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Post by Gas1977 on Oct 21, 2019 19:31:38 GMT
He’s just not consistent enough for me, he has one 10/10 games then five 5/10 games, I think it would help if TC was skipper and he could focus on himself more. I’d like to see a few more long shots and tackles tbh. He always runs which I like tho.
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Post by craggo on Oct 21, 2019 20:59:12 GMT
He has admitted he has not been in his form so far this season. Think he is bob on there. Set high standards in the past though. One of my faves actually.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 21, 2019 21:45:20 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in each of those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can.So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! Sorry this is rubbish. I could probably fit myself in all of that. Does that make me a L1 midfielder?! Also, his passing his atrocious. What you have mentioned is his problem. He is a jack of all trades, master of none.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 21, 2019 21:47:28 GMT
I'd disagree with this point. He too often goes missing in games. When the team is playing well, he plays well. When the team aren't he goes missing. I would also say he is too inconsistent to be a solid/good L1 midfielder. The most damming evidence for him not being at it this season is that we've been better without him in the team. Would you realistically drop Upson, Ogogo or a fit Sercs for him?I'd be tempted to play 3 -5 -1 -1 with JCH being out, then you can have Ollie in the team and let Sercs have an advanced role. Don't think were going to get goals from any of Nichols or Vic tbh. Why do we need Ollie in the team?
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 22, 2019 6:42:21 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in each of those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can.So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! Sorry this is rubbish. I could probably fit myself in all of that. Does that make me a L1 midfielder?! Also, his passing his atrocious. What you have mentioned is his problem. He is a jack of all trades, master of none. I agree about his passing. He can`t roll the ball ten yards to the left ( or right ) without giving it to the opposition, and then having to turn and chase back to his own goal.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2019 7:30:26 GMT
That's stating the obvious after Saturday problem is with Sercs out who plays in the ACM role, stick with 5 and defenders and bring in Little and use Rodman as the ACM? Or againat struggling Bolton do we need 5 defenders or could we go 4-4-2 with a midfield of Rodman, Ogogo, Upson, Bennett, resting one of the CB's and have Little and Leahy at FB's, How close is Tomlinson to a first start and is he an attacking midfield or wide player? If he is a good prospect then better to play an inexperienced round peg in a round hole than an experienced square peg in a round hole? He hasn't even made the bench in recent weeks? I fear he's another youngster who'll disappear just like Russe. Not sure you'd call Rodman inexperienced for the ACM role as he seems capable of playing that role, I'd sooner see him played there than the "experienced" Bennett!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2019 7:32:52 GMT
He’s just not consistent enough for me, he has one 10/10 games then five 5/10 games, I think it would help if TC was skipper and he could focus on himself more. I’d like to see a few more long shots and tackles tbh. He always runs which I like tho. Apart from the toss up what does OC do captain wise?
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Post by simonj on Oct 22, 2019 7:33:38 GMT
Sorry this is rubbish. I could probably fit myself in all of that. Does that make me a L1 midfielder?! Also, his passing his atrocious. What you have mentioned is his problem. He is a jack of all trades, master of none. I agree about his passing. He can`t roll the ball ten yards to the left ( or right ) without giving it to the opposition, and then having to turn and chase back to his own goal. Seriously.
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Post by Gas1977 on Oct 22, 2019 7:36:40 GMT
He’s just not consistent enough for me, he has one 10/10 games then five 5/10 games, I think it would help if TC was skipper and he could focus on himself more. I’d like to see a few more long shots and tackles tbh. He always runs which I like tho. Apart from the toss up what does OC do captain wise? idk tbh!!! I guess pointing players where they should be and motivation skills.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:02:18 GMT
How close is Tomlinson to a first start and is he an attacking midfield or wide player? If he is a good prospect then better to play an inexperienced round peg in a round hole than an experienced square peg in a round hole? He hasn't even made the bench in recent weeks? I fear he's another youngster who'll disappear just like Russe. Not sure you'd call Rodman inexperienced for the ACM role as he seems capable of playing that role, I'd sooner see him played there than the "experienced" Bennett! If playing behind the front two was Tomlinson’s natural position and he was close to being first team ready I’d like to see him given a go. If we are just sticking with our “tried and tested experienced players” then I would also rather have Rodman play out of position than have Bennett in there who seems a bit of a show pony with no end product to me.
