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Post by stapletongas on Jul 30, 2019 7:13:45 GMT
Well imagine my surprise! Not end of last season or beginning of this. Just shows though how the truth can hurt. 10 minutes on a presentation and it was all done. What truth and who is hurting? How many are hurting?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 7:34:59 GMT
Not even going to bother reading this thread, and only here to comment on what an utter twat gasincider and his cronies are. Imagine being Masters little lap dog, and thinking people are impressed, the bloke is a forking dinosaur, and shouldn’t be anywhere near the club. He can’t even get a decent haircut, or buy a suit that fits 😂 The sooner these people have disappeared from ‘supporting’ the club, the better it’ll be for everyone. UTG What is a decent haircut? It’s a zero on the back and sides and a two on top. Looked good when I was 20... Not so sure now though !
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 30, 2019 8:14:20 GMT
I can’t understand the number of people on this thread who seem to be blind faith cheer leaders for the current ownership. Wael is a nice fella probably but he is a weak leader and has failed to deliver on every substantial promise including blowing the best chance that this club has ever had of a decent stadium.
His apologists all hark at how he didn’t deliver UWE because it wasn’t in the interests of the FC but it is just as likely if not more so that it wasn’t something that “the family” wanted to commit their cash to. As I’ve said before the late great Geoff Dunford saw no problem with a 125 year lease or the terms that Higgs had negotiated. But then the previous owners perhaps weren’t looking at it from their own personal interests ahead of the FCs so much as the current owners.
Personally I trust that the Supporters Club have the best interests of the FC very close to their heart and have an emotional shareholding far greater than their monetary one, as most supporters do. I think they are right to be cynical about the current ownership and their motives for not delivering on promises but I think they also need to be far more open and communicate publicly and properly with the fan base if they have concerns about the direction that the club is being taken or that opportunities are being thwarted.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 30, 2019 8:45:11 GMT
I can’t understand the number of people on this thread who seem to be blind faith cheer leaders for the current ownership. Wael is a nice fella probably but he is a weak leader and has failed to deliver on every substantial promise including blowing the best chance that this club has ever had of a decent stadium. His apologists all hark at how he didn’t deliver UWE because it wasn’t in the interests of the FC but it is just as likely if not more so that it wasn’t something that “the family” wanted to commit their cash to. As I’ve said before the late great Geoff Dunford saw no problem with a 125 year lease or the terms that Higgs had negotiated. But then the previous owners perhaps weren’t looking at it from their own personal interests ahead of the FCs so much as the current owners. Personally I trust that the Supporters Club have the best interests of the FC very close to their heart and have an emotional shareholding far greater than their monetary one, as most supporters do. I think they are right to be cynical about the current ownership and their motives for not delivering on promises but I think they also need to be far more open and communicate publicly and properly with the fan base if they have concerns about the direction that the club is being taken or that opportunities are being thwarted. I must have missed something. Could you point me to something the Fans Director has released? Cheers.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 30, 2019 8:48:19 GMT
I can’t understand the number of people on this thread who seem to be blind faith cheer leaders for the current ownership. Wael is a nice fella probably but he is a weak leader and has failed to deliver on every substantial promise including blowing the best chance that this club has ever had of a decent stadium. His apologists all hark at how he didn’t deliver UWE because it wasn’t in the interests of the FC but it is just as likely if not more so that it wasn’t something that “the family” wanted to commit their cash to. As I’ve said before the late great Geoff Dunford saw no problem with a 125 year lease or the terms that Higgs had negotiated. But then the previous owners perhaps weren’t looking at it from their own personal interests ahead of the FCs so much as the current owners. Personally I trust that the Supporters Club have the best interests of the FC very close to their heart and have an emotional shareholding far greater than their monetary one, as most supporters do. I think they are right to be cynical about the current ownership and their motives for not delivering on promises but I think they also need to be far more open and communicate publicly and properly with the fan base if they have concerns about the direction that the club is being taken or that opportunities are being thwarted. I must have missed something. Could you point me to something the Fans Director has released? Cheers. That’s one of my points isn’t it?
