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Post by burnthewitch on Oct 22, 2019 18:07:42 GMT
Sorry this is rubbish. I could probably fit myself in all of that. Does that make me a L1 midfielder?! Also, his passing his atrocious. What you have mentioned is his problem. He is a jack of all trades, master of none. I agree about his passing. He can`t roll the ball ten yards to the left ( or right ) without giving it to the opposition, and then having to turn and chase back to his own goal. And don't forget folks, it's usually in the first 10 minutes of most games when he gives the ball away needlessly and follows it up by giving away a foul and earning a yellow card. Which then negates his key attribute for the next 80 minutes - which is namely kicking people.
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Post by axegas on Oct 22, 2019 18:17:39 GMT
Sorry this is rubbish. I could probably fit myself in all of that. Does that make me a L1 midfielder?! Also, his passing his atrocious. What you have mentioned is his problem. He is a jack of all trades, master of none. I agree about his passing. He can`t roll the ball ten yards to the left ( or right ) without giving it to the opposition, and then having to turn and chase back to his own goal. That really depends on a game to game basis. When we played Tranmere at home in September, he was incapable of making a single correct pass and kept trying to over complicate things. However we’ve played over games this season and last where he’s looked like a competent L1 box to box midfielder who can translate defence into attack and perform some dangerous runs into the oppositions half. That’s my issue with him, he’s so inconsistent that you don’t know whether to be pleased or disappointed that he’s been named on the team sheet. When he doesn’t turn up he becomes a liability to the side and that’s so frustrating to see as everyone knows there’s a good player in him, I just wish the captaincy could be handed over to Craig so Ollie can dispense his energy into putting in performances of a high standard on a regular basis again.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2019 18:30:28 GMT
I agree about his passing. He can`t roll the ball ten yards to the left ( or right ) without giving it to the opposition, and then having to turn and chase back to his own goal. That really depends on a game to game basis. When we played Tranmere at home in September, he was incapable of making a single correct pass and kept trying to over complicate things. However we’ve played over games this season and last where he’s looked like a competent L1 box to box midfielder who can translate defence into attack and perform some dangerous runs into the oppositions half. That’s my issue with him, he’s so inconsistent that you don’t know whether to be pleased or disappointed that he’s been named on the team sheet. When he doesn’t turn up he becomes a liability to the side and that’s so frustrating to see as everyone knows there’s a good player in him, I just wish the captaincy could be handed over to Craig so Ollie can dispense his energy into putting in performances of a high standard on a regular basis again. After a decade(?) in the first team you have to question why he's so damn inconsistent, Locks had spells of poor games but wasn't game to game.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 22, 2019 21:52:41 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in each of those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can. So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! Another sh**e Ollie Clarke performance..
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Oct 22, 2019 21:56:50 GMT
He negatively impacts Agogo and Upson’s game. I don’t know what is up with him but ever since getting the captains armband he’s not been the same player. I’d honestly pick Hargreaves or Tomlinson ahead of him at the moment. He was that bad.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 22, 2019 22:01:53 GMT
He negatively impacts Agogo and Upson’s game. I don’t know what is up with him but ever since getting the captains armband he’s not been the same player. I’d honestly pick Hargreaves or Tomlinson ahead of him at the moment. He was that bad. I'd definitely try one of those 2 over O Clarke. He has been appalling all season. In fact he has only ever fully convinced me during the first season we came back into L1 (16/17 I think). Other than that he has been so inconsistent. His passing has never been great. He is a bit of a battler (but not a patch on Ogogo) and shoots often from outside the box and scores the odd one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 22:59:18 GMT
I said it long ago on here and nothing I have seen from him this season will change my mind. As a club we will never get anywhere higher in the football pyramid with the likes of Ollie Clarke in our midfield. His performance tonight totally summed up what he offers the team, nothing! He looked totally lost, failed to tackle, when he passed the ball it was mainly to the opposition and his ball control was a total embarrassment. Time for GC to show some balls and give young Tomlinson and Hargreaves a chance.
