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Post by neilv93 on Sept 3, 2019 7:22:52 GMT
We did finish 10th and 13th in league one under dc didnt we? Or did i imagine it? Aye but our highest finish in 25+ years or whatever isn't enough to justify Darrell as successful if you read this forum. If Cogs takes us to tenth you wouldn't find many complaints, let alone with a Conference squad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 7:44:27 GMT
We did finish 10th and 13th in league one under dc didnt we? Or did i imagine it? Yep - so did Paul Trollope after promotion - what is the point you're trying to make? DC is history move on ffs - btw Paul Trollope took us to the FA Cup quarter finals - did DC ever get us past the 1st Round? Well yes paul trollope and darrell clarke are two of 5 rovers manages ever to achieve a promotion so i can never understand anybody denying their rightful place in our history. Regarding the fa cup i will take 2 promotions and 2 decent league one seasons over a cup run in a badly diminished competition every time. The clear evidence shows that dc was in no way out of his depth in league one.
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Post by Marshy on Sept 4, 2019 6:32:36 GMT
Anyone know what happened to our favourite poster - Midlandgas? I know he wound me up a bit but I hope he’s okay? Perhaps he’s now a season ticket holder at Walsall seeing he loved DC so much? 😁
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 4, 2019 7:55:12 GMT
We did finish 10th and 13th in league one under dc didnt we? Or did i imagine it? Aye but our highest finish in 25+ years or whatever isn't enough to justify Darrell as successful if you read this forum. If Cogs takes us to tenth you wouldn't find many complaints, let alone with a Conference squad. No one is saying it wasn’t a success Nev, because it was. But DC lost his way and that can’t be denied. Who abandoned his policies, principals and his own rules once he had a bit more money to spend and a bit more power to wield. DC had this obsession with 10th and beating Trolls but he lost his way and actually morphed into him in a way by giving out long and expensive contracts to players who didn’t earn it, playing his favourites regardless of form because of some thinking that undivided loyalty would mean they would run all day for him and that same loyalty would mean they would never desert him. There is nothing wrong with taking on an ageing player from the championship, but not on £3.5k per week and a 2+1 appearance based contract. There is nothing wrong in having a punt on a player from the conference who is in form and scoring goals, but don’t pay him nearly £2k per week. You need to be a shrewd manager in L1. Spending a fortune won’t guarantee you success. Leeds, Charlton, Notts Forrest and Pompey have all discovered that the hard way.
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Post by romangas on Sept 4, 2019 8:23:07 GMT
There are similar paths trodden by Paul Trollope and Darryl Clarke as managers at BRFC. Both achieved promotions, both were successful. Then the lights went out and the struggle/s started for both. Trolls and Chris Hughton clearly get on and work well together. Assistant to Chris Coleman at Wales is surely another progression...and perhaps that is his strength, being a No2. To be negative about either is hard to fathom. GC, possibly, now finds himself in that very same twilight zone, albeit his tenure is a lot shorter.Lightning striking three times...maybe.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 4, 2019 8:24:23 GMT
Aye but our highest finish in 25+ years or whatever isn't enough to justify Darrell as successful if you read this forum. If Cogs takes us to tenth you wouldn't find many complaints, let alone with a Conference squad. No one is saying it wasn’t a success Nev, because it was. But DC lost his way and that can’t be denied. Who abandoned his policies, principals and his own rules once he had a bit more money to spend and a bit more power to wield. DC had this obsession with 10th and beating Trolls but he lost his way and actually morphed into him in a way by giving out long and expensive contracts to players who didn’t earn it, playing his favourites regardless of form because of some thinking that undivided loyalty would mean they would run all day for him and that same loyalty would mean they would never desert him. There is nothing wrong with taking on an ageing player from the championship, but not on £3.5k per week and a 2+1 appearance based contract. There is nothing wrong in having a punt on a player from the conference who is in form and scoring goals, but don’t pay him nearly £2k per week. You need to be a shrewd manager in L1. Spending a fortune won’t guarantee you success. Leeds, Charlton, Notts Forrest and Pompey have all discovered that the hard way. Don't disagree with any of that 1981 (btw who tf is Nev?) but saying 'no one is saying it/he wasn't a success' is false. There's plenty of posters on this forum with an obsession agenda against arguably our most successful manager ever and it's sad to see his clear successes (back-to-back promotions and two healthy L1 finishes) get tarnished on the basis of some disliking the bloke or being blinded by a poor final season. He deserved to go when he did. He needed to. But a poor four months shouldn't write off a good four years IMO. Edit: just read that back and it seems slightly argumentative. I assure you it's not
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 8:26:33 GMT
Anyone know what happened to our favourite poster - Midlandgas? I know he wound me up a bit but I hope he’s okay? Perhaps he’s now a season ticket holder at Walsall seeing he loved DC so much? 😁 DC sacked Midlandgas disappears Midlandgas mate disappears (remember the random newbie that would come on and stick up for him claiming he had been banned?) My Theory: Midlandgas = DC Midlangas mate = MS Midlandgas + Midlandgas mate sirring the pot = faster sacking.
