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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 19:52:24 GMT
And if people are handing out the best manager ever award it goes to a man who assembled a team at a non league ground, still non league today. A man who sold the first £1 million keeper and replaced him with a free transfer. Sold our star striker Penrice for £500k and replaced him with a right back from Stoke for £90k and converted him to a striker.............after he sold all these players on that ground he went onto lift the Div 1 (Old Division) Championship and doing it beating Bristol City and I witnessed all of it. Regardless of league status, we are much nearer to extinction in 1986 when we went to Twerton than when we went to Alfreton. How many have witnessed Championship football on here? Thank you Gerry, our best manager ever. I don't disagree with the praise for Gerry at all. I also loved the Twerton years and would suggest it was close to a football miracle what was achieved there. But it doesn't mean that we can't also acknowledge the other great manager of recent times, Darrell Clarke without resorting to trashing him and what he achieved too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 19:57:19 GMT
And if people are handing out the best manager ever award it goes to a man who assembled a team at a non league ground, still non league today. A man who sold the first £1 million keeper and replaced him with a free transfer. Sold our star striker Penrice for £500k and replaced him with a right back from Stoke for £90k and converted him to a striker.............after he sold all these players on that ground he went onto lift the Div 1 (Old Division) Championship and doing it beating Bristol City and I witnessed all of it. Regardless of league status, we are much nearer to extinction in 1986 when we went to Twerton than when we went to Alfreton. How many have witnessed Championship football on here? Thank you Gerry, our best manager ever. I don't disagree with the praise for Gerry at all. I also loved the Twerton years and would suggest it was close to a football miracle what was achieved there. But it doesn't mean that we can't also acknowledge the other great manager of recent times, Darrell Clarke without resorting to trashing him and what he achieved too. No it doesn’t but I think people are forgetting DC could have easily put us into financial meltdown if it wasn’t for GC keeping us up. If we had gone down losing £3.4 million into Div2 now saddled with Bennett on £4K a week I don’t know where we would have gone. Yes DC did great but Gerry left us a lot healthier, left with his head held high and never threw his toys out of the pram. It’s ironic Walsall don’t even own their own ground now, Bonser does and they rent a training ground I think
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 20:06:31 GMT
I don't disagree with the praise for Gerry at all. I also loved the Twerton years and would suggest it was close to a football miracle what was achieved there. But it doesn't mean that we can't also acknowledge the other great manager of recent times, Darrell Clarke without resorting to trashing him and what he achieved too. No it doesn’t but I think people are forgetting DC could have easily put us into financial meltdown if it wasn’t for GC keeping us up. If we had gone down losing £3.4 million into Div2 now saddled with Bennett on £4K a week I don’t know where we would have gone. Yes DC did great but Gerry left us a lot healthier, left with his head held high and never threw his toys out of the pram. It’s ironic Walsall don’t even own their own ground now, Bonser does and they rent a training ground I think You're taking the lazy route of agreeing with the GC PR that he performed a miracle in keeping us up last season. He did do a good job, but none of us know that we would have gone down under DC or not. I agree that DC did throw toys out of the pram, but he left with his head held high too. I'd guess 99% of Rovers fans would cheer him to the rafters were he to come back in any capacity, whether for us or in opposition. Let's just agree that both were brilliant managers and save our criticisms for lesser managers who deserve it more!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 20:16:02 GMT
1970 I would give DC a standing ovation if he brought Walsall to the Mem and would even take him back as manager one day. He did an amazing job, I wish he had just kept us up and left.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 21:45:19 GMT
You are so right, and maybe I repeat myself when I say -"it depends on the backing you get from the owner" - Gerry had it from the Dunfords, DC had great support from Nick Higgs and the BOD, it remains to see what help GC gets, but from where I stand I do not see that support forthcoming and suspect that GC will be looking for horizons elsewhere if the AL-Qadi's fail him. But according to some one here, Nick Higgs was leading us to administration and DC had the smallest budget in L2 at the time he sold out to the ALQs? So just a couple of questions.. When DC wanted his back room team of sports scientists and additional physios...he wasn’t supported. When DC wanted to spend £370k on Tom Nichols, the board did not support him. When DC signed Bennet on £4K a week...the board did not support him. When DC signed Stefan Payne for £150k...the board did not support him. The board as I see it allowed DC and supported DC as much as they could, as our balance sheet of annual losses testifies and what GC is paying the price for in this window and possibly Jan too. The only thing DC didn’t get was his training ground and his stadium. But I would say he was one of the best supported managers we have ever had. Your falling into the same trap as so many partly "in the know" posters of stating "facts" which are not really facts but simply what a person or people want you to pass on as facts. Nichols and payne's transfer fee is stated where online so i can check your correct? same thing with bennett's wages. Why not go the extra mile and say he is on £5k a week? it sounds even more damming surely? Dc was backed to a degree without a doubt but it has to be balanced against the illusion of working under ambitious owners taking us to a new ground,a state of the art training facility and a cat 2 academy. Also some very good players left the club like bodin,harrison,taylor and brown which makes the backing very marginal in terms of finance imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 21:49:33 GMT
