imo. We are in for a better season this year if anything we will be more prepared than last year If you seriously believe were going to play a pressing game with high line back four your going to be very disappointed in my view. If thats not what your thinking please tell me this brand new style coughlan is introducing? the fact little and Leahy have come in points out to me that we are going to have proper attacking fullbacks which opens up multiple different formations. We can play the diamond properly as we’ve got a rb who isn’t a converted cb and a lb who can cross properly. This also opens up 5-3-2 however 5-3-2 is very negative so I don’t think we should be playing that formation. I don’t feel like we are going to sit back like we did last season as it would make no sense to do so with such attacking full backs. We were only as defensive as we were because we didn’t have a right back who could get forwards and back consistently adding to that we had little to no quality and needed to grind out results. I’ve already seen a change in the pre season games I’ve seen there’s a lot more crosses along the floor and our wingers come to the back post for crosses from the other side. That is a big difference from what we were doing before which is helped by the fact we have quality crossers from both lb and rb.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 0:56:14 GMT
If you seriously believe were going to play a pressing game with high line back four your going to be very disappointed in my view. If thats not what your thinking please tell me this brand new style coughlan is introducing? the fact little and Leahy have come in points out to me that we are going to have proper attacking fullbacks which opens up multiple different formations. We can play the diamond properly as we’ve got a rb who isn’t a converted cb and a lb who can cross properly. This also opens up 5-3-2 however 5-3-2 is very negative so I don’t think we should be playing that formation. I don’t feel like we are going to sit back like we did last season as it would make no sense to do so with such attacking full backs. We were only as defensive as we were because we didn’t have a right back who could get forwards and back consistently adding to that we had little to no quality and needed to grind out results. I’ve already seen a change in the pre season games I’ve seen there’s a lot more crosses along the floor and our wingers come to the back post for crosses from the other side. That is a big difference from what we were doing before which is helped by the fact we have quality crossers from both lb and rb. Thanks for explaining your view of how you think were intending to play this season and i agree coughlan wants the full backs to be more effective going forward than last seasons options. I still feel like were going to be sitting deep and playing very cautiously and in a negative fashion with the players available elsewhere on the pitch but lets hope not. I just dont believe we have enough quality to take the game to many league one teams but maybe i will be surprised? Soon find out.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jul 23, 2019 2:15:31 GMT
We have been playing the pressing game in most if not all pre season games so far & its been a joy to see. Tyler Smith/Nichols have been defending from the front, chasing down every pass along the back line, Ollie has been putting in his standard ‘crunchers’ and even Bennett has been chasing down/putting his tackles in.
We’re hassling, chasing down that ball more now than we ever have been, in the last god knows how long.
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Post by GasAttacK on Jul 23, 2019 8:01:10 GMT
I'm not sure how many are an improvement if I'm honest. Early days but:
Are either keeper as good as Bonham. Only based on one performance it's true but Jaakkola didn't look as good.
Little may be an improvement on Leadbitter and Partington. Not convinced he's a better defender than J.Clarke, better going forward though.
Davies isn't a patch on Lockyer.
Leahy not as good as the injured Holmes-Dennis.
Lines and Sinclair released but not replaced.
Is Smith an improvment on Jakubiak? Not sure.
Personally, I'd say we're not as strong as last season but time will tell.
Jury will be out on the keepers I will agree with. But let’s remember Bonham wasn’t ours, Smith and Slocombe were, and from what I have seen both are an upgrade on those 2. Little is much better than Partington and as a complete footballer, better than JC. He can also cross a ball as well as being twice the athlete. He’s been promoted out of this league and has championship experience. JC and JP have gone to L2 and the conference. What does that tell you. Davies is as competent as Locks was. I’ve seen Davies a good few times before he came to the gas and we have a good reliable centre half on our hands. Leahy is better than THD because THD is broken, possibly for good. A fit THD is a very handy player for this league, but he can hardly last 70 mins on a good day. Leahy is fit as a butchers dog, has a great left foot on him and if I was JCH I would be licking my lips about having him on the flank. He also has potential to improve the defensive side of his game and be a good prospect. Where I feel THD is more fighting for his career than anything else. Smith has the potential to be an astute striker and is as good if not better than Jakubiak IMO. Lines and Sinclair didn’t need replacing. They didn’t play under GC and it was clear neither were in his plans. We had Upson, Clarke, Ogogo, Russe and Sercombe as central midfielders as well as those 2. Personally I would like to see someone like Jombati come in for Craig. Add another striker and send TN out on loan and maybe add another creative midfielder/winger to the squad. I'm always slightly pessimistic to be fair.