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jul 30, 2019 9:06:07 GMT
Wasn’t it Jim & co who dummy spat because Wael and the players didn’t partake in an OPEN TOP BUS PARADE for finishing 3rd in league two? But instead decided to join their supporters on Gloucester Road to celebrate automatic promotion immediately after the game, before finishing at a hotel in town?
It’s safe to announce the SC really are a different breed.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 30, 2019 10:06:55 GMT
I can’t understand the number of people on this thread who seem to be blind faith cheer leaders for the current ownership. Wael is a nice fella probably but he is a weak leader and has failed to deliver on every substantial promise including blowing the best chance that this club has ever had of a decent stadium. His apologists all hark at how he didn’t deliver UWE because it wasn’t in the interests of the FC but it is just as likely if not more so that it wasn’t something that “the family” wanted to commit their cash to. As I’ve said before the late great Geoff Dunford saw no problem with a 125 year lease or the terms that Higgs had negotiated. But then the previous owners perhaps weren’t looking at it from their own personal interests ahead of the FCs so much as the current owners. Personally I trust that the Supporters Club have the best interests of the FC very close to their heart and have an emotional shareholding far greater than their monetary one, as most supporters do. I think they are right to be cynical about the current ownership and their motives for not delivering on promises but I think they also need to be far more open and communicate publicly and properly with the fan base if they have concerns about the direction that the club is being taken or that opportunities are being thwarted. I must have missed something. Could you point me to something the Fans Director has released? Cheers. Can the FD actually release anything or is he precluded from doing so by a NDA??
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 30, 2019 10:11:57 GMT
I really feel this thread has become a bit of a pishing contest and should be locked; we are just over 4 days away from our first league game and this is dragging on.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 30, 2019 10:41:05 GMT
I can’t understand the number of people on this thread who seem to be blind faith cheer leaders for the current ownership. Wael is a nice fella probably but he is a weak leader and has failed to deliver on every substantial promise including blowing the best chance that this club has ever had of a decent stadium. His apologists all hark at how he didn’t deliver UWE because it wasn’t in the interests of the FC but it is just as likely if not more so that it wasn’t something that “the family” wanted to commit their cash to. As I’ve said before the late great Geoff Dunford saw no problem with a 125 year lease or the terms that Higgs had negotiated. But then the previous owners perhaps weren’t looking at it from their own personal interests ahead of the FCs so much as the current owners. Personally I trust that the Supporters Club have the best interests of the FC very close to their heart and have an emotional shareholding far greater than their monetary one, as most supporters do. I think they are right to be cynical about the current ownership and their motives for not delivering on promises but I think they also need to be far more open and communicate publicly and properly with the fan base if they have concerns about the direction that the club is being taken or that opportunities are being thwarted. Its not blind faith. If you read most of my posts on here I have been highly critical of our board and ownership. But I like to think I am a believer and speaker of truth and and happy to point out when I see a toxic agenda at play which is coming from inside our own club, connected to the board room via the SC and minority shareholders. Cynicism is one thing, but conducting yourself to ask the correct questions and present that in a manner to achieve results is quite the other. Masters will know exactly why the UWE fell through, as does Hamer and they will know how hard some people worked to get the stadium built in the past 12 months only for UWE to change their minds. The SC, over the past 18 months have shown pretty much to act within their own interests. GI, Knowall and a few others that post are contemporaries of Masters, who is in cahoots with Hamer to disrupt and cause trouble for the club in any way they can. This being an example, to try and cause dissent amongst the fans. Ask yourself, why has Hamer been stripped of all authority within the club? Why do we have a supporters club which works against, and not with the club? Why does a supporters club only have 25% representation (figures quoted from GI) of the fanbase? It should be closer to 60% if they were actually a force for good. The whole set up is poisonous at the top, and whilst I admit, a few won't support the view of those running it, the contempt those people have will filter downwards.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 30, 2019 10:43:14 GMT
and on a lighter note :-
Is Today the Day ?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 30, 2019 10:44:13 GMT
I must have missed something. Could you point me to something the Fans Director has released? Cheers. Can the FD actually release anything or is he precluded from doing so by a NDA?? He will not be able to discuss official club business as he is bound by the rules of being a director. But he can happily comment on anything the SC are doing to help the club or want support for, which is what he should be doing.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 30, 2019 10:45:44 GMT
I really feel this thread has become a bit of a pishing contest and should be locked; we are just over 4 days away from our first league game and this is dragging on. No it hasn't. Its just shaming the people who are hell bent on causing trouble and dissension amongst the fan base and showing what levels they will stoop to feed their agenda. Its worth remembering that these people call themselves fans.......apparently.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 30, 2019 10:59:34 GMT
I really feel this thread has become a bit of a pishing contest and should be locked; we are just over 4 days away from our first league game and this is dragging on. No it hasn't. Its just shaming the people who are hell bent on causing trouble and dissension amongst the fan base and showing what levels they will stoop to feed their agenda. Its worth remembering that these people call themselves fans.......apparently. I understand that, I also feel that point has been made.
