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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 14:30:57 GMT
So they've spent some of their personal wealth on us? Must of missed that one. You did. Borrowing against your only asset is hardly spending out of your own pocket.
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Post by baggins on Nov 12, 2019 14:32:34 GMT
Borrowing against your only asset is hardly spending out of your own pocket. Where did the money come from to buy us?
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Post by oldgas on Nov 12, 2019 14:39:31 GMT
I’m a bit of a rebel baggins Always have been . Always will be . VI’ve la Revolution 😀😄😅 consequence of my French DNA probably 👍🤔😇utg Are you a Remainer?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 12, 2019 14:41:38 GMT
Just out of interest don't think anyone's mentioned a possible DC versus matty Taylor game if walsall win their replay I thought it when it came out of the bag. No doubt who I’d want to win. UTG!
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Post by oldgas on Nov 12, 2019 14:48:42 GMT
Axe hasn't put down his Conference season at all. DC knew exactly what was needed to gain promotion, having managed in non-league prior to us. He didn't make the mistake of signing technically gifted players like other managers who found themselves in the Conference, he signed battlers who could play other sides at their style and level. Plus he got some outrageous luck at Wembley versus 'Grimsbury'. I was there and I had my head in my hands when Puddy handled outside his area. I was amazed when the ref bottled it and only gave him a yellow. That was a sending -off all day long, and that would have been the game gone with 80+ minutes and 10 men, because we were outplayed that day. Did I celebrate? Of course I did, and madly. I was a little perturbed at the way DC turned and ran to the Rovers end when Lee's pen went in. He split the players celebration and it seemed like he was making it all about him when that should have been the players moment. You may say I am being unkind, but he's got form regarding his ego, his statements about 'Me fans' etc. I am not saying that I was anything other than grateful fot the 2 promotions and will always respect DC for them. However, he has been Sussed, found out and I'm afraid he is a one trick pony and only capable in the Conference divisions, and barely competent in League 2 if his present performance is anything to go by. he Jesus. What a disgustingly disrespectful post that is. Ridiculous post clearly made by someone who seems to have a very strange axe to grind with a man who has had nothing to do with our football club for 12 months! Grow up and move on. Disrespectful? I believe I wrote "I was grateful for the 2 promotions and will always respect DC for them" I have no axe to grind with DC, I am merely giving an opinion on a current thread. I apologise because I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have a different opinion to you. Perhaps you would be good enough to proof-read any further posts I might wish to add, just to make sure they pass your stringent disgustingly disrespectful tests. Finally, if you have evidence to show my last paragraph isn't true I would be fascinated to see it. Perhaps you should consider if your last sentence might equally apply to you.
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Post by blueridge on Nov 12, 2019 14:53:06 GMT
You're always looking for a negative even from a positive post - what the f**ks up with you? Nothing,i am fine thanks. I will always argue against the view that promotion from the conference was a given or that it was lucky. We were the second best team in the Conference that season and second best by a country mile at Wembley - if you don't think we we were lucky and rode our luck that day, I fully understand that nothing will convince you otherwise irrespective of the facts.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 12, 2019 14:54:25 GMT
Jesus. What a disgustingly disrespectful post that is. Ridiculous post clearly made by someone who seems to have a very strange axe to grind with a man who has had nothing to do with our football club for 12 months! Grow up and move on. Disrespectful? I believe I wrote "I was grateful for the 2 promotions and will always respect DC for them" I have no axe to grind with DC, I am merely giving an opinion on a current thread. I apologise because I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have a different opinion to you. Perhaps you would be good enough to proof-read any further posts I might wish to add, just to make sure they pass your stringent disgustingly disrespectful tests. Finally, if you have evidence to show my last paragraph isn't true I would be fascinated to see it. Perhaps you should consider if your last sentence might equally apply to you. "I'm afraid he is a one trick pony and only capable in the Conference divisions" If you genuinely cannot see that comment is disrespectful then we had may as well end this discussion now. You are talking about a man whom we ALL (like it or not) owe a huge debt of gratitude. You and one or two others would do well to remember that frankly.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 12, 2019 14:58:20 GMT