I was just trying to compare this years team with last years team and the only position I can see that we're likely to be stronger in is right back. Even that is open to debate as James Clarke was many peoples POTY last season.
I know Bonham wasn't our player but he was with us all last season and played a big part in our excellent defensive record. I'm not convinced either of our new keepers are as good.
Davies might be competent but he lacks pace compared to Locks and playing alongside an ageing Craig that is a concern. I think we'll miss Lockyer more than some realise.
I can't help but be concerned about Leahy as a defender. 95% of Walsall fans seem to think he's one of the worst players they've seen. Compare that to when they signed JC of us with 95% of our fans saying that they'd signed a good player. THD only made 21 appearances last season but without him we are weaker in my opinion.
Central midfield is my biggest concern. No pace or creativity. We've got nobody creative, that can pick a pass or run with the ball at speed. Lines could do this at his best. Not any longer it's true but I do think he needed replacing. Upson, Clarke, Ogogo, Russe are all too similar and Sercombe is anonymous when he plays in the middle.
Numbers wise we're okay up front. Much the same as last year with Smith replacing Jakubiak. Whether he's as good remains to be seen but his record to date isn't any better.
I think we're 2 or 3 players short of a mid table side. Preferably midfielders both central and out wide to add a bit of pace and creativity. GC has said he wants at least a couple more. I'm just hoping they're better than what we've got and not just bench warners.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2019 8:09:13 GMT
peterparker, I don't disagree with allowing Lines/Sinclair to leave ,the same way I wouldn't disagree with Bennett going but you are having a laugh if you seriously believe that any of our development squad are capable of replacing them! My problem is not who we release but who we replace them with!! So are you saying that Sinclair is a better than Abu Ogogo, because he was the direct replacement for the beard IMO Abu Ogogo is far better than Sinclair has ever been for us
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Post by toddy1953 on Jul 23, 2019 8:35:35 GMT
peterparker, I don't disagree with allowing Lines/Sinclair to leave ,the same way I wouldn't disagree with Bennett going but you are having a laugh if you seriously believe that any of our development squad are capable of replacing them! My problem is not who we release but who we replace them with!! So are you saying that Sinclair is a better than Abu Ogogo, because he was the direct replacement for the beard IMO Abu Ogogo is far better than Sinclair has ever been for us Henbury, are you on a wind up? From what I have seen Ogogo isn’t any better than the Beard as a player. The Beard was a great ball winner for us, his ball retention was excellent, although some would moan about a sideways or backwards pass, at least he passed it & it was up to the so called creative players to build from that. Unfortunately his style of play made him injury prone & we certainly missed him when he was out. if you couple that with his enthusiasm, his ambassadorial role within the club & the community, Ogogo is a million miles behind at the moment IMO
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 23, 2019 9:09:44 GMT
So are you saying that Sinclair is a better than Abu Ogogo, because he was the direct replacement for the beard IMO Abu Ogogo is far better than Sinclair has ever been for us Henbury, are you on a wind up? From what I have seen Ogogo isn’t any better than the Beard as a player. The Beard was a great ball winner for us, his ball retention was excellent, although some would moan about a sideways or backwards pass, at least he passed it & it was up to the so called creative players to build from that. Unfortunately his style of play made him injury prone & we certainly missed him when he was out. if you couple that with his enthusiasm, his ambassadorial role within the club & the community, Ogogo is a million miles behind at the moment IMO The last 18 months or so, Sincs spent most of the time on the treatment table or out of form. L1 was a step too far for him. Thats not discrediting him, thats just the football pyramid. Ogogo has spent most of his career at L1 level and is equally as good as Sincs in a tackle and also has slightly more vision.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2019 9:11:14 GMT
So are you saying that Sinclair is a better than Abu Ogogo, because he was the direct replacement for the beard IMO Abu Ogogo is far better than Sinclair has ever been for us Henbury, are you on a wind up? From what I have seen Ogogo isn’t any better than the Beard as a player. The Beard was a great ball winner for us, his ball retention was excellent, although some would moan about a sideways or backwards pass, at least he passed it & it was up to the so called creative players to build from that. Unfortunately his style of play made him injury prone & we certainly missed him when he was out. if you couple that with his enthusiasm, his ambassadorial role within the club & the community, Ogogo is a million miles behind at the moment IMO No wind up at all just my opinion. As much as i love the beard, he was never consistent ir reliable enough and always looked to be injured towards the end of the season. SO far what i've watched of Agogo, his ball control and passing are better and on par with the beard when it comes to tackling. Only time will tell if he is less injury prone
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