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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 18:07:19 GMT
I think it is a shame because once again it is the supporters who suffer, and of course the players. Neither club has a full team of professionals Real shame for their respective supporters, but both Clubs should be thrown out the league. They cannot prove they are financially viable. Whoever lent them the money are 'fools'. I think this is going to be the start of a nunber of Clubs folding. The EFL is just not fit for purpose. The FA running tier 5 and below would appear to do a much better job. I agree with this. 5 days before kick off and both clubs are effectively insolvent. No business would be allowed to trade this way, outside of football. Surely commercial law kicks in? I presume they will not be able to pay their players on Saturday, let alone meet their historical creditors?
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Post by paulpirate on Jul 29, 2019 18:11:20 GMT
I think it is a shame because once again it is the supporters who suffer, and of course the players. Neither club has a full team of professionals they have already abandoned the Wycombe game due to lightning
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 18:33:09 GMT
I think it is a shame because once again it is the supporters who suffer, and of course the players. Neither club has a full team of professionals they have already abandoned the Wycombe game due to lightning It's the way 'ee tells em...š§
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Post by falmouthgas on Jul 29, 2019 21:05:20 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49156362Confirmed that Bury's game is suspended, but Bolton's game is going ahead as normal. Can see Bury getting another points deduction for this. Makes you wonder how long they can carry on like this (Mods feel free to edit thread title as appropriate)
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Post by lmgas on Jul 29, 2019 21:09:32 GMT
Weren't Bolton threatened with points deductions last season if they couldn't fulfil fixtures, that's surely the minimum that should happen to both of them, slap a another -3 or even -5 on them. Points being awarded to their opponents would seem unfair.
I agree with others that these two teams should have been thrown out ages ago, and that the efl are useless in comparison with the way the fa run the conference.
Everyone in League one is going to suffer as it is, we will potentially have four less fixtures, each club will have two less sets of gate receipts, as a season ticket holder we'll get two less games for our cash.
There should be a cut off date, say start of June, at that point two of the teams relegated from league one last year should have been reinstated, and so on down the pyramid. Efl as usual a complete joke.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 29, 2019 21:41:06 GMT
Sad times for Bury's fans, I doubt they can recover from this as the EFL are already talking about their second game being postponed, that madness they let it drag on for so long as it now looks highly likely Div 1 will have one less team this season.
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Post by piratejames on Jul 29, 2019 21:45:39 GMT
As a football fan youāve got to feel devastated for bury, days away from the season and there having this, whoeverās to blame should be kicked out of football and fined.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jul 29, 2019 21:46:32 GMT
And there go Arsenal splashing Ā£72m on one player. The gap between the top and the middle, let alone the bottom, is huge. I can see other clubs going the same way as Bury over the coming years. I hope that we arenāt one of them.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2019 23:30:14 GMT
Yes Iām very sad for the fans but what have they got to do to get thrown out of the league? Despite knowing the start date of the league itās clear and has been for weeks that neither club are going to be in a position to start on Saturday. Every other club has worked to the same timetable and will be able to kick off yet these two clubs wonāt. The EFL have lost whatever credibility they still had over this. Both clubs have had warnings and deadlines pushed back because they, or potential new owners, have said they would be ready next week or so. But never were. I feel sorry for Wycombe (I know I shouldnāt) and MK Dons because they would have been working up to this only to have it delayed through no fault of their own. Bury and Bolton should now be on a final warning, complete by a certain date, within a week, or they forfeit their league place. Then the EFL should have an extraordinary meeting to announce how they will allocate places for this coming season's relegation places so that everyone knows what they are playing towards this season. Yes I feel sorry for the fans but Bury fans had a decent watch last season because their club decided to spend money they didnāt have and Bolton have been doing that for years without much thought of how they were cheating other clubs and other clubs fans. And perhaps taking such action now would finally knock sense into clubs all over about only spending what they can afford. Will this happen? I doubt it, another fudge will be decided and they will avoid any such drastic action. There will be a photo call about how everything has now been sorted out. Lots of businesses will go out of business but no one will care about that and the clubs will survive and those involved will smile, shake hands and quote about how hard everyoneās worked to sort it out. Only for it to happen again at both clubs within a year.
A cautionary tale to us at BRFC and all other clubs I hope.
UTG!
