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Post by chewbacca on Oct 14, 2019 9:08:17 GMT
I’d be surprised if he doesn’t go back in as captain. He was given the armband at the start of the season and it would be a big confidence knock to take it off him. Some would say make him club captain and Craig match day but realistically what does that mean? You’re either skipper or not. As has been said he is a solid pro but not the player to lead the team IMO, Craig might be older but has played most of his career at a higher level. TL was young but has gone on to play higher. UTG Does Ollie Clarke deserve a spot back in the starting 11? I would say OC is a good squad player but should benched in the first instance. I don't think anyone could honestly say he was that influential before injury that we should drop Upson, Ogogo or Sercombe, when all three are playing very well together, Sercombe looking almost back to his best, playing with some energy again. I think GC would be foolish to change what is currently working to accommodate OC. I think Ollie is and will continue to be a vital player for Rovers, as good as we've been in recent weeks we're a little light currently on midfielders (seen with Cameron Hargreaves getting 15 minutes when Upson came off). Our three starting midfielders at the moment are all differing styles of player, and in my opinion the only player in the squad that can play all three roles is Ollie Clarke. The Starting XI is a myth now, there's around 16 players all playing regularly, it's just dependant on a number of variables.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 14, 2019 9:19:31 GMT
Where do people get this foundation from that wearing a captain’s armband is just symbolic? I just spoken to a Championship manager regarding this and he said for him it’s more than this. Terry, Keane, Vierra, all symbolic just as it was for Cogs playing under Sturrock who never spoke much off the park, never went into coached together, Sturrock never watched us last season, symbolically my arse. Cogs was his eyes and ears on and off the pitch and Craig was Mr Millwall under different managers at Millwall. I back my opinion up with foundation and the opinion of a professional manager. It's a British construct though.
In world football on the whole it's always doled out to either the best or most experienced player. Players don't need an armband to lead, in fact many with an armband haven't led. The British vision of leading with a puffed out chest, shouting, pointing, a primal, fearless, warrior. In real terms it's probably one of the reasons we've not won a World Cup since 1966.
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Post by singupgas on Oct 14, 2019 9:40:38 GMT
Does Ollie Clarke deserve a spot back in the starting 11? I would say OC is a good squad player but should benched in the first instance. I don't think anyone could honestly say he was that influential before injury that we should drop Upson, Ogogo or Sercombe, when all three are playing very well together, Sercombe looking almost back to his best, playing with some energy again. I think GC would be foolish to change what is currently working to accommodate OC. I think Ollie is and will continue to be a vital player for Rovers, as good as we've been in recent weeks we're a little light currently on midfielders (seen with Cameron Hargreaves getting 15 minutes when Upson came off). Our three starting midfielders at the moment are all differing styles of player, and in my opinion the only player in the squad that can play all three roles is Ollie Clarke. The Starting XI is a myth now, there's around 16 players all playing regularly, it's just dependant on a number of variables. I think you rate OC much higher than i do. Surely that is good thing to have though,players that have different styles? To have 3/4 Midfielder that all do the same job would be bad making us one dimensional and predictable. I dont think OC is as good as Upon is at getting the ball and linking up with other players,or as good as Ogogo at chasing down every ball and winning it back or as good as Sercombe who can carry the ball forward and gets involved in attacking. If OC can play different roles and is more of utility player, then he is better filling when other players are not available. IMO.
