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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 23:31:21 GMT
Not sure it's the AQ's fault for the debacle on the pitch apart from the appointment butwere there any real objections? It sounds to me the players are not getting it, but haven't heard anything from the backroom staff since. I remember when Grayson took over without his own team and we know what happened next. Yes i clearly stated it would be a disaster as soon as it was announced that garner was appointed and some others were also unhappy. My issue with wael is that garner suits his little fantasy of top class academy,highly advanced coaching theory etc etc. Its just an illusion played out by fantasy football people. Still as soon as garner has "his own team" everything will be rosey. I bloody well objected! I would love someone to explain clearly why we couldn’t have gone down the caretaker route especially seeing as Maher had us so well drilled. Ah well, it is what it is. Garner is here til May at least. Count on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 0:53:24 GMT
It's easy to know who to blame for all this mess! Dam SAINSBURY'S!
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Post by swissgas on Jan 12, 2020 1:07:10 GMT
What is really happening here is that the club is starting to disintegrate.
The warning signs have been flashing for a long time but were ignored and now the situation is out of control.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 1:12:34 GMT
What is really happening here is that the club is starting to disintegrate. The warning signs have been flashing for a long time but were ignored and now the situation is out of control. Thats simply not true. The team were going great guns and were 4th in the league. We change manager and it all goes to pot. Nothing to do with the club which has not changed,only the manager of the team has changed.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 12, 2020 1:34:07 GMT
What is really happening here is that the club is starting to disintegrate. The warning signs have been flashing for a long time but were ignored and now the situation is out of control. Thats simply not true. The team were going great guns and were 4th in the league. We change manager and it all goes to pot. Nothing to do with the club which has not changed,only the manager of the team has changed. We didn’t choose to change the manager the manager decided to leave. Do you still believe it was for family reasons ?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 12, 2020 2:00:28 GMT
Thats simply not true. The team were going great guns and were 4th in the league. We change manager and it all goes to pot. Nothing to do with the club which has not changed,only the manager of the team has changed. We didn’t choose to change the manager the manager decided to leave. Do you still believe it was for family reasons ? No it's because he was told he had to sell all the player's lol. Even though so far we have signed 2, brought one back into the squad and sold no one. I do believe the main reason was location, although other things would have come into it as well.
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2020 6:36:24 GMT
Never get the argument the board don't want to go up. If they didn't want to spend more they wouldn't have to. We would have a lot more money coming in. Plus of they are looking to sell, they would probably get more interest. Makes no sense at all. If they really wanted to go up why not appoint an experienced manager like Holloway etc, appointing a totally inexperienced manager was always going to be a gamble. Don't forget DC managed to get us relegated in his first season due to his inexperience. Garner is looking like Dodson MK2 although he managed to win his third game in charge! Did any apply?
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2020 6:38:12 GMT
What is really happening here is that the club is starting to disintegrate. The warning signs have been flashing for a long time but were ignored and now the situation is out of control. Dramatic much?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2020 6:49:21 GMT
What is really happening here is that the club is starting to disintegrate. The warning signs have been flashing for a long time but were ignored and now the situation is out of control. The warning signs, if there were any, were drip fed in cryptic bites by anonymous people who were shown to have little credibility over and over again. I'd wait for Saint Ken to tell us everything is f**ked before I start to worry but even if he does, I'd then ask him why hes been silent the last few years. A lot of ITKs have tried that whole "you all have your head in the sand" routine before and it doesnt hold up. Normal, regular supporters are not to blame for not believing doom mongers on an internet forum who literally never provide evidence, sources or answer questions.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 12, 2020 16:14:05 GMT