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Post by Baxtinho on Oct 22, 2019 8:34:39 GMT
He’s just not consistent enough for me, he has one 10/10 games then five 5/10 games, I think it would help if TC was skipper and he could focus on himself more. I’d like to see a few more long shots and tackles tbh. He always runs which I like tho. Apart from the toss up what does OC do captain wise? Precisely this. I don't get this forum's obsession with who has the armband on. It's weird to suggest Craig/Clarke would noticeably change how they play because one or the other is wearing an armband and poses for a photo at kick off.
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Post by Gas1977 on Oct 22, 2019 8:35:13 GMT
Apart from the toss up what does OC do captain wise? Precisely this. I don't get this forum's obsession with who has the armband on. It's weird to suggest Craig/Clarke would noticeably change how they play because one or the other is wearing an armband and poses for a photo at kick off. i understand your point mate, maybe the armband is overrated.
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Post by Baxtinho on Oct 22, 2019 8:40:20 GMT
Precisely this. I don't get this forum's obsession with who has the armband on. It's weird to suggest Craig/Clarke would noticeably change how they play because one or the other is wearing an armband and poses for a photo at kick off. i understand your point mate, maybe the armband is overrated. I didn't mean it as a dig man, I'm sure he's very proud to to call himself Gas captain - as well he should be. A lot of European countries just give the armband to the player with most appearances. It's not like in cricket where the captain can make some tactical switches. Doesn't mean I'd play him, in any case
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 22, 2019 8:48:27 GMT
I agree about his passing. He can`t roll the ball ten yards to the left ( or right ) without giving it to the opposition, and then having to turn and chase back to his own goal. Seriously. No, he's just saying it for the shits and giggles, of course he's bloody serious!!
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Post by Squiffy on Oct 22, 2019 9:24:57 GMT
Precisely this. I don't get this forum's obsession with who has the armband on. It's weird to suggest Craig/Clarke would noticeably change how they play because one or the other is wearing an armband and poses for a photo at kick off. i understand your point mate, maybe the armband is overrated. Not if you can’t swim and you are out of your depth! 😂 (...sorry, that was a bit mean and was meant to be an armband joke not a dig at Ollie). I actually admire his determination, want him to do well and prefer him to a few of his team mates as he isn’t afraid to put in a few “effective” tackles, plus those 30 yard strikes.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 22, 2019 10:25:31 GMT
He hasn't even made the bench in recent weeks? I fear he's another youngster who'll disappear just like Russe. Not sure you'd call Rodman inexperienced for the ACM role as he seems capable of playing that role, I'd sooner see him played there than the "experienced" Bennett! I would also rather have Rodman play out of position than have Bennett in there who seems a bit of a show pony with no end product to me. Bennett = 3 goals & 2 assists (both in the same game) in 41 L1 matches for us... The very definition of a “show pony with no end product”!
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Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 22, 2019 10:42:09 GMT
Any one who has played a team sport at any level whatsoever will know the importance of the armband and the individual that carries it. We only see the team for 90mins once (sometimes twice) a week out on the hallowed turf. The Influence of a leader in a dressing room, or indeed away from the Mem pitch/training ground cannot be underestimated.
I point you towards Lee Mansell and his handling of a young Ellis Harrison once upon a time. OC may carry the responsibility but I’d bet my very last dollar TC isn’t far behind him for support & looked up to and/or very well respected by his team mates.
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Post by glengas on Oct 22, 2019 13:02:58 GMT
I was very impressed with Hargreaves when he came on in the last home match. Guess he won’t feature much unless we get more injuries.
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Post by simonj on Oct 22, 2019 13:12:23 GMT
No, he's just saying it for the shits and giggles, of course he's bloody serious!! Oh, thanks for clarifying. In which case, suggesting he cant pass 10 yard left or right is full of sh** and giggles.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 22, 2019 15:55:01 GMT
I would also rather have Rodman play out of position than have Bennett in there who seems a bit of a show pony with no end product to me. Bennett = 3 goals & 2 assists (both in the same game) in 41 L1 matches for us... The very definition of a “show pony with no end product”! Definitely. People slate Nichols but he offers so much more than Bennett but with similar end product.
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