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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 10:40:39 GMT
The Reality is we don't have a pot to water in and never had, overblown expectations by both manager & fans have got us to this financial predicament and only deep austerity will get us out of this..... sounds a bit like our last chancellor.......... Im sorry but I dont agree with this. How has our fanbase had overblown expectations? We're a club from the 6th/7th largest city in the UK, one that regularly gets gates of 8k-9k even when we are doing sh** like last season.Only Luton (a same sized club as us that play in the championship now) get the same type of crowds that we do compared to the standard of its clubs ground in the whole of the country! Our gates a outstanding given the standard of the mem. Most fans expectations when the owners came in were to have new stadium and training ground built and maybe for us to have abit of investment put into the playing side so that we could become a fixture in the championship one day.Ok there were some that hoped we were to become the next Man City but most just wanted to us to step into this century as a club. DC loved our club and maybe did expected much more from our owners, but where did DC overspend in the playing side of things,or GC for that matter? DC made some bad signings in his last 4 transfer windows at the club but the most the club has spent on a fee since wael and co have joined here is around £350k on TN and was the highest on by far. I think most fans hoped there would be substantial investment on and off the field but equally many recognised we have no right to expect the kind of investment some are demanding. I wouldn't say DC overspent but signings for £300k, £250k etc represent massive deals for any club who hasn't been able to tap into Championship parachute payments nor have an individual pumping money in to the club.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 2, 2019 11:03:00 GMT
So, Blackpool tomorrow then....
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2019 11:17:30 GMT
Im sorry but I dont agree with this. How has our fanbase had overblown expectations? We're a club from the 6th/7th largest city in the UK, one that regularly gets gates of 8k-9k even when we are doing sh** like last season.Only Luton (a same sized club as us that play in the championship now) get the same type of crowds that we do compared to the standard of its clubs ground in the whole of the country! Our gates a outstanding given the standard of the mem. Most fans expectations when the owners came in were to have new stadium and training ground built and maybe for us to have abit of investment put into the playing side so that we could become a fixture in the championship one day.Ok there were some that hoped we were to become the next Man City but most just wanted to us to step into this century as a club. DC loved our club and maybe did expected much more from our owners, but where did DC overspend in the playing side of things,or GC for that matter? DC made some bad signings in his last 4 transfer windows at the club but the most the club has spent on a fee since wael and co have joined here is around £350k on TN and was the highest on by far. I think most fans hoped there would be substantial investment on and off the field but equally many recognised we have no right to expect the kind of investment some are demanding. I wouldn't say DC overspent but signings for £300k, £250k etc represent massive deals for any club who hasn't been able to tap into Championship parachute payments nor have an individual pumping money in to the club. And in that time how much did we make from the Chelsea match...and then add in the sales of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison?
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Post by baggins on Aug 2, 2019 11:22:59 GMT
I think most fans hoped there would be substantial investment on and off the field but equally many recognised we have no right to expect the kind of investment some are demanding. I wouldn't say DC overspent but signings for £300k, £250k etc represent massive deals for any club who hasn't been able to tap into Championship parachute payments nor have an individual pumping money in to the club. And in that time how much did we make from the Chelsea match...and then add in the sales of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison? Doesn't even cover 20% of what we lose every year.
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Post by baggins on Aug 2, 2019 11:23:41 GMT
So, Blackpool tomorrow then.... Apparently.
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2019 11:28:25 GMT
And in that time how much did we make from the Chelsea match...and then add in the sales of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison? Doesn't even cover 20% of what we lose every year. I'm just saying if you talk about signings for £300k and £250k, then you have to balance it out with the money DC made from the Chelsea match and sales of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison. If the owners are so worried about the club losing money, why not get rid of one of the CEO, Chairman (or both) and the expensive office in London.