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Post by socrates on Jul 29, 2019 23:55:51 GMT
Weren't Bolton threatened with points deductions last season if they couldn't fulfil fixtures, that's surely the minimum that should happen to both of them, slap a another -3 or even -5 on them. Points being awarded to their opponents would seem unfair. I agree with others that these two teams should have been thrown out ages ago, and that the efl are useless in comparison with the way the fa run the conference. Everyone in League one is going to suffer as it is, we will potentially have four less fixtures, each club will have two less sets of gate receipts, as a season ticket holder we'll get two less games for our cash. There should be a cut off date, say start of June, at that point two of the teams relegated from league one last year should have been reinstated, and so on down the pyramid. Efl as usual a complete joke. The efl are probably too busy taking backhanders off of the premier league and sucking up to them to even have noticed.
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Post by socrates on Jul 30, 2019 0:00:53 GMT
Yes Iām very sad for the fans but what have they got to do to get thrown out of the league? Despite knowing the start date of the league itās clear and has been for weeks that neither club are going to be in a position to start on Saturday. Every other club has worked to the same timetable and will be able to kick off yet these two clubs wonāt. The EFL have lost whatever credibility they still had over this. Both clubs have had warnings and deadlines pushed back because they, or potential new owners, have said they would be ready next week or so. But never were. I feel sorry for Wycombe (I know I shouldnāt) and MK Dons because they would have been working up to this only to have it delayed through no fault of their own. Bury and Bolton should now be on a final warning, complete by a certain date, within a week, or they forfeit their league place. Then the EFL should have an extraordinary meeting to announce how they will allocate places for this coming season's relegation places so that everyone knows what they are playing towards this season. Yes I feel sorry for the fans but Bury fans had a decent watch last season because their club decided to spend money they didnāt have and Bolton have been doing that for years without much thought of how they were cheating other clubs and other clubs fans. And perhaps taking such action now would finally knock sense into clubs all over about only spending what they can afford. Will this happen? I doubt it, another fudge will be decided and they will avoid any such drastic action. There will be a photo call about how everything has now been sorted out. Lots of businesses will go out of business but no one will care about that and the clubs will survive and those involved will smile, shake hands and quote about how hard everyoneās worked to sort it out. Only for it to happen again at both clubs within a year. A cautionary tale to us at BRFC and all other clubs I hope. UTG! The sh** got away with it decades ago too, footballs changed a lot but it still has a strange loophole thing about it where the owners of a football club can take the water , or f**k things right up and come away Iām the clear a lot of the time. Other times clubs seem to get severely punished. Itās almost as if they make it up as they go along.
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 30, 2019 6:03:55 GMT
Can not see the league giving the other two clubs three points at this stage of the season. The Brentford/Bolton situation was at the end of the season and the points awarded to Brentford did not penalise other clubs. What would heve happened, if Bolton had been due to play a club that were involved in promotion or relegation issues? The ramifications would have rumbled on all summer. The EFL were extremely lucky.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 30, 2019 6:21:58 GMT
Yes Iām very sad for the fans but what have they got to do to get thrown out of the league? Despite knowing the start date of the league itās clear and has been for weeks that neither club are going to be in a position to start on Saturday. Every other club has worked to the same timetable and will be able to kick off yet these two clubs wonāt. The EFL have lost whatever credibility they still had over this. Both clubs have had warnings and deadlines pushed back because they, or potential new owners, have said they would be ready next week or so. But never were. I feel sorry for Wycombe (I know I shouldnāt) and MK Dons because they would have been working up to this only to have it delayed through no fault of their own. Bury and Bolton should now be on a final warning, complete by a certain date, within a week, or they forfeit their league place. Then the EFL should have an extraordinary meeting to announce how they will allocate places for this coming season's relegation places so that everyone knows what they are playing towards this season. Yes I feel sorry for the fans but Bury fans had a decent watch last season because their club decided to spend money they didnāt have and Bolton have been doing that for years without much thought of how they were cheating other clubs and other clubs fans. And perhaps taking such action now would finally knock sense into clubs all over about only spending what they can afford. Will this happen? I doubt it, another fudge will be decided and they will avoid any such drastic action. There will be a photo call about how everything has now been sorted out. Lots of businesses will go out of business but no one will care about that and the clubs will survive and those involved will smile, shake hands and quote about how hard everyoneās worked to sort it out. Only for it to happen again at both clubs within a year. A cautionary tale to us at BRFC and all other clubs I hope. UTG! The sh** got away with it decades ago too, footballs changed a lot but it still has a strange loophole thing about it where the owners of a football club can take the water , or f**k things right up and come away Iām the clear a lot of the time. Other times clubs seem to get severely punished. Itās almost as if they make it up as they go along. City gotbaway with it in 82, but it led to the football creditors rule being introduced. The trouble is now Bolton say they are being taken over and obviously must have given some details to the FA unlike Bury. Is our own Mark Litte going to get what he is owed or any of the other Bolton players regardless of whether they are over paid or not. Bury robbed Mansfield of a place in League One, and even if Bury dont go bust i would say are nailed on to go back down, however no one can say for sure what sort of season Mansfield will have. The bare minimum that should have hapoened to begin with was keep Bury in League Two and if they still go tits up so be it