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2019 0:46:49 GMT
I said it long ago on here and nothing I have seen from him this season will change my mind. As a club we will never get anywhere higher in the football pyramid with the likes of Ollie Clarke in our midfield. His performance tonight totally summed up what he offers the team, nothing! He looked totally lost, failed to tackle, when he passed the ball it was mainly to the opposition and his ball control was a total embarrassment. Time for GC to show some balls and give young Tomlinson and Hargreaves a chance. Last night was the worst I’ve ever seen him play he’s not always that bad , alongside lines he was decent in a 442 and won player of the season , followed by a poor season followed by player of the season last year. So he’s been pretty much ever present in three consecutive seasons in league 1 and win player of the season in two of them I could be wrong ? I’m not saying he shouldn’t be dropped for a couple of games for Tomlinson or another , could be a good one as Olly clearly isn’t in a good frame of mind and isn’t playing well. He’s not a bad footballer for this level just a player coming back from injury , in poor form and perhaps his game doesn’t suit this formation and style or something else is the matter. It’s easy for a fan to say he’s sh** and not good enough because he’s played poorly lately, but like I say he’s been a constant in a side that’s been average league 1 for 3 and a half seasons now. As fans we should stick by all of our players and will them on, the atmosphere tonight was toxic with people moaning like f**k from about the 3rd Minute. I tried to get a come on Rovers chant going and people looked at me like I was mad, a couple of years ago hundreds would have joined in. The the way I see it is we started well first couple of minutes and as soon as the first few passes went astray the majority of the crowd turned on the players. Ideal scenario for Bolton. I get it fans don’t like Coughlan they don’t like his football , but this is our club and we’ll still be around long after he’s gone whether he continues to have reasonable success or not. As for we’ll never get higher in the pyramid with the likes of olly in the squad the same could be said for every player in our squad except maybe JCH and I would be surprised if he didn’t make it in the championship.
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Post by ricardo on Oct 23, 2019 5:31:21 GMT
For me we have played better without him than with him this season, not sure that can really be disputed? Either needs to be dropped or lose the captaincy imo. Nothing personal like the lad but it’s just not working as far as I can see.
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Post by chilly1883 on Oct 23, 2019 6:24:45 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in each of those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can. So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! unfortunately my friend he didn’t do one of those things last night 😂 Not well anyway!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 6:43:47 GMT
He negatively impacts Agogo and Upson’s game. I don’t know what is up with him but ever since getting the captains armband he’s not been the same player. I’d honestly pick Hargreaves or Tomlinson ahead of him at the moment. He was that bad. Spot on, if you want to destroy Upson and Ogogo’s games play Ollie Clarke, forget about the opposition doing it. I took a friend last night for the first time and she she said “how is he your captain?”
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Post by hollyhillgas on Oct 23, 2019 8:20:16 GMT
He negatively impacts Agogo and Upson’s game. I don’t know what is up with him but ever since getting the captains armband he’s not been the same player. I’d honestly pick Hargreaves or Tomlinson ahead of him at the moment. He was that bad. As Captain he negatively impacts on most players. He blamed Rodman (who I thought was one of the better players last night) when he wasn't in the right place for his five yard pass, quite an exchange between them after. Getting angry and blaming others for your mistakes is not captaincy.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 23, 2019 9:28:30 GMT
Oooo how wise u all are . I’m sure he isnt intentionally playing badly . 😖The blame lies with the manager for continually picking him and the same goes for Tom Nicholls . 🤫utg
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 23, 2019 10:12:40 GMT
O Clarke imo should not be captain TC is the obvious leader and should wear the captains arm band. Clarke was not missed at all when he was out and should be brought via the bench. Technically he is awful regularly needs 2 or 3 touches to even get the ball under control. Personally l do not understand why with three centre backs GC needs two defensive midfielders, it looked much better with aggogo playing a creative centr mid players. For me drop Clarke and play aggogo alongside two creative players.
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Post by Congas on Oct 23, 2019 10:24:28 GMT
Oooo how wise u all are . I’m sure he isnt intentionally playing badly . 😖The blame lies with the manager for continually picking him and the same goes for Tom Nicholls . 🤫utg Yeah, you're right. Maybe we should stop talking about them then he might drop them because he's got nothing to prove. Our midfield and defence has functioned well, with and without JCH. Why change a winning formation? We're all forgetting the contribution made by Hare before he got injured. His pinpoint passes are badly missed.
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