1970 I would give DC a standing ovation if he brought Walsall to the Mem and would even take him back as manager one day. He did an amazing job, I wish he had just kept us up and left. Wish him all the best Thats just hypocritical though as you have spent most of your time slagging him off on here. How many lackeys does GC have on here apart from you i wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 22:09:04 GMT
1970 I would give DC a standing ovation if he brought Walsall to the Mem and would even take him back as manager one day. He did an amazing job, I wish he had just kept us up and left. Wish him all the best Can't argue with that. I do agree that it was time for a change, for his sake more than ours, although didn't believe that at the time.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jul 31, 2019 7:44:01 GMT
You are so right, and maybe I repeat myself when I say -"it depends on the backing you get from the owner" - Gerry had it from the Dunfords, DC had great support from Nick Higgs and the BOD, it remains to see what help GC gets, but from where I stand I do not see that support forthcoming and suspect that GC will be looking for horizons elsewhere if the AL-Qadi's fail him. But according to some one here, Nick Higgs was leading us to administration and DC had the smallest budget in L2 at the time he sold out to the ALQs? So just a couple of questions.. When DC wanted his back room team of sports scientists and additional physios...he wasn’t supported. When DC wanted to spend £370k on Tom Nichols, the board did not support him. When DC signed Bennet on £4K a week...the board did not support him. When DC signed Stefan Payne for £150k...the board did not support him. The board as I see it allowed DC and supported DC as much as they could, as our balance sheet of annual losses testifies and what GC is paying the price for in this window and possibly Jan too. The only thing DC didn’t get was his training ground and his stadium. But I would say he was one of the best supported managers we have ever had. Could you provide a link so that I can check the "facts" re: Bennett's wages and Payne's transfer fee? I don't think they're in the public domain. If they are true - how do you "know" these were 100% down to DC and not part of a wider decision-making process? Someone seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time whispering in your ear.
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Post by gasincider on Jul 31, 2019 8:26:09 GMT
Could you provide a link so that I can check the "facts" re: Bennett's wages and Payne's transfer fee? I don't think they're in the public domain. If they are true - how do you "know" these were 100% down to DC and not part of a wider decision-making process? Someone seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time whispering in your ear. Someone whispering? This thread was simply to ask why the club refused a perfectly reasonable request to hold a 5 minute ceremony to award some players from last season in front of a lot of our younger fans who would have enjoyed it as they have every year. But it's now expanded. Ok. The awards were to be made at the Barnsley game. It was turned down. Then asked if they could be done at the open day, it was turned down. I simply asked why? I'm still asking. As a supporter I have the right to ask, and if a few of the apostles on here think I will meekly shut up, ...no chance. I wasnt even a member of the supporters club when this started. I am now. I know Ken by sight and the same with SH. The reason they have been drawn into this (not by me) is purely and simply because obviously they are out of favour with the board, and of course someone has been whispering in various ears. Roady doesn't know me, but his mate thinks he does. His mate who sits up in the gods and preaches on behalf of his new best friend. And that in a nutshell is why there is discontent at the club. For christ sake either all pull together or get out. That is why I get angry, because the board are split and causing division. And if you think a few of the apostles on here represent the fan base, think again. The great unwashed out there are more intelligent than you guys think they are. Not to mention that they are gasheads with years of support. Our owners have not yet earned that privileged title.
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Post by Gassy on Jul 31, 2019 8:39:14 GMT
But according to some one here, Nick Higgs was leading us to administration and DC had the smallest budget in L2 at the time he sold out to the ALQs? So just a couple of questions.. When DC wanted his back room team of sports scientists and additional physios...he wasn’t supported. When DC wanted to spend £370k on Tom Nichols, the board did not support him. When DC signed Bennet on £4K a week...the board did not support him. When DC signed Stefan Payne for £150k...the board did not support him. The board as I see it allowed DC and supported DC as much as they could, as our balance sheet of annual losses testifies and what GC is paying the price for in this window and possibly Jan too. The only thing DC didn’t get was his training ground and his stadium. But I would say he was one of the best supported managers we have ever had. Ok so Nichols watch: We're up to £370k, a sneaky 5k increase from Gashead1981 - 400k before the end of his contract seems likely, only £30k to go!