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 30, 2019 7:28:28 GMT
The sh** got away with it decades ago too, footballs changed a lot but it still has a strange loophole thing about it where the owners of a football club can take the water , or f**k things right up and come away Iām the clear a lot of the time. Other times clubs seem to get severely punished. Itās almost as if they make it up as they go along. City gotbaway with it in 82, but it led to the football creditors rule being introduced. The trouble is now Bolton say they are being taken over and obviously must have given some details to the FA unlike Bury. Is our own Mark Litte going to get what he is owed or any of the other Bolton players regardless of whether they are over paid or not. Bury robbed Mansfield of a place in League One, and even if Bury dont go bust i would say are nailed on to go back down, however no one can say for sure what sort of season Mansfield will have. The bare minimum that should have hapoened to begin with was keep Bury in League Two and if they still go tits up so be it The rumour on the Bolton forum is Little & co have been offered just 20% of what they are owed, as far as keeping Bury down in Div 2 not sure it's that easy just re-write the rules once a club has achieved promotion.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 30, 2019 7:28:55 GMT
Yes Iām very sad for the fans but what have they got to do to get thrown out of the league? Despite knowing the start date of the league itās clear and has been for weeks that neither club are going to be in a position to start on Saturday. Every other club has worked to the same timetable and will be able to kick off yet these two clubs wonāt. The EFL have lost whatever credibility they still had over this. Both clubs have had warnings and deadlines pushed back because they, or potential new owners, have said they would be ready next week or so. But never were. I feel sorry for Wycombe (I know I shouldnāt) and MK Dons because they would have been working up to this only to have it delayed through no fault of their own. Bury and Bolton should now be on a final warning, complete by a certain date, within a week, or they forfeit their league place. Then the EFL should have an extraordinary meeting to announce how they will allocate places for this coming season's relegation places so that everyone knows what they are playing towards this season. Yes I feel sorry for the fans but Bury fans had a decent watch last season because their club decided to spend money they didnāt have and Bolton have been doing that for years without much thought of how they were cheating other clubs and other clubs fans. And perhaps taking such action now would finally knock sense into clubs all over about only spending what they can afford. Will this happen? I doubt it, another fudge will be decided and they will avoid any such drastic action. There will be a photo call about how everything has now been sorted out. Lots of businesses will go out of business but no one will care about that and the clubs will survive and those involved will smile, shake hands and quote about how hard everyoneās worked to sort it out. Only for it to happen again at both clubs within a year. A cautionary tale to us at BRFC and all other clubs I hope. UTG! The sh** got away with it decades ago too, footballs changed a lot but it still has a strange loophole thing about it where the owners of a football club can take the water , or f**k things right up and come away Iām the clear a lot of the time. Other times clubs seem to get severely punished. Itās almost as if they make it up as they go along.No doubt about it. UTG!
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Post by peterparker on Jul 30, 2019 8:02:47 GMT
City gotbaway with it in 82, but it led to the football creditors rule being introduced. The trouble is now Bolton say they are being taken over and obviously must have given some details to the FA unlike Bury. Is our own Mark Litte going to get what he is owed or any of the other Bolton players regardless of whether they are over paid or not. Bury robbed Mansfield of a place in League One, and even if Bury dont go bust i would say are nailed on to go back down, however no one can say for sure what sort of season Mansfield will have. The bare minimum that should have hapoened to begin with was keep Bury in League Two and if they still go tits up so be it The rumour on the Bolton forum is Little & co have been offered just 20% of what they are owed, as far as keeping Bury down in Div 2 not sure it's that easy just re-write the rules once a club has achieved promotion.Ā Maybe it isnt easy, but they are hardly making it easy they way the EFL are currently going about it, delaying and leaving it til the last minute. Dont forget they manage to demote Swindle all thise years ago so it can be done I get they dont want anyone going bust. No one really does, but sooner or later they need to take a stand
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Post by rosssgb on Jul 30, 2019 8:33:43 GMT
Sorry but for me both shouldāve been thrown out the league by now, writing has been on the wall for Bolton since the last game of previous season. Still canāt believe they only got away with a 0-1 defeat, what kind of punishment is that for not fulfilling a league fixture!
Goes without saying that the āfit and proper testā for owners needs a complete overhaul.