Up the GAS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:10:21 GMT
This is simply another thread again hammering the club, like PhilBemmy has said, 4 days to start of the season and we are talking about a photograph on the side of the pitch for last seasons player of the year.
Mr Fax & Pager is big enough to fight his own battles and he is a registered Director at companies house. If he has an issue, represent the SC and act in the manner of the likes of Charlton, Newcastle and Bolton Supporters Club and make an official statement on the matter which the club has to publicly reply to because the media demand answers.
It’s really tin pot and pure Banned word to get someone to do it hiding behind a user name on the forum to 300 members, proper Fax and Pager behaviour, we are in 2019.
On to Saturday, I love Cogs mind games already, we are led to believe JCH is not fit yet and Blackpool and even us have no idea if he will play Saturday or to set up against us.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 30, 2019 11:54:09 GMT
I can’t understand the number of people on this thread who seem to be blind faith cheer leaders for the current ownership. Wael is a nice fella probably but he is a weak leader and has failed to deliver on every substantial promise including blowing the best chance that this club has ever had of a decent stadium. His apologists all hark at how he didn’t deliver UWE because it wasn’t in the interests of the FC but it is just as likely if not more so that it wasn’t something that “the family” wanted to commit their cash to. As I’ve said before the late great Geoff Dunford saw no problem with a 125 year lease or the terms that Higgs had negotiated. But then the previous owners perhaps weren’t looking at it from their own personal interests ahead of the FCs so much as the current owners. Personally I trust that the Supporters Club have the best interests of the FC very close to their heart and have an emotional shareholding far greater than their monetary one, as most supporters do. I think they are right to be cynical about the current ownership and their motives for not delivering on promises but I think they also need to be far more open and communicate publicly and properly with the fan base if they have concerns about the direction that the club is being taken or that opportunities are being thwarted. Its not blind faith. If you read most of my posts on here I have been highly critical of our board and ownership. But I like to think I am a believer and speaker of truth and and happy to point out when I see a toxic agenda at play which is coming from inside our own club, connected to the board room via the SC and minority shareholders. Cynicism is one thing, but conducting yourself to ask the correct questions and present that in a manner to achieve results is quite the other. Masters will know exactly why the UWE fell through, as does Hamer and they will know how hard some people worked to get the stadium built in the past 12 months only for UWE to change their minds. The SC, over the past 18 months have shown pretty much to act within their own interests. GI, Knowall and a few others that post are contemporaries of Masters, who is in cahoots with Hamer to disrupt and cause trouble for the club in any way they can. This being an example, to try and cause dissent amongst the fans. Ask yourself, why has Hamer been stripped of all authority within the club? Why do we have a supporters club which works against, and not with the club? Why does a supporters club only have 25% representation (figures quoted from GI) of the fanbase? It should be closer to 60% if they were actually a force for good. The whole set up is poisonous at the top, and whilst I admit, a few won't support the view of those running it, the contempt those people have will filter downwards. Ah the truth. The truth according to who? You sound as much in Wael's pocket as you accuse others of being in a camp to plot against the club (when really you mean plot against him). Sounds like you have been hearing things lately from one side of the story and others have been hearing things from the other side. As always there are three sides to every story.
The supporters club are far less likely to have an agenda that will hurt the club than any owner including your new best friend who is a weak leader who has demonstrated that he has been unable to deliver on anything meaningful despite all the promises to do so and runs into hiding when there is bad news to deliver. Looks like he's now found a spokesman though just in the same way as the supporters club have found theirs. It would be a whole lot better if they all had the bollox to speak for themselves.