What is really happening here is that the club is starting to disintegrate. The warning signs have been flashing for a long time but were ignored and now the situation is out of control. The warning signs, if there were any, were drip fed in cryptic bites by anonymous people who were shown to have little credibility over and over again. I'd wait for Saint Ken to tell us everything is f**ked before I start to worry but even if he does, I'd then ask him why hes been silent the last few years. A lot of ITKs have tried that whole "you all have your head in the sand" routine before and it doesnt hold up. Normal, regular supporters are not to blame for not believing doom mongers on an internet forum who literally never provide evidence, sources or answer questions. Over the last few months the following people have left the club and not been replaced : Keith Graham. Head of Medical Steve Hamer. Chairman Joe Dunne. Assistant Manager Mike Turner. Director If these people were making an important contribution to the club why have they not been replaced ? If they weren’t, what were they doing there ? When people talk about “The Board” do they realize that “The Board” consists of Wael and Martyn Starnes ? Sorry Hugo, the club is starting to disintegrate.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2020 16:19:35 GMT
The warning signs, if there were any, were drip fed in cryptic bites by anonymous people who were shown to have little credibility over and over again. I'd wait for Saint Ken to tell us everything is f**ked before I start to worry but even if he does, I'd then ask him why hes been silent the last few years. A lot of ITKs have tried that whole "you all have your head in the sand" routine before and it doesnt hold up. Normal, regular supporters are not to blame for not believing doom mongers on an internet forum who literally never provide evidence, sources or answer questions. Over the last few months the following people have left the club and not been replaced : Keith Graham. Head of Medical Steve Hamer. Chairman Joe Dunne. Assistant Manager Mike Turner. Director If these people were making an important contribution to the club why have they not been replaced ? If they weren’t, what were they doing there ? When people talk about “The Board” do they realize that “The Board” consists of Wael and Martyn Starnes ? Sorry Hugo, the club is starting to disintegrate. I'm not saying it isnt but it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf.
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Post by althepirate on Jan 12, 2020 16:25:50 GMT
Thats simply not true. The team were going great guns and were 4th in the league. We change manager and it all goes to pot. Nothing to do with the club which has not changed,only the manager of the team has changed. We didn’t choose to change the manager the manager decided to leave. Do you still believe it was for family reasons ? Ah great you're gonna put up the proof it wasn't for family reasons, recorded phone calls, security camera, dash cam, written signed statement yes? I can't wait to see the proof at last. However if you have no proof you can f**k off
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 12, 2020 16:28:16 GMT
The warning signs, if there were any, were drip fed in cryptic bites by anonymous people who were shown to have little credibility over and over again. I'd wait for Saint Ken to tell us everything is f**ked before I start to worry but even if he does, I'd then ask him why hes been silent the last few years. A lot of ITKs have tried that whole "you all have your head in the sand" routine before and it doesnt hold up. Normal, regular supporters are not to blame for not believing doom mongers on an internet forum who literally never provide evidence, sources or answer questions. Over the last few months the following people have left the club and not been replaced : Keith Graham. Head of Medical Steve Hamer. Chairman Joe Dunne. Assistant Manager Mike Turner. Director If these people were making an important contribution to the club why have they not been replaced ? If they weren’t, what were they doing there ? When people talk about “The Board” do they realize that “The Board” consists of Wael and Martyn Starnes ? Sorry Hugo, the club is starting to disintegrate. But the equation isn't as simple as this, is it?
The in the latter days of Darrel Clarke, too much was spent on the the back room and we are seeing a rationalisation of this (which is sensible in my view, given the clubs financial position).
Starnes was brought in to provide a level of proper day-to-day governance of the club. Something that despite Hamer's Corinthan bonhomie, he couldn't provide. This put Hamer's nose out of joint and he has been acting as an enemy within until his, reasonable, dismissal.
