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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 8, 2019 12:29:40 GMT
Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....š¤Ŗ All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? š§ Hydrogen powered cars An American group had patented an engine that used water, basically broke it down into hydrogen and oxygen. They were, very quickly,offered billions and sold their invention... to a UAE group. The tech is there but the oligarchs will never let it happen
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 8, 2019 12:32:12 GMT
Well the comments about 'Rees is a prick' 'He's too busy sucking up to tree huggers' - plus when others talk about the red vs blue politics and how each other is to blame for it. Perhaps I should change 'many' to 'some' - but considering its on the Rovers chat, it took a completely different route to what the OP was talking about. There is already so much going on about politics atm, I actually quite enjoy coming to the Rovers forum to get away from it, but now it ends up being the top thread in the Rovers chat section ffs Yeah, I know what you mean, but This diesel ban may well affect fans who travel across Bristol to the Mem. I just don't see how they can impose this sh1t without putting in place some alternative that works. Marvin Rees has talks about an underground system for Bristol. Fine, get on and do it and integrate it with the present overground rail system and the busses, then you can ban diesel cars from the city, but you have to offer an alternative. I can see people saying f### you and ignoring the ban en mass. What would the authorities do then? I think this has been rushed through to try and out-green the Green Party who, because of all the tree-hugging environmentalists who have emigrated here from London are getting a bit too much traction for their liking. And if The Greens ever got in, well then we'd have something to worry about. I can't see night matches at the Mem or the sewer being much fun under candle powered floodlights. Simplistically it needs a āCarrotā and āStickā approach. This proposed measure is all stick and no carrot. Does nothing to take a single car off the road and will just push them, and whatever they emit, to other areas. That will no doubt see a rise in poor air quality in those areas and we all go around the same point in a few years time. As has been said, investment in and integration of, public transport needs to be added to this alleged plan. I wonāt hold my breath.....š”
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Post by Gassy on Nov 8, 2019 12:42:31 GMT
Well the comments about 'Rees is a prick' 'He's too busy sucking up to tree huggers' - plus when others talk about the red vs blue politics and how each other is to blame for it. Perhaps I should change 'many' to 'some' - but considering its on the Rovers chat, it took a completely different route to what the OP was talking about. There is already so much going on about politics atm, I actually quite enjoy coming to the Rovers forum to get away from it, but now it ends up being the top thread in the Rovers chat section ffs Yeah, I know what you mean, but This diesel ban may well affect fans who travel across Bristol to the Mem. I just don't see how they can impose this sh1t without putting in place some alternative that works. Marvin Rees has talks about an underground system for Bristol. Fine, get on and do it and integrate it with the present overground rail system and the busses, then you can ban diesel cars from the city, but you have to offer an alternative. I can see people saying f### you and ignoring the ban en mass. What would the authorities do then? I think this has been rushed through to try and out-green the Green Party who, because of all the tree-hugging environmentalists who have emigrated here from London are getting a bit too much traction for their liking. And if The Greens ever got in, well then we'd have something to worry about. I can't see night matches at the Mem or the sewer being much fun under candle powered floodlights. And I agree with a chat about how the diesel ban can affect fans who travel, but when people start saying Corbyn this & Boris that, remain vs leave etc is it really relevant? I agree that Bristol transport needs to improve - quite frankly it's a f*cking disgrace. That fact that it's barely possible to get from Frenchay to the city centre is beyond shocking (that was when I lived there a few years ago, after the hospital closed they just stopped putting buses through there). Personally, I'd like to see something smarter than just diesel bans or congestion charges. I'd prefer something along the lines of gamification, the more you use public transport the more rewards you get such as cinema tickets, discounts in shops, discount on your next trip - or make it like a nectar card where the more it's used, the more points your get which allows you to spend money within Bristol or something.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 8, 2019 13:26:44 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean, but This diesel ban may well affect fans who travel across Bristol to the Mem. I just don't see how they can impose this sh1t without putting in place some alternative that works. Marvin Rees has talks about an underground system for Bristol. Fine, get on and do it and integrate it with the present overground rail system and the busses, then you can ban diesel cars from the city, but you have to offer an alternative. I can see people saying f### you and ignoring the ban en mass. What would the authorities do then? I think this has been rushed through to try and out-green the Green Party who, because of all the tree-hugging environmentalists who have emigrated here from London are getting a bit too much traction for their liking. And if The Greens ever got in, well then we'd have something to worry