The only thing that really matters is the good of the football club and you play a dangerous fools game if you think that the current owners are more interested in the long term health of the FC than the supporters club are.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 30, 2019 11:58:02 GMT
Is the club obliged to have an AGM ?
Genuine question, as I suspect that might be the last one unless its a legal requirement.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 30, 2019 12:04:30 GMT
I really feel this thread has become a bit of a pishing contest and should be locked; we are just over 4 days away from our first league game and this is dragging on. Closing the thread won't affect the performance or result, and lets be honest, the forum does not represent the thoughts of 8,000 regular attendees at our matches. No harm in sharing opinions even if a bit personal at times. People feel very upset at present so maybe it's a good idea to get it all "out there".
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Post by Marshy on Jul 30, 2019 12:07:52 GMT
I really feel this thread has become a bit of a pishing contest and should be locked; we are just over 4 days away from our first league game and this is dragging on. Closing the thread won't affect the performance or result, and lets be honest, the forum does not represent the thoughts of 8,000 regular attendees at our matches. No harm in sharing opinions even if a bit personal at times. People feel very upset at present so maybe it's a good idea to get it all "out there". If you feel like that, I think it’s best that you go and visit a nudist camp.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jul 30, 2019 12:15:41 GMT
I can’t understand the number of people on this thread who seem to be blind faith cheer leaders for the current ownership. Wael is a nice fella probably but he is a weak leader and has failed to deliver on every substantial promise including blowing the best chance that this club has ever had of a decent stadium. His apologists all hark at how he didn’t deliver UWE because it wasn’t in the interests of the FC but it is just as likely if not more so that it wasn’t something that “the family” wanted to commit their cash to. As I’ve said before the late great Geoff Dunford saw no problem with a 125 year lease or the terms that Higgs had negotiated. But then the previous owners perhaps weren’t looking at it from their own personal interests ahead of the FCs so much as the current owners. Personally I trust that the Supporters Club have the best interests of the FC very close to their heart and have an emotional shareholding far greater than their monetary one, as most supporters do. I think they are right to be cynical about the current ownership and their motives for not delivering on promises but I think they also need to be far more open and communicate publicly and properly with the fan base if they have concerns about the direction that the club is being taken or that opportunities are being thwarted. Its not blind faith. If you read most of my posts on here I have been highly critical of our board and ownership. But I like to think I am a believer and speaker of truth and and happy to point out when I see a toxic agenda at play which is coming from inside our own club, connected to the board room via the SC and minority shareholders. Cynicism is one thing, but conducting yourself to ask the correct questions and present that in a manner to achieve results is quite the other. Masters will know exactly why the UWE fell through, as does Hamer and they will know how hard some people worked to get the stadium built in the past 12 months only for UWE to change their minds. The SC, over the past 18 months have shown pretty much to act within their own interests. GI, Knowall and a few others that post are contemporaries of Masters, who is in cahoots with Hamer to disrupt and cause trouble for the club in any way they can. This being an example, to try and cause dissent amongst the fans. Ask yourself, why has Hamer been stripped of all authority within the club? Why do we have a supporters club which works against, and not with the club? Why does a supporters club only have 25% representation (figures quoted from GI) of the fanbase? It should be closer to 60% if they were actually a force for good. The whole set up is poisonous at the top, and whilst I admit, a few won't support the view of those running it, the contempt those people have will filter downwards. Has he? Do you have a link for that? I haven't seen anything published to that effect. Someone been whispering in your ear again? If it's true - then what is he doing to justify his salary? Alternatively - why is he on the payroll at all? Answers on a postcard.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jul 30, 2019 13:08:25 GMT
Yes, this is the part I don't get as well. If Hamer is such a negative influence then why wouldn't El Presidente just kick him out? I've never trusted Hamer personally but I also don't see the signs of this supposed rift in the camp, albeit I'm only looking from the outside in.
The only oddity I've noticed was the weird appointment of Superfluous Starnes. But I didn't specifically see that as being caused by a problem with Hamer.
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