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Post by warehamgas on Nov 13, 2019 13:36:54 GMT
As an impartial viewer... Let me stop you there. You didn't view the games, you're not impartial, and you don't know anything about the circumstances in which he took over. Honestly, you're welcome to come here and chat to us about Walsall, especially with the recent Gas connection, and anyone can look up the stats for that season, but if you really think it's a good idea to lecture us on games you didn't see just to serve your new-found dislike of DC then I'd suggest it isn't going to go well. I mean, do you genuinely think this hasn't been discussed here before? Do you think we weren't there? Do you think we didn't live through that bit of club-history-hell? Do you think we don't have strong opinions on exactly what went on, then, based on actually going through it? Do you think we're really waiting for some 'disinterested' party from the midlands to explain what really happened? Is that what you think your best role here might be? Really? Well done AF, great reply, great post. He is welcome to come on and post. But for all the reasons you’ve said he shouldn’t try to tell us what happened, we b***** well know! UTG! edit: just seen all the other agreements with AF, I posted when I saw AFs original reply.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 13, 2019 13:48:44 GMT
Yes — for the majority of the season lead by John ward . Utg
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 13, 2019 13:48:49 GMT
I suspect the vast majority of Rovers fans have a high regard for DC. He left us in a higher division that the one he started in. Also, imo it's totally unfair to blame him for the relegation to the Conference. That fault lies at others doors. Sadly, his last few months with us were woeful and that memory has, for some fans, tarnished his legacy. I hope that last night's result is the start of better things for him at Walsall. UTG As an impartial viewer I can only look at the facts of the relegation season that suggest otherwise. Correct me if they're wrong though.On 41 points when he took over on 28/3/14. 8 games to play including AFC, Wycombe, Mansfield, Torquay and Bury. Won first game at home to Morecambe. Won 1 more (Wycombe), drew 1 (AFC) and lost 5 games. 7 points from 15 (40 points over a season - form worsened against poor teams) It was 41 points from 38 games. Needed a draw on last day and lost. Apart from Bury and Mansfield (11th and 12th) all games he was in charge for were against teams that struggled if not relegated by the end of the season. Other circumstances don't come into it in my opinion. The form before he took over was better than when he did. And he knew the players, or maybe more importantly they knew him. Pretty sure I sat at Fratton Park on the Easter Saturday (?) to see us lose 2-3 to Pompey with Matt Harold scoring a great goal, so not all poor teams. But thank you for your research there may be someone on here who doesn’t still bear the emotional scars of those few weeks and may appreciate being told. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 13:53:39 GMT
It’s funny.
I suspect the same people who tell us you can’t judge Coughlan after 10 games are the same ones telling us you can judge DC based on 8.
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 13, 2019 14:28:10 GMT
Did i mention ..............DC=LEGEND !!!!!!
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 13, 2019 15:22:18 GMT
I suspect the vast majority of Rovers fans have a high regard for DC. He left us in a higher division that the one he started in. Also, imo it's totally unfair to blame him for the relegation to the Conference. That fault lies at others doors. Sadly, his last few months with us were woeful and that memory has, for some fans, tarnished his legacy. I hope that last night's result is the start of better things for him at Walsall. UTG As an impartial viewer I can only look at the facts of the relegation season that suggest otherwise. Correct me if they're wrong though. On 41 points when he took over on 28/3/14. 8 games to play including AFC, Wycombe, Mansfield, Torquay and Bury. Won first game at home to Morecambe. Won 1 more (Wycombe), drew 1 (AFC) and lost 5 games. 7 points from 15 (40 points over a season - form worsened against poor teams) It was 41 points from 38 games. Needed a draw on last day and lost. Apart from Bury and Mansfield (11th and 12th) all games he was in charge for were against teams that struggled if not relegated by the end of the season. Other circumstances don't come into it in my opinion. The form before he took over was better than when he did. And he knew the players, or maybe more importantly they knew him. DC was the man in charge when we were relegated but we were not relegated because of DC. It’s easy to say “you were X place and needed X points over X games”, but football doesn’t work like that. The fact that he is so respected here despite his last horrific few months speaks volumes. We had years of DC chopping and changing line ups - making subs after 20 minutes because the original game plan wasn’t going well. At least he had the balls to say he was wrong and try change it! We had years of it, and because of it, we had 3 1/2 very good seasons. That Mansfield game was like the Dagenham promotion game. We were all over them, post/bar but multiple times, keeper having the best performance of their career etc. Thankfully the Dagenham game had the correct ending though!