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Post by baggins on Aug 2, 2019 11:38:24 GMT
Doesn't even cover 20% of what we lose every year. I'm just saying if you talk about signings for £300k and £250k, then you have to balance it out with the money DC made from the Chelsea match and sales of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison. If the owners are so worried about the club losing money, why not get rid of one of the CEO, Chairman (or both) and the expensive office in London. Are they worried about it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 11:43:48 GMT
To be far there was a fair bit of spending both on the team and the admin side if not a stadium and training ground. It's just a pity that all that money was mostly watered up the wall. But I do wonder where Wael was thinking all that money was coming from. I think we can finally put to bed the notion that we are dealing with competent business people here because a competent business person would not run up 17 million pounds worth of debt and then suddenly turn the tap off because they have realised there is no more left. That is the action of someone without any sort of plan and no idea how to run a business let alone a football club. When did he turn the tap off? We seem to be unable to pay a small fee for Scales, can't complete with Blackpool on wages, our signings have been free/out of contract and pre-season has seen us plunder the development squad. Nothing concrete in all of that but compared with previous seasons there is certainly enough evidence that something has changed and we are resorting to austerity.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 2, 2019 11:48:28 GMT
When did he turn the tap off? We seem to be unable to pay a small fee for Scales, can't complete with Blackpool on wages, our signings have been free/out of contract and pre-season has seen us plunder the development squad. Nothing concrete in all of that but compared with previous seasons there is certainly enough evidence that something has changed and we are resorting to austerity. It's pretty clear the deal with Scales is not all about money. I would hardly describe any of that as suddenly turning the tap off. Anyway, you've been moaning about us not signing players, then moaning about us spending too much money. Now moaning about us suddenly turning the tap off. Oh, yeah, and moaning about us in the thread where GC asked us to do a bit less moaning. It's like you just want to moan and don't really give a toss what about. And making up sh** like 'suddenly turning the tap off.'
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Post by Marshy on Aug 2, 2019 12:09:39 GMT
To be far there was a fair bit of spending both on the team and the admin side if not a stadium and training ground. It's just a pity that all that money was mostly watered up the wall. But I do wonder where Wael was thinking all that money was coming from. I think we can finally put to bed the notion that we are dealing with competent business people here because a competent business person would not run up 17 million pounds worth of debt and then suddenly turn the tap off because they have realised there is no more left. That is the action of someone without any sort of plan and no idea how to run a business let alone a football club. When did he turn the tap off? When the bath was full.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 2, 2019 12:57:17 GMT
Im sorry but I dont agree with this. How has our fanbase had overblown expectations? We're a club from the 6th/7th largest city in the UK, one that regularly gets gates of 8k-9k even when we are doing sh** like last season.Only Luton (a same sized club as us that play in the championship now) get the same type of crowds that we do compared to the standard of its clubs ground in the whole of the country! Our gates a outstanding given the standard of the mem. Most fans expectations when the owners came in were to have new stadium and training ground built and maybe for us to have abit of investment put into the playing side so that we could become a fixture in the championship one day.Ok there were some that hoped we were to become the next Man City but most just wanted to us to step into this century as a club. DC loved our club and maybe did expected much more from our owners, but where did DC overspend in the playing side of things,or GC for that matter? DC made some bad signings in his last 4 transfer windows at the club but the most the club has spent on a fee since wael and co have joined here is around £350k on TN and was the highest on by far. I think most fans hoped there would be substantial investment on and off the field but equally many recognised we have no right to expect the kind of investment some are demanding. I wouldn't say DC overspent but signings for £300k, £250k etc represent massive deals for any club who hasn't been able to tap into Championship parachute payments nor have an individual pumping money in to the club. Very good point my friend.Looking at it that way we have spent £300k here,and £150k there... which most other clubs outside the Championship bar -Sundeland etc cant do. My best mate is City fan and I honest dont know any other there players.But he was telling me that they are about to sell a CB for over £20 million.City have jumped from a club spending £500k - £1million in league One about 10 years ago and for two seasons 3/4 years ago? To selling a championship CB for £20 million! Its pure Madness.. and this is not a knock at BCFC but they are only a mid table - top six championship club.So the gulf between Championship and L1 is huge now and we have spent pretty big for L1 looking at it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 12:58:37 GMT
I think most fans hoped there would be substantial investment on and off the field but equally many recognised we have no right to expect the kind of investment some are demanding. I wouldn't say DC overspent but signings for £300k, £250k etc represent massive deals for any club who hasn't been able to tap into Championship parachute payments nor have an individual pumping money in to the club. And in that time how much did we make from the Chelsea match...and then add in the sales of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison? Pales into insignificance when you consider our losses each season. How many clubs outside the big few have spent the kind of money we spent on Nichols and Payne this summer?