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Post by Blueside on Jul 31, 2019 8:39:35 GMT
But according to some one here, Nick Higgs was leading us to administration and DC had the smallest budget in L2 at the time he sold out to the ALQs? So just a couple of questions.. When DC wanted his back room team of sports scientists and additional physios...he wasn’t supported. When DC wanted to spend £370k on Tom Nichols, the board did not support him. When DC signed Bennet on £4K a week...the board did not support him. When DC signed Stefan Payne for £150k...the board did not support him. The board as I see it allowed DC and supported DC as much as they could, as our balance sheet of annual losses testifies and what GC is paying the price for in this window and possibly Jan too. The only thing DC didn’t get was his training ground and his stadium. But I would say he was one of the best supported managers we have ever had. Your falling into the same trap as so many partly "in the know" posters of stating "facts" which are not really facts but simply what a person or people want you to pass on as facts. Nichols and payne's transfer fee is stated where online so i can check your correct? same thing with bennett's wages. Why not go the extra mile and say he is on £5k a week? it sounds even more damming surely?Dc was backed to a degree without a doubt but it has to be balanced against the illusion of working under ambitious owners taking us to a new ground,a state of the art training facility and a cat 2 academy. Also some very good players left the club like bodin,harrison,taylor and brown which makes the backing very marginal in terms of finance imo. You can only start to move it on to £5k once the £4k/week number has been around long enough to become accepted as fact. I think it it needs another couole of weeks for that, then try floating your £5k theory. Sorry, but that's the rules of the internet.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 31, 2019 9:27:35 GMT
Could you provide a link so that I can check the "facts" re: Bennett's wages and Payne's transfer fee? I don't think they're in the public domain. If they are true - how do you "know" these were 100% down to DC and not part of a wider decision-making process? Someone seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time whispering in your ear. Someone whispering? This thread was simply to ask why the club refused a perfectly reasonable request to hold a 5 minute ceremony to award some players from last season in front of a lot of our younger fans who would have enjoyed it as they have every year. But it's now expanded. Ok. The awards were to be made at the Barnsley game. It was turned down. Then asked if they could be done at the open day, it was turned down. I simply asked why? I'm still asking. As a supporter I have the right to ask, and if a few of the apostles on here think I will meekly shut up, ...no chance. I wasnt even a member of the supporters club when this started. I am now. I know Ken by sight and the same with SH. The reason they have been drawn into this (not by me) is purely and simply because obviously they are out of favour with the board, and of course someone has been whispering in various ears. Roady doesn't know me, but his mate thinks he does. His mate who sits up in the gods and preaches on behalf of his new best friend. And that in a nutshell is why there is discontent at the club. For christ sake either all pull together or get out. That is why I get angry, because the board are split and causing division. And if you think a few of the apostles on here represent the fan base, think again. The great unwashed out there are more intelligent than you guys think they are. Not to mention that they are gasheads with years of support. Our owners have not yet earned that privileged title. GI, I don’t know you. But I witnessed your pathetic and obnoxious outbursts at the AGM to know who you are by sight only. Yes I sit up in the west stand with my family and friends but it’s of no favour or privilege. I pay my way for it. You asked why the club was declined your presentation, and not just me, but a few others told you the likely reason(s) why. Are we all apostles or can we just see through the agenda that the supporters club you belong to are trying to play. Technically the club don’t have to give you any specific reason other than, no, we don’t want to. Like it or lump it. Like I said, if it means that much to everyone, why not have an awards night with coronation chicken and a few glasses of babysham and invite the winners along. Or have something outside the portacabin on a match day. I’m sure your great leader is capable of organising something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 9:36:36 GMT
Could you provide a link so that I can check the "facts" re: Bennett's wages and Payne's transfer fee? I don't think they're in the public domain. If they are true - how do you "know" these were 100% down to DC and not part of a wider decision-making process? Someone seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time whispering in your ear. Someone whispering? This thread was simply to ask why the club refused a perfectly reasonable request to hold a 5 minute ceremony to award some players from last season in front of a lot of our younger fans who would have enjoyed it as they have every year. But it's now expanded. Ok. The awards were to be made at the Barnsley game. It was turned down. Then asked if they could be done at the open day, it was turned down. I simply asked why? I'm still asking. As a supporter I have the right to ask, and if a few of the apostles on here think I will meekly shut up, ...no chance. I wasnt even a member of the supporters