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Post by Marshy on Sept 4, 2019 8:45:50 GMT
Anyone know what happened to our favourite poster - Midlandgas? I know he wound me up a bit but I hope he’s okay? Perhaps he’s now a season ticket holder at Walsall seeing he loved DC so much? 😁 DC sacked Midlandgas disappears Midlandgas mate disappears (remember the random newbie that would come on and stick up for him claiming he had been banned?) My Theory: Midlandgas = DC Midlangas mate = MS Midlandgas + Midlandgas mate sirring the pot = faster sacking. Anything is possible, (apart from a new ground of course) after all this is BRFC!
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 4, 2019 9:01:39 GMT
No one is saying it wasn’t a success Nev, because it was. But DC lost his way and that can’t be denied. Who abandoned his policies, principals and his own rules once he had a bit more money to spend and a bit more power to wield. DC had this obsession with 10th and beating Trolls but he lost his way and actually morphed into him in a way by giving out long and expensive contracts to players who didn’t earn it, playing his favourites regardless of form because of some thinking that undivided loyalty would mean they would run all day for him and that same loyalty would mean they would never desert him. There is nothing wrong with taking on an ageing player from the championship, but not on £3.5k per week and a 2+1 appearance based contract. There is nothing wrong in having a punt on a player from the conference who is in form and scoring goals, but don’t pay him nearly £2k per week. You need to be a shrewd manager in L1. Spending a fortune won’t guarantee you success. Leeds, Charlton, Notts Forrest and Pompey have all discovered that the hard way. Don't disagree with any of that 1981 (btw who tf is Nev?) but saying 'no one is saying it/he wasn't a success' is false. There's plenty of posters on this forum with an obsession agenda against arguably our most successful manager ever and it's sad to see his clear successes (back-to-back promotions and two healthy L1 finishes) get tarnished on the basis of some disliking the bloke or being blinded by a poor final season. He deserved to go when he did. He needed to. But a poor four months shouldn't write off a good four years IMO. Edit: just read that back and it seems slightly argumentative. I assure you it's not Nev - sausage finger moment on the keyboard and then autocorrect! My apologies Neil!! Yes I agree with you, DCs tenure was a success. I don’t think there is an agenda, but a wide recognition that it wasn’t all rosy in the DC garden for more than 4 months. It ran longer than that and he lost his way a bit earlier and we are now paying the price under the stewardship of GC because we still have a few of DCs signings at the club which has hamstrung the current regime. My personal opinion is that GC isn’t the right man for us in the long term and if I was an owner serious about getting out of L1 I would be having Phil Parkinson’s number on speed dial and having Mans as his Number 2 with the long term vision of Mans taking over.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 4, 2019 9:21:52 GMT
Don't disagree with any of that 1981 (btw who tf is Nev?) but saying 'no one is saying it/he wasn't a success' is false. There's plenty of posters on this forum with an obsession agenda against arguably our most successful manager ever and it's sad to see his clear successes (back-to-back promotions and two healthy L1 finishes) get tarnished on the basis of some disliking the bloke or being blinded by a poor final season. He deserved to go when he did. He needed to. But a poor four months shouldn't write off a good four years IMO. Edit: just read that back and it seems slightly argumentative. I assure you it's not Nev - sausage finger moment on the keyboard and then autocorrect! My apologies Neil!! Yes I agree with you, DCs tenure was a success. I don’t think there is an agenda, but a wide recognition that it wasn’t all rosy in the DC garden for more than 4 months. It ran longer than that and he lost his way a bit earlier and we are now paying the price under the stewardship of GC because we still have a few of DCs signings at the club which has hamstrung the current regime. My personal opinion is that GC isn’t the right man for us in the long term and if I was an owner serious about getting out of L1 I would be having Phil Parkinson’s number on speed dial and having Mans as his Number 2 with the long term vision of Mans taking over. 100% agree with this, although I feel Parky will get the first decent available Championship job.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 4, 2019 9:59:59 GMT
Mods.