Axe hasn't put down his Conference season at all. DC knew exactly what was needed to gain promotion, having managed in non-league prior to us. He didn't make the mistake of signing technically gifted players like other managers who found themselves in the Conference, he signed battlers who could play other sides at their style and level. Plus he got some outrageous luck at Wembley versus 'Grimsbury'. I was there and I had my head in my hands when Puddy handled outside his area. I was amazed when the ref bottled it and only gave him a yellow. That was a sending -off all day long, and that would have been the game gone with 80+ minutes and 10 men, because we were outplayed that day. Did I celebrate? Of course I did, and madly. I was a little perturbed at the way DC turned and ran to the Rovers end when Lee's pen went in. He split the players celebration and it seemed like he was making it all about him when that should have been the players moment. You may say I am being unkind, but he's got form regarding his ego, his statements about 'Me fans' etc. I am not saying that I was anything other than grateful fot the 2 promotions and will always respect DC for them. However, he has been Sussed, found out and I'm afraid he is a one trick pony and only capable in the Conference divisions, and barely competent in League 2 if his present performance is anything to go by. he But your forgetting the 10th and 13th place finishes in league 1? They did actually happen. I am really glad that was i just relieved we won at wembley without the burden of analysing the dc run onto the pitch as something dark and suspicious. There was me thinking he was just overjoyed that we made it back into the league,how naive of me. No I haven't forgotten those finishes, in fact I was amazed that we finished so high in the first season, and concerned when we started to fall away in the second. It seems to me that DC was unable to replace Mansell, Taylor and Bodin, three lucky strikes for him. The way Taylor went was disgraceful, but Rovers must have realised it was a strong possibility yet did nothing to line up a replacement when they must have known he was going. Instead we were lumbered with the disaster that was Luke James. Bodin wasn't adequately replaced either, yet DC was busy telling us what a good budget he had, then he didn't, then he did. It seems to me that was the beginning of the end. The end of the second season carried on into the start of the 3rd, and we all know how that ended. It's a shame that it isn't working for him at Walsall, and from reading their forum, patience is running out and they're talking about wanting him gone.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 12, 2019 15:04:01 GMT
Disrespectful? I believe I wrote "I was grateful for the 2 promotions and will always respect DC for them" I have no axe to grind with DC, I am merely giving an opinion on a current thread. I apologise because I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have a different opinion to you. Perhaps you would be good enough to proof-read any further posts I might wish to add, just to make sure they pass your stringent disgustingly disrespectful tests. Finally, if you have evidence to show my last paragraph isn't true I would be fascinated to see it. Perhaps you should consider if your last sentence might equally apply to you. "I'm afraid he is a one trick pony and only capable in the Conference divisions" If you genuinely cannot see that comment is disrespectful then we had may as well end this discussion now. You are talking about a man whom we ALL (like it or not) owe a huge debt of gratitude. You and one or two others would do well to remember that frankly. I do remember with gratitude that he got us 2 promotions and I have also stated I will always respect him for that. I have written as much many times. Obviously taking over at Walsall, being allowed to build his own team with a blank canvass then managing them to within a couple of places from the bottom of League 2 marks him out as an exceptional league manager. I should imagine that Arsenal or Southampton will come calling within days.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 12, 2019 15:12:14 GMT
"I'm afraid he is a one trick pony and only capable in the Conference divisions" If you genuinely cannot see that comment is disrespectful then we had may as well end this discussion now. You are talking about a man whom we ALL (like it or not) owe a huge debt of gratitude. You and one or two others would do well to remember that frankly. I do remember with gratitude that he got us 2 promotions and I have also stated I will always respect him for that. I have written as much many times. Obviously taking over at Walsall, being allowed to build his own team with a blank canvass then managing them to within a couple of places from the bottom of League 2 marks him out as an exceptional league manager. I should imagine that Arsenal or Southampton will come calling within days. Deary me, as I suspected, pointless trying to have a conversation with you. Quite the ironic username you have considering you seem to frequently revert to sarcasm and childish insults. Very clever. Anyway, you do not seem to have much time for DC and you are well within you're rights not to. Lets leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 15:36:36 GMT