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Post by cj on Aug 1, 2019 13:49:29 GMT
Bury chairman statement: www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/statement-from-chairman/We, as a Club are saddened by recent events from a body who should have the best interest of Clubs as itās primary objective, clearly this is not the case. We, as a Club had come through such adversity left from the previous owner and had started to make headway, the majority of rot had been cut out and the atmosphere at our Training Ground was fantastic, where a positive air had started to replace the despondency of the legacy. New players were arriving with an open mind and looking forward to the new season as were our fantastic new staff. We thought we were finalizing with the EFL on any outstanding matters that needed addressing, they were fully aware that SAG were happy with our progress and upon the lighting replacement being completed ALL matters were concluded and the certificates would be issued the next day. The Council also confirmed this to the EFL so no worries fulfilling fixtures. Our CVA had been put forward and we had proven to the courts our ability to fund it and it was passed after 5 months of hard work, this closed off the past where creditors would be dealt with by the administrator, or so we thought. We submitted all that we were asked to by the EFL in the week prior to their āstatementā not as they stated, ānot submitted.ā So as far as we were concerned we were up to date and requested they lift the embargo so we could sign our players as we were running the risk of losing them. We then received an email explaining they felt it prudent to amend our cash flow/business plan to show a Ā£1.5m loss and they required additional funding, as this was not factual we challenged their assertion as it was based we were advised on āsensitised feelā not facts, we forwarded the facts to qualify our plan and dismiss their āsensitised feel.ā So at this point, we felt all had been covered and we could continue with the upward trajectory we were on, get our players signed and all was good, Bury was on its way. THEN THE INFAMOUS EFL STATEMENTS I was advised by the EFL chair that board pressure had been put on her to send out a statement, however, she had the decency to advise me by phone prior, which was and has always been appreciated. I explained all the matters were covered, we had spoken and agreed in principle the player debt with the PFA and within the CVA, the CVA administrator sent a letter to the EFL confirming all was as it should be and he was happy creditors would be met within it. They had our business plan and to save the matter protracting we sent proof of funds to cover the fictional Ā£1.5m loss, furthermore, they had been contacted by the Council informing them the SAG licences had been cleared. They still, however, felt it prudent to ignore the facts and send out the incendiary statement for no gain to anybody other than to discredit Bury FC and itās Board. The effect of that to our Club has been unrest in players thinking there would be no Club, loss of players, sponsors pulling out and 5 months of hard work being destroyed by them, then you have the subsequent media garbage inciting unrest and the trolls rearing their sorry heads again, all based on ill truths or at best negative spin, for what? They then contacted Jill Neville late at night to say a further statement was being put out, our Staff and the Club Lawyer tried to contact them to no avail to ask what was their next statement based on as they had everything, it turned out the game would not go ahead? They contacted us giving us more time, we asked what further could be given, our cash flow was solid, the mythical Ā£1.5m requirement was covered should it ever be needed by an offer letter and they themselves advised āThe EFL is aware the Ā£1.5m may not be required it's a worst-case scenario forecast. It may never need to be drawn down on.ā And again they were advised the PFA were working with us on a settlement however this was covered by the CVA, so you would assume once again all good. Then the EFL meeting last night and subsequent statement, where they decided the POF letter of Ā£1.5m was not sufficient they wanted money in the bank to cover the requirement they themselves say is not needed, and letās not forget, in addition to our positive cash flow, the EFL have withheld payments to the Club of Ā£569,493 including August payment, not the actions of a body there to help, but certainly if released would cover possible eventualities they deem prevalent. They also disputed our agreement with the PFA even though our Lawyer and prominent third parties were privy to this. Still, they postpone the match and again for what gain? I am unsure at this juncture where Bury go when the body that should be there to help us works against us, however, I felt it important to set the record straight and hope the EFL try to be reasonable. We, as a Club, promise you that we will challenge this injustice in whatever forum necessary. Yours sincerely, Steven D Dale
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 2, 2019 21:36:32 GMT
Didnāt really want to bump this but reading the BBC website tonight made me wonder even more. Whilst not wishing ill will on either club it seems to be descending into an even bigger farce. Tomorrow Bolton go to Wycombe with 3 senior players so the result should be very interesting. If any club fielded a team with only 3 senior players which could be a weakened team they would probably be fined. My point is any club facing Bolton within the next 3/4 weeks is going to have a serious advantage as opposed to those clubs facing them later in the season. This could seriously disadvantage any club esp if it effects promotion or relegation. I donāt expect the EFL to do anything about it but I bet any club facing Bolton in these first few weeks will be laughing all the way to the top of the table! UTG!
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Post by lmgas on Aug 2, 2019 21:53:48 GMT
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