club when this started. I am now. I know Ken by sight and the same with SH. The reason they have been drawn into this (not by me) is purely and simply because obviously they are out of favour with the board, and of course someone has been whispering in various ears. Roady doesn't know me, but his mate thinks he does. His mate who sits up in the gods and preaches on behalf of his new best friend. And that in a nutshell is why there is discontent at the club. For christ sake either all pull together or get out. That is why I get angry, because the board are split and causing division. And if you think a few of the apostles on here represent the fan base, think again. The great unwashed out there are more intelligent than you guys think they are. Not to mention that they are gasheads with years of support. Our owners have not yet earned that privileged title. Look mate/bro/sir, I have no real gripe with you bar your digging at the board when the real problem is your line of communication into the figurehead of the organisation you are a member of. Can I give you an example of today’s communications via social which even the local nursery, cafe and U8’s boys football team use gasincider @mrfaxandpager Ken can you tell us why we never had the Supporters Club player of the year awards on the pitch this year, are our votes pointless? @mrfaxandpager thanks for raising the point gasincider .......1)relations are strained at the moment with the board and owner of the club, we are trying to work on this matter. 2) It was an error on our part, the trophy engraving wasn’t done, we have asked the players to come for an evening or future game 3) whatever Ken wants to reply Can’t you see my point, you shouldn’t have to come on here for answers and questions like this or to dig at the club. You have a perfectly valid question which can be a public one. Brian Seymour Smith answered questions all the time on twitter, you should be able to ask Mr Fax and Pager publicly and he should stop being a Banned word, man up and say it how it is instead of cuddling up to Higgs and now Hamer. Gasincider, regardless of your frustrations re Wael Al Qadi, your representative is representing you, he’s your problem?!?!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 31, 2019 9:42:01 GMT
For christ sake either all pull together or get out. One trouble with this argument is that we can't agree on which direction to go. If everyone pulled in exactly the direction I want to go then I'd be happy enough, but what happens if someone else wants to pull in a different direction? The other problem is telling people to get out just coz they don't agree with you is divisive and inherently will make us smaller and weaker. And the flipside is what happens when people to tell you to get out for the very same reason? So, while you're obviously a very passionate Gashead, which is to be applauded, you should probably think twice before making such broad and divisive statements, istm. Every Gashead is bound to have different views on the best way to progress from the very top to the bottom of the club, and no one has a monopoly on the best way to do things; it all boils down to opinion.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 31, 2019 9:58:51 GMT
Could you provide a link so that I can check the "facts" re: Bennett's wages and Payne's transfer fee? I don't think they're in the public domain. If they are true - how do you "know" these were 100% down to DC and not part of a wider decision-making process? Someone seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time whispering in your ear. Someone whispering? This thread was simply to ask why the club refused a perfectly reasonable request to hold a 5 minute ceremony to award some players from last season in front of a lot of our younger fans who would have enjoyed it as they have every year. But it's now expanded. Ok. The awards were to be made at the Barnsley game. It was turned down. Then asked if they could be done at the open day, it was turned down. I simply asked why? I'm still asking. As a supporter I have the right to ask, and if a few of the apostles on here think I will meekly shut up, ...no chance. I wasnt even a member of the supporters club when this started. I am now. I know Ken by sight and the same with SH. The reason they have been drawn into this (not by me) is purely and simply because obviously they are out of favour with the board, and of course someone has been whispering in various ears. Roady doesn't know me, but his mate thinks he does. His mate who sits up in the gods and preaches on behalf of his new best friend. And that in a nutshell is why there is discontent at the club. For christ sake either all pull together or get out. That is why I get angry, because the board are split and causing division. And if you think a few of the apostles on here represent the fan base, think again. The great unwashed out there are more intelligent than you guys think they are. Not to mention that they are gasheads with years of support. Our owners have not yet earned that privileged title. Simple question ? If the club said yes but you have to pay £500 for the privilege, would the supporters club pay it TBH i think the whole thing is a storm in a very small tea cup and most people don't give a flying F##k about the ins and outs of player awards etc
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 31, 2019 10:12:47 GMT