I think it may be time to end this thread?
If I remember correctly, the suspicion is it was started by a Shithead. He's had long enough pleasuring himself in his Knowle West bedroom at our expense, don't you agree?
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Post by Okebournegas on Sept 4, 2019 12:38:39 GMT
Don't disagree with any of that 1981 (btw who tf is Nev?) but saying 'no one is saying it/he wasn't a success' is false. There's plenty of posters on this forum with an obsession agenda against arguably our most successful manager ever and it's sad to see his clear successes (back-to-back promotions and two healthy L1 finishes) get tarnished on the basis of some disliking the bloke or being blinded by a poor final season. He deserved to go when he did. He needed to. But a poor four months shouldn't write off a good four years IMO. Edit: just read that back and it seems slightly argumentative. I assure you it's not Nev - sausage finger moment on the keyboard and then autocorrect! My apologies Neil!! Yes I agree with you, DCs tenure was a success. I don’t think there is an agenda, but a wide recognition that it wasn’t all rosy in the DC garden for more than 4 months. It ran longer than that and he lost his way a bit earlier and we are now paying the price under the stewardship of GC because we still have a few of DCs signings at the club which has hamstrung the current regime. My personal opinion is that GC isn’t the right man for us in the long term and if I was an owner serious about getting out of L1 I would be having Phil Parkinson’s number on speed dial and having Mans as his Number 2 with the long term vision of Mans taking over. Absolutely brilliant post , you worded it better than I could. Totally how I see it.
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Post by blueridge on Sept 4, 2019 13:53:19 GMT
Don't disagree with any of that 1981 (btw who tf is Nev?) but saying 'no one is saying it/he wasn't a success' is false. There's plenty of posters on this forum with an obsession agenda against arguably our most successful manager ever and it's sad to see his clear successes (back-to-back promotions and two healthy L1 finishes) get tarnished on the basis of some disliking the bloke or being blinded by a poor final season. He deserved to go when he did. He needed to. But a poor four months shouldn't write off a good four years IMO. Edit: just read that back and it seems slightly argumentative. I assure you it's not Nev - sausage finger moment on the keyboard and then autocorrect! My apologies Neil!! Yes I agree with you, DCs tenure was a success. I don’t think there is an agenda, but a wide recognition that it wasn’t all rosy in the DC garden for more than 4 months. It ran longer than that and he lost his way a bit earlier and we are now paying the price under the stewardship of GC because we still have a few of DCs signings at the club which has hamstrung the current regime. My personal opinion is that GC isn’t the right man for us in the long term and if I was an owner serious about getting out of L1 I would be having Phil Parkinson’s number on speed dial and having Mans as his Number 2 with the long term vision of Mans taking over. I really question your suggestion re Phil Parkinson as a future Manager and I'm sure Mark Little would agree. What makes his credentials so attractive? In an ideal world Mans would IMO be a great appointment and I even suggested as such in a much earlier post that he should be considered as a potential future Manager of our club. This was however before Mans publicly opened up about his personal issues regarding panic attacks etc - would he really want the serious stresses associated with being the No1 in a football club with high expectations - maybe not.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 4, 2019 15:13:19 GMT
for the original poster. No I dont
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Post by lpgas on Sept 4, 2019 15:14:12 GMT
Nev - sausage finger moment on the keyboard and then autocorrect! My apologies Neil!! Yes I agree with you, DCs tenure was a success. I don’t think there is an agenda, but a wide recognition that it wasn’t all rosy in the DC garden for more than 4 months. It ran longer than that and he lost his way a bit earlier and we are now paying the price under the stewardship of GC because we still have a few of DCs signings at the club which has hamstrung the current regime. My personal opinion is that GC isn’t the right man for us in the long term and if I was an owner serious about getting out of L1 I would be having Phil Parkinson’s number on speed dial and having Mans as his Number 2 with the long term vision of Mans taking over. Absolutely brilliant post , you worded it better than I could. Totally how I see it. You forgot the relegation out of the league
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Post by Okebournegas on Sept 4, 2019 18:53:14 GMT