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Post by aghast on Nov 13, 2019 17:19:40 GMT
Years after the conflict between quantum mechanics and gravity is solved, when an answer to world peace has been found, and the question of whether God exists is resolved, still the question will be asked:'Did DC get us relegated to the Conference?'
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 13, 2019 17:57:28 GMT
Whatever the answer to that question one statistical fact remains: after 4 1/2 years, DC left us approximately 24 places HIGHER in the league pyramid than the position he began. That despite losing his three best strikers/creative players to higher placed clubs.
If GC (who I also support) has a similar record we will be playing Championship football in about 3,years!
Walsall should stick with DC --- he will come good.
UTG
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 13, 2019 18:55:37 GMT
The real damage was done with Wards recruitment in January before he went upstairs. DC recommended Matty Taylor and told Ward to sign him but Ward wanted other strikers and wanted to swap Alan Gow for Elliot Richards.
He also signed Steve Gillespie and Chris Beardsley as forward options both of who scored 3 goals between them and were nothing short of terrible. Matt Harrold, for all his endeavour never had anyone to link with. Ryan Brunt was on the treatment table more than in the team. JJ Otoole announces he couldn’t be bothered, Andy Bond (remember him) was played on the wing and Oli Norburn was off his head as well as form.
We were running out of steam with Ward at the helm and we were literally a second string side for the last 8 games.
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 13, 2019 19:10:44 GMT
The real damage was done with Wards recruitment in January before he went upstairs. DC recommended Matty Taylor and told Ward to sign him but Ward wanted other strikers and wanted to swap Alan Gow for Elliot Richards. He also signed Steve Gillespie and Chris Beardsley as forward options both of who scored 3 goals between them and were nothing short of terrible. Matt Harrold, for all his endeavour never had anyone to link with. Ryan Brunt was on the treatment table more than in the team. JJ Otoole announces he couldn’t be bothered, Andy Bond (remember him) was played on the wing and Oli Norburn was off his head as well as form. We were running out of steam with Ward at the helm and we were literally a second string side for the last 8 games. Gillespie, Beardsley and bond still give me nightmares !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 19:20:07 GMT
The real damage was done with Wards recruitment in January before he went upstairs. DC recommended Matty Taylor and told Ward to sign him but Ward wanted other strikers and wanted to swap Alan Gow for Elliot Richards. He also signed Steve Gillespie and Chris Beardsley as forward options both of who scored 3 goals between them and were nothing short of terrible. Matt Harrold, for all his endeavour never had anyone to link with. Ryan Brunt was on the treatment table more than in the team. JJ Otoole announces he couldn’t be bothered, Andy Bond (remember him) was played on the wing and Oli Norburn was off his head as well as form. We were running out of steam with Ward at the helm and we were literally a second string side for the last 8 games. Didn’t John ward recruit DC
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Post by pirate on Nov 13, 2019 19:27:05 GMT
The real damage was done with Wards recruitment in January before he went upstairs. DC recommended Matty Taylor and told Ward to sign him but Ward wanted other strikers and wanted to swap Alan Gow for Elliot Richards. He also signed Steve Gillespie and Chris Beardsley as forward options both of who scored 3 goals between them and were nothing short of terrible. Matt Harrold, for all his endeavour never had anyone to link with. Ryan Brunt was on the treatment table more than in the team. JJ Otoole announces he couldn’t be bothered, Andy Bond (remember him) was played on the wing and Oli Norburn was off his head as well as form. We were running out of steam with Ward at the helm and we were literally a second string side for the last 8 games. Didn’t John ward recruit DC www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/darrell-clarke-reveals-how-teletext-2461025
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 23:04:46 GMT
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 14, 2019 8:54:32 GMT
Reading pirate's post still makes me shudder. What a shocking collection of players. I bet they would even struggle to beat the current Walsall team .....