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2019 13:11:47 GMT
And in that time how much did we make from the Chelsea match...and then add in the sales of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison? Pales into insignificance when you consider our losses each season. How many clubs outside the big few have spent the kind of money we spent on Nichols and Payne this summer? Oxford, MK Dons, Peterborough and Blackpool. I'd also add Rotherham United to the list, but depends whether you would consider them one of the "big few".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 14:16:15 GMT
Pales into insignificance when you consider our losses each season. How many clubs outside the big few have spent the kind of money we spent on Nichols and Payne this summer? Oxford, MK Dons, Peterborough and Blackpool. I'd also add Rotherham United to the list, but depends whether you would consider them one of the "big few". The vast majority haven't then, and it's unclear whether certainly Oxford, Blackpool spend the kind of money we spent on Nichols. In a nutshell, DC was backed relative to our level.
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2019 14:43:42 GMT
Oxford, MK Dons, Peterborough and Blackpool. I'd also add Rotherham United to the list, but depends whether you would consider them one of the "big few". The vast majority haven't then, and it's unclear whether certainly Oxford, Blackpool spend the kind of money we spent on Nichols. In a nutshell, DC was backed relative to our level. Oxford spent £300k on Moore (plus a fee for Fosu) and Blackpool £350k for Nuttall (plus a fee for Hardie).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 14:45:36 GMT
The vast majority haven't then, and it's unclear whether certainly Oxford, Blackpool spend the kind of money we spent on Nichols. In a nutshell, DC was backed relative to our level. Oxford spent £300k on Moore and Blackpool £350k for Nuttall. Source?
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2019 14:57:28 GMT
Oxford spent £300k on Moore and Blackpool £350k for Nuttall. Source? It's what I've been told by someone involved in the game. Blackburn turned down permanent bids in January for Nuttall, reportedly for around £275k, so I'd say the 350k figure sounds about right considering he had 2 years left on his contract too. Oxford were bidding around £700k* for a centre back in Scotland earlier this summer, so I doubt they would balk at paying £300k for Leicester's U23 captain. Edit: *£500k
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Post by eastgas on Aug 2, 2019 15:06:57 GMT
Don’t want to sound like I’m moaning here but why does every thread atm descend into the same topic as every other? We have so many threads where we are debating the ins and outs of how the club is being ran or the lack of investment or the bad business practice of over spending. I know it’s a forum where people come to discuss their opinions and that is totally fine by me but it’s hard to read a thread on here atm without having to re-read over the same stuff we have previously for the last couple of months. I don’t read or join in on those kind of threads because as people have stated, if you don’t want to read it you don’t have to which I agree with, but it’s getting increasingly hard to avoid the subject when even a thread about an upcoming match is being hijacked. Sorry for the little rant UTG
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 15:07:50 GMT
It's what I've been told by someone involved in the game. Blackburn turned down permanent bids in January for Nuttall, reportedly for around £275k, so I'd say the 350k figure sounds about right considering he had 2 years left on his contract too. Oxford were bidding around £700k* for a centre back in Scotland earlier this summer, so I doubt they would balk at paying £300k for Leicester's U23 captain. Edit: *£500k Fair enough. Feels like the amounts are somewhat unclear but investments nonetheless. If that's correct it makes the JCH capture look like a steal.
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2019 15:25:53 GMT
Don’t want to sound like I’m moaning here but why does every thread atm descend into the same topic as every other? We have so many threads where we are debating the ins and outs of how the club is being ran or the lack of investment or the bad business practice of over spending. I know it’s a forum where people come to discuss their opinions and that is totally fine by me but it’s hard to read a thread on here atm without having to re-read over the same stuff we have previously for the last couple of months. I don’t read or join in on those kind of threads because as people have stated, if you don’t want to read it you don’t have to which I agree with, but it’s getting increasingly hard to avoid the subject when even a thread about an upcoming match is being hijacked. Sorry for the little rant UTG It's all related. GC stated in the opening post how he couldn't afford Nuttall, a player we have been interested in for a few windows, who has now joined Blackpool.
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