There may be more to come, but I think it is an exaggeration to describe this as disintegration.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2020 16:28:29 GMT
The warning signs, if there were any, were drip fed in cryptic bites by anonymous people who were shown to have little credibility over and over again. I'd wait for Saint Ken to tell us everything is f**ked before I start to worry but even if he does, I'd then ask him why hes been silent the last few years. A lot of ITKs have tried that whole "you all have your head in the sand" routine before and it doesnt hold up. Normal, regular supporters are not to blame for not believing doom mongers on an internet forum who literally never provide evidence, sources or answer questions. Over the last few months the following people have left the club and not been replaced : Keith Graham. Head of Medical Steve Hamer. Chairman Joe Dunne. Assistant Manager Mike Turner. Director If these people were making an important contribution to the club why have they not been replaced ? If they weren’t, what were they doing there ? When people talk about “The Board” do they realize that “The Board” consists of Wael and Martyn Starnes ? Sorry Hugo, the club is starting to disintegrate. You forgotten Ken Masters! Not really sure what Mike Turner did, not a lot by the sounds of things? Hamer's surely been replaced by Starnes as CEO rather than Chairman. No idea what the Head of Medical actually did to be worried about him leaving, but if he was full time then I assume we're saving £100K p.a. by not replacing him? Unless JCH is sold and no proceeds are spent on a replacement it's a bit dramatic to say we're in melt down as GC as decided his future lies elsewhere. Not sure what to make of today's latest developments, you'll just have to see how they pan out but I doubt things can get any worse on the pitch.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2020 16:31:10 GMT
We didn’t choose to change the manager the manager decided to leave. Do you still believe it was for family reasons ? Ah great you're gonna put up the proof it wasn't for family reasons, recorded phone calls, security camera, dash cam, written signed statement yes? I can't wait to see the proof at last. However if you have no proof you can f**k off GC did apparently suggest he was annoyed that he'd been told to offload 3 or 4 players in January before he quit, now Bennett, Nichols and Moore have all been told to go and Adebyejo seems to be on his way, plus I doubt GC would want Reilly back if he'd stayed in charge.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 12, 2020 16:36:22 GMT
Over the last few months the following people have left the club and not been replaced : Keith Graham. Head of Medical Steve Hamer. Chairman Joe Dunne. Assistant Manager Mike Turner. Director If these people were making an important contribution to the club why have they not been replaced ? If they weren’t, what were they doing there ? When people talk about “The Board” do they realize that “The Board” consists of Wael and Martyn Starnes ? Sorry Hugo, the club is starting to disintegrate. I'm not saying it isnt but it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf. In July 2017 I posted my concerns on both forums under the title “suspicious minds”. What was happening didn’t seem right to me but most fans wanted to get on with supporting Rovers and not worry about what might be going on. If the signals which were being given out then had been happening at a workplace, school or other organization which people rely on I’m sure they would have considered things objectively but because this is “our” football club we prefer to look the other way. Whether you take the financial accounts or the way we see the club is being managed the story is the same, it is in disarray. Whatever happens next we should remember that owners will come and go but our loyalty must always be to Bristol Rovers.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2020 16:44:28 GMT
I'm not saying it isnt but it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf. In July 2017 I posted my concerns on both forums under the title “suspicious minds”. What was happening didn’t seem right to me but most fans wanted to get on with supporting Rovers and not worry about what might be going on. If the signals which were being given out then had been happening at a workplace, school or other organization which people rely on I’m sure they would have considered things objectively but because this is “our” football club we prefer to look the other way. Whether you take the financial accounts or the way we see the club is being managed the story is the same, it is in disarray. Whatever happens next we should remember that owners will come and go but our loyalty must always be to Bristol Rovers. I dont disagree with you Swiss, I have a lot of respect for you and the way you post but I have maintained for years on here that the people stirring trouble were doing more harm than good regardless whether they were right or not.
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Post by althepirate on Jan 12, 2020 16:57:46 GMT
Ah great you're gonna put up the proof it wasn't for family reasons, recorded phone calls, security camera, dash cam, written signed statement yes? I can't wait to see the proof at last. However if you have no proof you can f**k off GC did apparently suggest he was annoyed that he'd been told to offload 3 or 4 players in January before he quit, now Bennett, Nichols and Moore have all been told to go and Adebyejo seems to be on his way, plus I doubt GC would want Reilly back if he'd stayed in charge. Won't be sorry to see those leave tbh, but the itk's said JCH, Kilgour and another one, none to be replaced. So far it's two in and none out.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 12, 2020 17:30:01 GMT
Over the last few months the following people have left the club and not been replaced : Keith Graham. Head of Medical Steve Hamer. Chairman Joe Dunne. Assistant Manager Mike Turner. Director If these people were making an important contribution to the club why have they not been replaced ? If they weren’t, what were they doing there ? When people talk about “The Board” do they realize that “The Board” consists of Wael and Martyn Starnes ? Sorry Hugo, the club is starting to disintegrate. But the equation isn't as simple as this, is it?