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Post by jaydan on Oct 14, 2019 9:49:30 GMT
On the club website "In Pictures" of the MK game there's a photo of the players celebrating Tom Davies goal. Tony Craig is taking the opportunity to pass on some thoughts/encouragement/tactics to Abu. Great snap shot (pun intended) of TC's leadership so far this season.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 14, 2019 9:56:48 GMT
I think Ollie is and will continue to be a vital player for Rovers, as good as we've been in recent weeks we're a little light currently on midfielders (seen with Cameron Hargreaves getting 15 minutes when Upson came off). Our three starting midfielders at the moment are all differing styles of player, and in my opinion the only player in the squad that can play all three roles is Ollie Clarke. The Starting XI is a myth now, there's around 16 players all playing regularly, it's just dependant on a number of variables. I think you rate OC much higher than i do. Surely that is good thing to have though,players that have different styles? To have 3/4 Midfielder that all do the same job would be bad making us one dimensional and predictable. I dont think OC is as good as Upon is at getting the ball and linking up with other players,or as good as Ogogo at chasing down every ball and winning it back or as good as Sercombe who can carry the ball forward and gets involved in attacking. If OC can play different roles and is more of utility player, then he is better filling when other players are not available. IMO. That's pretty much exactly what I said, Clarke is an old fashioned box to box midfielder. Like I said, he can perform all three roles the current incumbents can do. A fit Clarke allows us to select tactically with regards to the team we're facing. For instance, Ipswich away could potentially see Clarke slot into Liam Sercombe's role but giving us a bit more defensive stability in the midfield. Bolton at home could see us give Ogogo or Upson a rest at the base of midfield and allow us to potentially have more forward drive. While things are working at the moment, having the ability to move players about, give them rests and having players who can sit in is key.
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 14, 2019 12:26:18 GMT
Where do people get this foundation from that wearing a captain’s armband is just symbolic? I just spoken to a Championship manager regarding this and he said for him it’s more than this. Terry, Keane, Vierra, all symbolic just as it was for Cogs playing under Sturrock who never spoke much off the park, never went into coached together, Sturrock never watched us last season, symbolically my arse. Cogs was his eyes and ears on and off the pitch and Craig was Mr Millwall under different managers at Millwall. I back my opinion up with foundation and the opinion of a professional manager. There’s the visible side publicly of being captain, ie what we see out on the pitch and there’s everything we don’t see, ie being the gaffers right hand man and leading the team behind the scenes and being the go between. Ideally on the pitch the captain is expected to assist the ref with disciplinary issues, but the big one for fans is leadership by actions and deeds. Being able to command your own job while coaching, organising and encouraging everyone around you, so watching out for everyone else’s game while also fulfilling your own. A player can do that without wearing an armband, but the player doing all that should be wearing the armband. Ollie Clarke would take great credit if he volunteered the captaincy to Tony Craig after seeing what’s happened while he’s been out injured.
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 14, 2019 19:19:52 GMT
Craig is top class, must stay as a future coach
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Post by Fat Albert on Oct 14, 2019 19:31:53 GMT
As has been said I don’t think OC should go back into the team straight away but... being the captain I reckon he will.
That’s the thing, normally the captain is a player of such stature he goes back in regardless. I personally don’t think that’s the case here.
UTG
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Post by yaz on Oct 15, 2019 21:40:47 GMT
Not only is he class but he is an ever present who goes about his business quietly. Great team player and perfect for the other youngsters. Always liked him because of his attitude. Similar to JCH and you can feel the controlled aggression inside that is bubbling there. Also Luke Leahy and Josh Hare (sad to see him injured) are stand out wing backs with a very simple job that they do superb. Defend when defending, move wide when we attack, be there to receive the long ball and then cross it as soon as you get it into the box. No huffing, no puffing needed. Both great crossers plus Luke can really jump and head the ball properly. I also think he should take a few of our free kicks that are within range but a little too far for others because I think he has a great left foot shot that he has hardly shown? Notice how our kicks down the line have improved so much this season? Because we do less and they rarely go out? We need to improve our throw in tactics as well; too many instant pass backs to thrower? Corners are so so; forget the short ones generally or do them but instant cross into box? UTG
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Post by c4h10 on Oct 15, 2019 21:53:46 GMT
Not only is he class but he is an ever present who goes about his business quietly. Great team player and perfect for the other youngsters. Always liked him because of his attitude. Similar to JCH and you can feel the controlled aggression inside that is bubbling there. Also Luke Leahy and Josh Hare (sad to see him injured) are stand out wing backs with a very simple job that they do superb. Defend when defending, move wide when we attack, be there to receive the long ball and then cross it as soon as you get it into the box. No huffing, no puffing needed. Both great crossers plus Luke can really jump and head the ball properly. I also think he should take a few of our free kicks that are within range but a little too far for others because I think he has a great left foot shot that he has hardly shown? Notice how our kicks down the line have improved so much this season? Because we do less and they rarely go out? We need to improve our throw in tactics as well; too many instant pass backs to thrower?Corners are so so; forget the short ones generally or do them but instant cross into box? UTG Also, failure to mark up at opposition throw-ins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 13:35:41 GMT
Captains don’t matter to all these so called pundits on here.