about. I can't see night matches at the Mem or the sewer being much fun under candle powered floodlights. And I agree with a chat about how the diesel ban can affect fans who travel, but when people start saying Corbyn this & Boris that, remain vs leave etc is it really relevant? I agree that Bristol transport needs to improve - quite frankly it's a f*cking disgrace. That fact that it's barely possible to get from Frenchay to the city centre is beyond shocking (that was when I lived there a few years ago, after the hospital closed they just stopped putting buses through there). Personally, I'd like to see something smarter than just diesel bans or congestion charges. I'd prefer something along the lines of gamification, the more you use public transport the more rewards you get such as cinema tickets, discounts in shops, discount on your next trip - or make it like a nectar card where the more it's used, the more points your get which allows you to spend money within Bristol or something. Just bring in a congestion charge based on CO2/NO2 emissions banning diesel cars etc seems a sledge hammer to crack a nut approach, I can't understand why the Government ever introduced the blanket Ā£145 road tax for new cars so there was now no real incentive to buy a small petrol car.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 13:49:36 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean, but This diesel ban may well affect fans who travel across Bristol to the Mem. I just don't see how they can impose this sh1t without putting in place some alternative that works. Marvin Rees has talks about an underground system for Bristol. Fine, get on and do it and integrate it with the present overground rail system and the busses, then you can ban diesel cars from the city, but you have to offer an alternative. I can see people saying f### you and ignoring the ban en mass. What would the authorities do then? I think this has been rushed through to try and out-green the Green Party who, because of all the tree-hugging environmentalists who have emigrated here from London are getting a bit too much traction for their liking. And if The Greens ever got in, well then we'd have something to worry about. I can't see night matches at the Mem or the sewer being much fun under candle powered floodlights. And I agree with a chat about how the diesel ban can affect fans who travel, but when people start saying Corbyn this & Boris that, remain vs leave etc is it really relevant? I agree that Bristol transport needs to improve - quite frankly it's a f*cking disgrace. That fact that it's barely possible to get from Frenchay to the city centre is beyond shocking (that was when I lived there a few years ago, after the hospital closed they just stopped putting buses through there). Personally, I'd like to see something smarter than just diesel bans or congestion charges. I'd prefer something along the lines of gamification, the more you use public transport the more rewards you get such as cinema tickets, discounts in shops, discount on your next trip - or make it like a nectar card where the more it's used, the more points your get which allows you to spend money within Bristol or something. There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 8, 2019 13:55:40 GMT
And I agree with a chat about how the diesel ban can affect fans who travel, but when people start saying Corbyn this & Boris that, remain vs leave etc is it really relevant? I agree that Bristol transport needs to improve - quite frankly it's a f*cking disgrace. That fact that it's barely possible to get from Frenchay to the city centre is beyond shocking (that was when I lived there a few years ago, after the hospital closed they just stopped putting buses through there). Personally, I'd like to see something smarter than just diesel bans or congestion charges. I'd prefer something along the lines of gamification, the more you use public transport the more rewards you get such as cinema tickets, discounts in shops, discount on your next trip - or make it like a nectar card where the more it's used, the more points your get which allows you to spend money within Bristol or something. There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region. Do you get any other discounts for being Angela Merkel's stud muffin ?
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2019 13:56:29 GMT
And I agree with a chat about how the diesel ban can affect fans who travel, but when people start saying Corbyn this & Boris that, remain vs leave etc is it really relevant?Ā I agree that Bristol transport needs to improve - quite frankly it's a f*cking disgrace. That fact that it's barely possible to get from Frenchay to the city centre is beyond shocking (that was when I lived there a few years ago, after the hospital closed they just stopped putting buses through there).Ā Personally, I'd like to see something smarter than just diesel bans or congestion charges. I'd prefer something along the lines of gamification, the more you use public transport the more rewards you get such as cinema tickets, discounts in shops, discount on your next trip - or make it like a nectar card where the more it's used, the more points your get which allows you to spend money within Bristol or something.Ā There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region. Do you declare you Companies "gift" on your tax return?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 14:00:45 GMT
There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region. Do you declare you Companies "gift" on your tax return? Yep, it's all done through the pay packet, so all legit
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 14:01:39 GMT
There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region. Do you get any other discounts for being Angela Merkel's stud muffin ? Please, I do have standards. I admit they may be low, but I do have some !