For christ sake either all pull together or get out. One trouble with this argument is that we can't agree on which direction to go. If everyone pulled in exactly the direction I want to go then I'd be happy enough, but what happens if someone else wants to pull in a different direction? The other problem is telling people to get out just coz they don't agree with you is divisive and inherently will make us smaller and weaker. And the flipside is what happens when people to tell you to get out for the very same reason? So, while you're obviously a very passionate Gashead, which is to be applauded, you should probably think twice before making such broad and divisive statements, istm. Every Gashead is bound to have different views on the best way to progress from the very top to the bottom of the club, and no one has a monopoly on the best way to do things; it all boils down to opinion. What I keep coming back to is this... Let's say for arguments sake that GI and Knowall are right and that Roady and 81 are totally in the wrong where does that leave us? We hear absolutely NOTHING from any official channels that there are problems at the club. The Presidents club say nothing. The Supporters Club say nothing. Silent Ken says nothing. What we get is hints, cryptic gripes, innuendo and constant sniping from individuals on social media. How is that a rallying cry to save anything? Meanwhile, 81 and Roady follow the party line and back the current owners. Something our manager has actually gone out of his way to request. So the owners say they are working hard, the manager says let's all work together and the affiliates say nothing so 81 and Roady appear to be the people taking the only sensible position. I have said this 100 times before, if the AQs are damaging our club beyond repair, the people who claim to know all about it are failing our club and its supporters by doing nothing about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:10:56 GMT
One trouble with this argument is that we can't agree on which direction to go. If everyone pulled in exactly the direction I want to go then I'd be happy enough, but what happens if someone else wants to pull in a different direction? The other problem is telling people to get out just coz they don't agree with you is divisive and inherently will make us smaller and weaker. And the flipside is what happens when people to tell you to get out for the very same reason? So, while you're obviously a very passionate Gashead, which is to be applauded, you should probably think twice before making such broad and divisive statements, istm. Every Gashead is bound to have different views on the best way to progress from the very top to the bottom of the club, and no one has a monopoly on the best way to do things; it all boils down to opinion. What I keep coming back to is this... Let's say for arguments sake that GI and Knowall are right and that Roady and 81 are totally in the wrong where does that leave us? We hear absolutely NOTHING from any official channels that there are problems at the club. The Presidents club say nothing. The Supporters Club say nothing. Silent Ken says nothing. What we get is hints, cryptic gripes, innuendo and constant sniping from individuals on social media. How is that a rallying cry to save anything? Meanwhile, 81 and Roady follow the party line and back the current owners. Something our manager has actually gone out of his way to request. So the owners say they are working hard, the manager says let's all work together and the affiliates say nothing so 81 and Roady appear to be the people taking the only sensible position. I have said this 100 times before, if the AQs are damaging our club beyond repair, the people who claim to know all about it are failing our club and its supporters by doing nothing about it. Amen to this, take a bow, brilliant post. Do I think the AQ’s messed up on due diligence on the UWE, yes. But I give them the benefit of the doubt because what other option do we have? All this is going on, I can’t even speak directly to Ken on social media, this lot have the right idea mobile.twitter.com/castrustGasincider and Knowall won’t demand answers of Ken, they use to snip away behind a user name, demand answer publicly on social media from your representative!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:29:39 GMT
Astounding, I’ve just been on the official SC web page and under contacts, everyone has an email address contact, even the Away Travel Organiser but the figure head of the organisation has no contact details, I rest my case. Stop using this forum for your digs and snips and get onto your representative, how You contact him is your worry.......... bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/Embarrassing, truly shocking to think I can tweet my local MP right now with a question.
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 31, 2019 11:33:00 GMT
Kyle Bennett is on £4,000, unfortunately for him it's Egyptian Pounds so roughly £200 a week.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 31, 2019 11:38:05 GMT
Astounding, I’ve just been on the official SC web page and under contacts, everyone has an email address contact, even the Away Travel Organiser but the figure head of the organisation has no contact details, I rest my case. Stop using this forum for your digs and snips and get onto your representative, how You contact him is your worry.......... bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/Embarrassing, truly shocking to think I can tweet my local MP right now with a question. Funny thing is Paul, at the AGM, he sat at the top table with an apple laptop open and in front of him....it does beg the question whether that was for show or whether he actually knows how to use it as Im pretty sure you need an apple ID, which requires an email address just to load it up!! Perhaps thats why he said sweet FA, he was wondering what all the new technology was going on before his very eyes!
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