Well that ended that debate today.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 26, 2019 17:39:25 GMT
Captains don’t matter to all these so called pundits on here. Well that ended that debate today. He was at fault for the second goal.
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Post by Baxtinho on Oct 26, 2019 17:52:46 GMT
Captains don’t matter to all these so called pundits on here. Well that ended that debate today. Would you elaborate please. We were terrible for ninety minutes, and scored two despite only having one shot on target. I don't know which players had the armband on today - which is precisely the point.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 26, 2019 18:01:21 GMT
Captains don’t matter to all these so called pundits on here. Well that ended that debate today. Would you elaborate please. We were terrible for ninety minutes, and scored two despite only having one shot on target. I don't know which players had the armband on today - which is precisely the point. How were we terrible ? We had 3 on target btw - the 2 we scored and the one tipped round the post from Upson's shot in the first half. We had more corners, more territory and more possession.
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Post by Baxtinho on Oct 26, 2019 18:06:24 GMT
Would you elaborate please. We were terrible for ninety minutes, and scored two despite only having one shot on target. I don't know which players had the armband on today - which is precisely the point. How were we terrible ? We had 3 on target btw - the 2 we scored and the one tipped round the post from Upson's shot in the first half. We had more corners, more territory and more possession. Annoyingly I can't show you the stats from BBC sport website (as I'm on my phone), but we had 1 shot on target. Our second goal was a definite own goal. If you don't think we were terrible then I can't talk to you about football.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 26, 2019 18:12:46 GMT
How were we terrible ? We had 3 on target btw - the 2 we scored and the one tipped round the post from Upson's shot in the first half. We had more corners, more territory and more possession. Annoyingly I can't show you the stats from BBC sport website (as I'm on my phone), but we had 1 shot on target. Our second goal was a definite own goal. If you don't think we were terrible then I can't talk to you about football. Yeah I've seen BBC stats too - but it must be wrong - it does happen sometimes doesn't it ? we scored 2 - they must have been on target and Upson had a shot tipped round the post in first half - ref gave a corner - that makes 3. Why were we terrible ?
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 26, 2019 18:24:57 GMT
Captains don’t matter to all these so called pundits on here. Well that ended that debate today. He was at fault for the second goal. He will still be mom in that Stephen Kayes 92 much loved match report.
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 26, 2019 18:27:06 GMT
Captains don’t matter to all these so called pundits on here. Well that ended that debate today. He was at fault for the second goal. Much the same as Tuesday night then?
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Post by axegas on Oct 26, 2019 18:34:06 GMT
How were we terrible ? We had 3 on target btw - the 2 we scored and the one tipped round the post from Upson's shot in the first half. We had more corners, more territory and more possession. Annoyingly I can't show you the stats from BBC sport website (as I'm on my phone), but we had 1 shot on target. Our second goal was a definite own goal. If you don't think we were terrible then I can't talk to you about football. I thought that for much of the game we lacked cutting edge, were laborious in possession and vulnerable to counterattacks but to label the team as terrible in my eyes is unfair as apart from a dodgy spell in the first half, we were very much in the game and having possession in their half. I’d even go as far as saying we were marginally the better team in the second half and deserved a draw at the end of things. If you were there at Bolton you would have witnessed much worse from us.
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Post by Baxtinho on Oct 26, 2019 18:37:36 GMT
Annoyingly I can't show you the stats from BBC sport website (as I'm on my phone), but we had 1 shot on target. Our second goal was a definite own goal. If you don't think we were terrible then I can't talk to you about football. . If you were there at Bolton you would have witnessed much worse from us. I was there. We were even worse, you're right.
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