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Post by poorblue on Nov 20, 2019 20:41:34 GMT
I'm sat watching Darlington v Walsall FA Cup replay score 0 - 0 at half time. Long way to go yet
Darlington are 2 divisions below and it's mostly all Darlington.
As per this thread title it might be wise to reflect on Darlington woes
Darlington moved to the all-seater, 25,000-capacity Darlington Arena in 2003. The cost of the stadium was a major factor in driving the club into administration in 2012. Because the club was unable to agree a Creditors Voluntary Agreement (CVA) it was expelled from the Football Association (FA). This season it's Bury's time for woes
Perhaps evolution is better than revolution?
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Post by Hudson1883 on Nov 20, 2019 20:52:01 GMT
This game makes our match last night look like a thriller.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 20, 2019 21:37:53 GMT
I'm sat watching Darlington v Walsall FA Cup replay score 0 - 0 at half time. Long way to go yet Darlington are 2 divisions below and it's mostly all Darlington. As per this thread title it might be wise to reflect on Darlington woes Darlington moved to the all-seater, 25,000-capacity Darlington Arena in 2003. The cost of the stadium was a major factor in driving the club into administration in 2012. Because the club was unable to agree a Creditors Voluntary Agreement (CVA) it was expelled from the Football Association (FA).This season it's Bury's time for woes Perhaps evolution is better than revolution? Darlington building a 25,000 seater venue was never going to be viable and was the egotistical idea of ex con George Reynolds. There is no comparison between Darlington building that and Rovers building something similar.
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Post by axegas on Jan 27, 2020 17:57:54 GMT
DC up to his old tricks and putting pressure on the board to give him more money.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 27, 2020 18:03:42 GMT
With a bit of luck Walsall are the second of the two clubs apparently interested in Bennett!
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Post by lpgas on Jan 27, 2020 18:04:58 GMT
Axe hasn't put down his Conference season at all. DC knew exactly what was needed to gain promotion, having managed in non-league prior to us. He didn't make the mistake of signing technically gifted players like other managers who found themselves in the Conference, he signed battlers who could play other sides at their style and level. Plus he got some outrageous luck at Wembley versus 'Grimsbury'. I was there and I had my head in my hands when Puddy handled outside his area. I was amazed when the ref bottled it and only gave him a yellow. That was a sending -off all day long, and that would have been the game gone with 80+ minutes and 10 men, because we were outplayed that day. Did I celebrate? Of course I did, and madly. I was a little perturbed at the way DC turned and ran to the Rovers end when Lee's pen went in. He split the players celebration and it seemed like he was making it all about him when that should have been the players moment. You may say I am being unkind, but he's got form regarding his ego, his statements about 'Me fans' etc. I am not saying that I was anything other than grateful fot the 2 promotions and will always respect DC for them. However, he has been Sussed, found out and I'm afraid he is a one trick pony and only capable in the Conference divisions, and barely competent in League 2 if his present performance is anything to go by. he But your forgetting the 10th and 13th place finishes in league 1? They did actually happen. I am really glad that was i just relieved we won at wembley without the burden of analysing the dc run onto the pitch as something dark and suspicious. There was me thinking he was just overjoyed that we made it back into the league,how naive of me. You forgot to add that when he left we were bottom of League one. We had a striker that the fans didn't like, (and he didn't like us) and some other pretty dreadful signings. He was ok on the Conference and Div 2 because he had a sizeable budget, and the teams momentum carried us forward. However some of his previous signings were not good enough for Division One and some of his latter signings weren't either, but they were expensive.
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