But your forgetting the 10th and 13th place finishes in league 1? They did actually happen. I am really glad that was i just relieved we won at wembley without the burden of analysing the dc run onto the pitch as something dark and suspicious. There was me thinking he was just overjoyed that we made it back into the league,how naive of me. No I haven't forgotten those finishes, in fact I was amazed that we finished so high in the first season, and concerned when we started to fall away in the second. It seems to me that DC was unable to replace Mansell, Taylor and Bodin, three lucky strikes for him. The way Taylor went was disgraceful, but Rovers must have realised it was a strong possibility yet did nothing to line up a replacement when they must have known he was going. Instead we were lumbered with the disaster that was Luke James. Bodin wasn't adequately replaced either, yet DC was busy telling us what a good budget he had, then he didn't, then he did. It seems to me that was the beginning of the end. The end of the second season carried on into the start of the 3rd, and we all know how that ended. It's a shame that it isn't working for him at Walsall, and from reading their forum, patience is running out and they're talking about wanting him gone. So the good signings were "lucky strikes" but the poor signings were just poor signings?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 15:39:49 GMT
Nothing,i am fine thanks. I will always argue against the view that promotion from the conference was a given or that it was lucky. We were the second best team in the Conference that season and second best by a country mile at Wembley - if you don't think we we were lucky and rode our luck that day, I fully understand that nothing will convince you otherwise irrespective of the facts. Thing is we finished 5 points above grimsby in the league table so any luck you believe we got on the day was well deserved.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 12, 2019 15:50:30 GMT
No I haven't forgotten those finishes, in fact I was amazed that we finished so high in the first season, and concerned when we started to fall away in the second. It seems to me that DC was unable to replace Mansell, Taylor and Bodin, three lucky strikes for him. The way Taylor went was disgraceful, but Rovers must have realised it was a strong possibility yet did nothing to line up a replacement when they must have known he was going. Instead we were lumbered with the disaster that was Luke James. Bodin wasn't adequately replaced either, yet DC was busy telling us what a good budget he had, then he didn't, then he did. It seems to me that was the beginning of the end. The end of the second season carried on into the start of the 3rd, and we all know how that ended. It's a shame that it isn't working for him at Walsall, and from reading their forum, patience is running out and they're talking about wanting him gone. So the good signings were "lucky strikes" but the poor signings were just poor signings? This makes me laugh when people class them as lucky. They also seem to forget the entire squad that he signed that took us from the 5th division for the 3rd. But instead, let's focus on the signing of Tom Nichols and use that to summarise his entire reign with us.
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Post by axegas on Nov 12, 2019 17:17:54 GMT
I can see Walsall fans point of view though, yes DC has had success at his former clubs but that counts for nothing when his side underperforming and consistently losing games at a club looking to get back to league one. If Rovers were in that situation, I know plenty of Gasheads would be calling for the sack too. With us he had the luxury of leading a team in the conference that had one of the largest budgets in the league and were a big fish in a small pond, which allowed him to find the right players, pick up some momentum and approach L2 again with a good squad. He doesn’t have that as much at Walsall so it will be a real test of his managerial ability to turn this slump around and get them to the right end of the table. I for one hope he manages to do that, his tenure at the gas will always be looked upon fondly, achieving back to back promotions is completely unprecedented in the history of the club and I’ve got the greatest respect towards him for doing so. Some fair points but I think it’s odd that fans are choosing now to mitigate against what he achieved in the conference. It’s correct of course, but I just don’t recall many saying it at the time and I reckon if someone like myself who has a reputation for being negative had said that at the time I would have received dogs abuse! Let’s not forget how long Luton were down there and their budget must have been huge so it’s really not as easy “here’s a big budget” -> get promoted -> profit Not trying to talk down his promotion out of the conference at all because I agree with you that attempts to rubbish it on here are unjust. He had to deal with massive expectations, getting out of any league isn’t the easiest challenge and he was expected to do it at the first attempt. In addition to that he had to gel an entire new group of players together and reach one of the two promotion spots in a 24 team league. We’ve all seen the likes of Tranmere, Wrexham and Luton struggle down there, could have easily been us. My point was just simply that he hasn’t got it easy at Walsall. He’s still got to contend with big expectations and a massive turnover of players but this time his got to do it on an average budget and compete against larger clubs. Let’s face it players like Brown, Harrison and Lockyer should never have been playing non league football. Fingers crossed though that he turns it around at Walsall, it wasn’t pleasant to see the state that he was in during the last 6 months at Rovers and hope he doesn’t fall into that again with them.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 12, 2019 17:53:34 GMT