The in the latter days of Darrel Clarke, too much was spent on the the back room and we are seeing a rationalisation of this (which is sensible in my view, given the clubs financial position).
Starnes was brought in to provide a level of proper day-to-day governance of the club. Something that despite Hamer's Corinthan bonhomie, he couldn't provide. This put Hamer's nose out of joint and he has been acting as an enemy within until his, reasonable, dismissal.
There may be more to come, but I think it is an exaggeration to describe this as disintegration.
When Keith Graham was brought in most fans heralded the appointment as a sign that Rovers were finally becoming attuned to 21st century football and recognized the importance of sports science to the success of the team. When he left no one said anything. I just can’t understand how we think we can have it both ways ? Either that job was really vital to Rovers moving forward or it wasn’t. If it was, but the position has now been eliminated, then we are clearly not trying to go forward and will more likely go backwards. Martyn Starnes appointment was a disappointment to me as I posted at the time. I thought we needed someone younger and more dynamic to lead the club into a new era with a new stadium. Many fans said Martyn was an ideal choice, they thought we had headhunted him from Plymouth and pointed out that Plymouth were making huge improvements to their ground so Martyn was probably bringing that experience with him too. A little research at the time showed that Plymouth had just appointed two fairly high powered directors who may not have been compatible with Martyns way of working and YouTube videos of Martyn alongside the Plymouth owner didn’t portray him as the kind of strong outgoing leader one would expect. So it didn’t come as a surprise when Martyns first statement told us he was going to concentrate on “community matter” and later he said himself he decided to leave Plymouth for personal reasons and had rung Wael on the off chance asking for a job. This coincided with Finance Director Steve Brookfield disappearing without a whisper so obviously, as an accountant, Martyn was slotting into that role with no real pretensions of being a real CEO. Sorry to be so forthright but there is clearly no plan at work here, it is a policy of clutching at straws and hoping something will turn up.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2020 17:35:48 GMT
But the equation isn't as simple as this, is it?
The in the latter days of Darrel Clarke, too much was spent on the the back room and we are seeing a rationalisation of this (which is sensible in my view, given the clubs financial position).
Starnes was brought in to provide a level of proper day-to-day governance of the club. Something that despite Hamer's Corinthan bonhomie, he couldn't provide. This put Hamer's nose out of joint and he has been acting as an enemy within until his, reasonable, dismissal.
There may be more to come, but I think it is an exaggeration to describe this as disintegration.
When Keith Graham was brought in most fans heralded the appointment as a sign that Rovers were finally becoming attuned to 21st century football and recognized the importance of sports science to the success of the team. When he left no one said anything. I just can’t understand how we think we can have it both ways ? Either that job was really vital to Rovers moving forward or it wasn’t. If it was, but the position has now been eliminated, then we are clearly not trying to go forward and will more likely go backwards. Martyn Starnes appointment was a disappointment to me as I posted at the time. I thought we needed someone younger and more dynamic to lead the club into a new era with a new stadium. Many fans said Martyn was an ideal choice, they thought we had headhunted him from Plymouth and pointed out that Plymouth were making huge improvements to their ground so Martyn was probably bringing that experience with him too. A little research at the time showed that Plymouth had just appointed two fairly high powered directors who may not have been compatible with Martyns way of working and YouTube videos of Martyn alongside the Plymouth owner didn’t portray him as the kind of strong outgoing leader one would expect. So it didn’t come as a surprise when Martyns first statement told us he was going to concentrate on “community matter” and later he said himself he decided to leave Plymouth for personal reasons and had rung Wael on the off chance asking for a job. This coincided with Finance Director Steve Brookfield disappearing without a whisper so obviously, as an accountant, Martyn was slotting into that role with no real pretensions of being a real CEO. Sorry to be so forthright but there is clearly no plan at work here, it is a policy of clutching at straws and hoping something will turn up. Surely Starnes was brought in to replace the sh** stirring Hamer?
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