Absolutely brilliant post , you worded it better than I could. Totally how I see it. You forgot the relegation out of the league Relegation out of the football league turned out to be a painful blessing in disguise, I still think we would of gone down , i started thinking that the writing was on the wall when Gow got injured , if he would of been in the team for the rest of the campaign, we may of survived , guess we’ll never know.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 4, 2019 20:09:57 GMT
Nev - sausage finger moment on the keyboard and then autocorrect! My apologies Neil!! Yes I agree with you, DCs tenure was a success. I don’t think there is an agenda, but a wide recognition that it wasn’t all rosy in the DC garden for more than 4 months. It ran longer than that and he lost his way a bit earlier and we are now paying the price under the stewardship of GC because we still have a few of DCs signings at the club which has hamstrung the current regime. My personal opinion is that GC isn’t the right man for us in the long term and if I was an owner serious about getting out of L1 I would be having Phil Parkinson’s number on speed dial and having Mans as his Number 2 with the long term vision of Mans taking over. I really question your suggestion re Phil Parkinson as a future Manager and I'm sure Mark Little would agree. What makes his credentials so attractive? In an ideal world Mans would IMO be a great appointment and I even suggested as such in a much earlier post that he should be considered as a potential future Manager of our club. This was however before Mans publicly opened up about his personal issues regarding panic attacks etc - would he really want the serious stresses associated with being the No1 in a football club with high expectations - maybe not. Promotion from L2 with Bradford and a L1 play off final. A Wembley cup final with Bradford. Automatic promotion from L1 with Bolton. Play offs with Charlton. We don’t know what really happened with Litts and Parkinson, but either way, no one player is bigger than the club and Parkinson’s record speaks for itself. Could you suggest someone better?
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Post by blueridge on Sept 5, 2019 5:21:23 GMT
I really question your suggestion re Phil Parkinson as a future Manager and I'm sure Mark Little would agree. What makes his credentials so attractive? In an ideal world Mans would IMO be a great appointment and I even suggested as such in a much earlier post that he should be considered as a potential future Manager of our club. This was however before Mans publicly opened up about his personal issues regarding panic attacks etc - would he really want the serious stresses associated with being the No1 in a football club with high expectations - maybe not. Promotion from L2 with Bradford and a L1 play off final. A Wembley cup final with Bradford. Automatic promotion from L1 with Bolton. Play offs with Charlton. We don’t know what really happened with Litts and Parkinson, but either way, no one player is bigger than the club and Parkinson’s record speaks for itself. Could you suggest someone better? I don't want to suggest anyone as we have Manager at the moment who should be given at least a chance without posters already suggesting replacements. I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch with the type of football that we are currently playing but there could be reasons why this is the case - not least budgetary restraints, player salaries and players that he's having to live with inherited from the previous manager. Parkinson's football is/was built on a similar style of play that GC currently employs and despite what you have listed, his record over a 15/16 year managerial career is nothing special - three good seasons (maybe four) and a poor win %.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 7:27:18 GMT
I miss being far away from our clubs glass ceiling and actually having something to strive for! League one survival just sucks!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 6, 2019 8:10:39 GMT
Yep - so did Paul Trollope after promotion - what is the point you're trying to make? DC is history move on ffs - btw Paul Trollope took us to the FA Cup quarter finals - did DC ever get us past the 1st Round? Well yes paul trollope and darrell clarke are two of 5 rovers manages ever to achieve a promotion so i can never understand anybody denying their rightful place in our history. Regarding the fa cup i will take 2 promotions and 2 decent league one seasons over a cup run in a badly diminished competition every time. The clear evidence shows that dc was in no way out of his depth in league one. Good post bb. Cuts across the cr** and is factually correct. Those two seasons 16/17 and 17/18 show he was comfortable in League 1. A poor summers recruitment, a bad start and him getting side-tracked into club politics saw him go but doesn’t take away from those two mid table finishes. Some don’t like him end of, no use arguing with them as they confuse the personal with the professional. He’s gone, we move on and support GC. UTG!
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