I do remember with gratitude that he got us 2 promotions and I have also stated I will always respect him for that. I have written as much many times. Obviously taking over at Walsall, being allowed to build his own team with a blank canvass then managing them to within a couple of places from the bottom of League 2 marks him out as an exceptional league manager. I should imagine that Arsenal or Southampton will come calling within days. Deary me, as I suspected, pointless trying to have a conversation with you. Quite the ironic username you have considering you seem to frequently revert to sarcasm and childish insults. Very clever. Anyway, you do not seem to have much time for DC and you are well within you're rights not to. Lets leave it at that. Shall we? I find it difficult having a convo with you as well. You don't like an opposing POV.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 12, 2019 18:17:34 GMT
No I haven't forgotten those finishes, in fact I was amazed that we finished so high in the first season, and concerned when we started to fall away in the second. It seems to me that DC was unable to replace Mansell, Taylor and Bodin, three lucky strikes for him. The way Taylor went was disgraceful, but Rovers must have realised it was a strong possibility yet did nothing to line up a replacement when they must have known he was going. Instead we were lumbered with the disaster that was Luke James. Bodin wasn't adequately replaced either, yet DC was busy telling us what a good budget he had, then he didn't, then he did. It seems to me that was the beginning of the end. The end of the second season carried on into the start of the 3rd, and we all know how that ended. It's a shame that it isn't working for him at Walsall, and from reading their forum, patience is running out and they're talking about wanting him gone. So the good signings were "lucky strikes" but the poor signings were just poor signings? Well, Taylor was going nowhere on FGR's bench. He started to bang em in after a shaky start, during which many on here, not me, were saying he was crap and should be dropped, and why was he signed, etc etc. He was replaced by Luke James who had come from Posh and had far more league pedigree than Taylor yet he never came good. Luckily he was on loan so didn't cost apart from wages. He was replaced by the ace that is Tom Nicholls, at an estimated £350k and a rumoured £3kpw for 3 years. Enough said. The injury prone Billy was given a chance, he stayed fit and developed into a fine player. He was sold, and unfortunately did his knee after a half season. Seems to only make the bench at PNE now. Replaced by Bennett. £4Kpw is his rumoured salary. So, the players that were good were unknowns and or injury prone. I'd say we got lucky with them. the other 3 were all expected to perform, and didn't, sometimes to spectacular levels.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 12, 2019 19:01:24 GMT
I could be wrong and I haven't done the research but my perception of DC's recruitment was good in the Conference and L2 but dropped off somewhat in the time spent in L1. It didn't help that whilst in L1 it is well documented that he lost some accomplished players and had considerable difficulty in adequately replacing them. For example, Luke James is no Snake!. But let's not forget who brought the Snake to Rovers in the first place!
Of course this is a simplification. I'm sure there were duds recruited in the Conference/L2 squads and gems recruited in L1.
DC has apparently told the Walsall fans that recruitment in the lower leagues is very hit and miss; a 50% success rate is to be considered acceptable.
UTG
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 12, 2019 19:23:49 GMT
I have to laugh when it’s said DC got lucky, 3 times 😂. One is lucky, two is incredible but 3 is just impossible to say it’s luck. Sure, he made some poor signings but let’s not forget that, by that time, we had different owners and so called experts, to help him. A certain Mr Widdrington and the guy whose name I can never remember but he does all the stats and runs the numbers. It seems to me that DC had less interference or call it what you like, under NH than he did with the AQ’s. I just think it’s quite sad that we are still talking about a man who left us over a year ago and left us in a much better position than when he started. He did exactly what he told us was his aim and he did give us what we asked for , in communication and telling it as it was and is. I will always shake his hand and thank him, if I ever see him & will remember him fondly. I won’t remember much of what happened for 2 days after the Dagenham game and I’m grateful for John Thompsins book, for the detail on that. Good luck DC, you will always have a pint or two, in the till if I ever see you around. You got us our Rovers back.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 12, 2019 20:01:15 GMT
So true KP 100% agree 👍😀 utg
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 12, 2019 20:14:38 GMT
I’m a bit of a rebel baggins Always have been . Always will be . VI’ve la Revolution 😀😄😅 consequence of my French DNA probably 👍🤔😇utg Are you a Remainer? Anarchist oldgas .. Capitalism will still be in place regardless 👎😖☺️☹️
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