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2019 14:04:42 GMT
Do you declare you Companies "gift" on your tax return? Yep, it's all done through the pay packet, so all legitĀ You'll never be a true Tory.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 8, 2019 14:10:54 GMT
And I agree with a chat about how the diesel ban can affect fans who travel, but when people start saying Corbyn this & Boris that, remain vs leave etc is it really relevant? I agree that Bristol transport needs to improve - quite frankly it's a f*cking disgrace. That fact that it's barely possible to get from Frenchay to the city centre is beyond shocking (that was when I lived there a few years ago, after the hospital closed they just stopped putting buses through there). Personally, I'd like to see something smarter than just diesel bans or congestion charges. I'd prefer something along the lines of gamification, the more you use public transport the more rewards you get such as cinema tickets, discounts in shops, discount on your next trip - or make it like a nectar card where the more it's used, the more points your get which allows you to spend money within Bristol or something. There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region. Nothing is "free" though, somebody must be paying for it in increased taxes somewhere.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 8, 2019 14:15:57 GMT
And I agree with a chat about how the diesel ban can affect fans who travel, but when people start saying Corbyn this & Boris that, remain vs leave etc is it really relevant? I agree that Bristol transport needs to improve - quite frankly it's a f*cking disgrace. That fact that it's barely possible to get from Frenchay to the city centre is beyond shocking (that was when I lived there a few years ago, after the hospital closed they just stopped putting buses through there). Personally, I'd like to see something smarter than just diesel bans or congestion charges. I'd prefer something along the lines of gamification, the more you use public transport the more rewards you get such as cinema tickets, discounts in shops, discount on your next trip - or make it like a nectar card where the more it's used, the more points your get which allows you to spend money within Bristol or something. There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region. Thats pretty decent, what are you based?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 14:18:54 GMT
There are things like that here. As an example, if you use public transport to visit the Zoo, then by showing the ticket you get a discount on the entry cost. Book a package holiday flying from the airport and the flight ticket will give you free public transport to get to the airport (and back!). There are loads of places that offer a discount if you use public transport to get there. Also, companies offer their employees 'job tickets' which are tickets that enable you to use any form of public transport which is subsidized by the company. For example, I pay 50 quid a year, my company pay the rest, and it means I can use public transport anytime, anywhere in the region. Thats pretty decent, what are you based? Frankfurt region. Oh, if you have a ticket to watch Eintracht play, that gives you free public transport to the ground and back !
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 8, 2019 14:24:15 GMT
Thats pretty decent, what are you based? Frankfurt region. Oh, if you have a ticket to watch Eintracht play, that gives you free public transport to the ground and back ! The problem with that in Bristol is the words āpublic transportā......which may be sorted when we get our integrated underground system....
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Post by Gassy on Nov 8, 2019 14:40:17 GMT
Thats pretty decent, what are you based? Frankfurt region. Oh, if you have a ticket to watch Eintracht play, that gives you free public transport to the ground and back ! Ah Germany, considering the country had to completely rebuild they still managed to do a better job than most. In fact, pretty much all of European transport is better than the UK's. Most are nationalised as well. Yet we will have a bus company do trips to the Mem for profit.
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Post by station on Nov 8, 2019 15:54:42 GMT
Bring back the C5 or the humble Bubble car and extra strong elastic bands
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 8, 2019 16:03:12 GMT
Bring back the C5 or the humble Bubble car and extra strong elastic bands And Extra Strong mints to keep you warm....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 16:35:01 GMT
Rather boring thread for us non drivers living in Bath! Lol!
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Post by aghast on Nov 8, 2019 17:40:17 GMT
The government advice on diesel was annoying, for sure. We used to lag behind Europe in the use of diesel cars until they told everyone get one. Not sure why you find my advice patronising though. Buying a new car is easy. Get a smaller one or one a year older, make a small profit, and feel free to drive into town. Some of us are not in a position to do that and for numerous reasons. I wonāt go into my own reason as I feel both belittled & embarrassed by it and writing about it only stresses me even more.Ā I could be persuaded if this was a government directive & they gave a helping hand, as they did with the scrapage scheme.Ā I just hope that sense prevails and they make concessions for blue badge holders. I have to go to hospital at least once a week and sometimes more, this is a potential nightmare for me and Iād imagine a fair few others, who I see in the various clinics.Ā This could all be academic as it has to be rubber stamped by the government yet. We shall see & I will try to put it to the back of my mind, for now.Ā I am all for getting traffic volume down but our council seem to have made such a mess of the infrastructure that carries all of the traffic.Ā I think a better way would be to limit the sheer amount of cars than any family can have yet be under the same roof. When I went back, to look after my parents one of the first things we did was sell dads car as it was silly paying 2 lots of everything when it was simple enough to share. This will never happen though as it goes against all the basics of our capitalist system.Ā Having less cars would be the way to go about this but itās far too sensible in nature to get any backing. Of course, this is just my own opinion.Ā Well that's certainly true about the number of cars. I remember when I was a kid in the sixties, there was perhaps one car for every two households. Now it seems quite normal to have three per house. Nobody seems to walk anywhere nowadays. I'm not talking about those who can't get around for numerous reasons. I mean mobile people who get in the car to go and buy a pint of milk, or to drive to the gym to get on a treadmill. Why don't they walk there? I use my car as little as possible. Perhaps once or twice a week. Then the rest of the time it's walking, bus or train. I'm lucky in that I don't have to commute to work some miles away I suppose. But hopping in the car for short journeys is like a drug. People just have to do it. Again, I'm talking about fit, mobile individuals here, not people with mobility problems or disabilities.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 18:33:14 GMT
Its been a valuable debate which gives useful information for when we move to our imaginary stadium on the fruit market site.
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