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Post by Jon the Stripe on Nov 8, 2014 21:03:26 GMT
Sorry but you can't have DC appreciation threads packed with praise for him and the say he should pick White. If you appreciate the job he's doing you gotta trust his judgement, he see's White in training, he see's his work ethic, his ability and his attitude.
I'd love to watch entertaining, high goal scoring football too, but the grinding out results formula has taken us from bottom 5 to top five, with Matty Taylor a huge part of that, DC has set out his stall going for a hard working, determined, dogged style and frankly it aint gonna be easy on the eye. But as someone said earlier this season Darrell has a job to do - Get promotion or lose his job. He doesn't have amazing quality players so we're not gonna tear teams a new arse. What he does have is something 90% of Gasheads have wanted for years - A team of players who every game put in a shift and are proud to wear the quarters.
Personally, i'm still not convinced DC is the man for long term, but he's on course to achieve his remit, he knows there's no time to build a football philosphy or beautiful style of play, he's got to get us Promoted , the club and his future demand it.
On the transfer front, the last thing we need is a signing that turns out worse than what we've got, again something most of us have had enough of seeing these last few years.UTG
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 21:16:17 GMT
Sorry but you can't have DC appreciation threads packed with praise for him and the say he should pick White. If you appreciate the job he's doing you gotta trust his judgement, he see's White in training, he see's his work ethic, his ability and his attitude. I'd love to watch entertaining, high goal scoring football too, but the grinding out results formula has taken us from bottom 5 to top five, with Matty Taylor a huge part of that, DC has set out his stall going for a hard working, determined, dogged style and frankly it aint gonna be easy on the eye. But as someone said earlier this season Darrell has a job to do - Get promotion or lose his job. He doesn't have amazing quality players so we're not gonna tear teams a new arse. What he does have is something 90% of Gasheads have wanted for years - A team of players who every game put in a shift and are proud to wear the quarters. Personally, i'm still not convinced DC is the man for long term, but he's on course to achieve his remit, he knows there's no time to build a football philosphy or beautiful style of play, he's got to get us Promoted , the club and his future demand it. On the transfer front, the last thing we need is a signing that turns out worse than what we've got, again something most of us have had enough of seeing these last few years.UTG why cant you have both Jon? There's good and bad. Hes done a lot of good sure but maybe he should have changed the front men. Shades of grey mate. Fifty of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 21:17:10 GMT
I can only think it's a fitness thing at this point.
DC signed him, so he must have rated him DC kept him here even though there was offers, so he must have plans for him.
White came to the club with a fitness issue and hasn't had much ressie games, hopefully they increase so he can get some match fitness
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Post by gaseous on Nov 8, 2014 21:19:50 GMT
I agree with you Jon on most of your points, I like DC myself, good, honest manager, a change from we've had of late but we are not scoring nowhere near enough goals and we may pick up more points with a striker scoring, just give White a chance, we need at least one striker scoring, we will not go up without that happening.
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 8, 2014 21:33:38 GMT
I can only think it's a fitness thing at this point. DC signed him, so he must have rated him DC kept him here even though there was offers, so he must have plans for him. White came to the club with a fitness issue and hasn't had much ressie games, hopefully they increase so he can get some match fitness how long does fitness take though?
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 8, 2014 21:40:00 GMT
Yes, because when he has had his chance as a sub he has taken it. Right. So to clarify: You're in favour of not trying a player who was scoring for fun with Salisbury last season because he's failed to score in the handful of 10-20mins he's been thrown. Whilst sticking with Taylor who's scored 3 in over a dozen starts?We could try Harrison with White for a few games. DC has options, we need to try stuff. even worse. Taylor has appeared in 19 out of 20 games this season. I think he has some photos of DC bumming a goat.
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Post by Strange Gas on Nov 8, 2014 21:43:32 GMT
And if it is fitness, why not say that? We all know when other players are unfit
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Post by Strange Gas on Nov 8, 2014 21:46:09 GMT
Right. So to clarify: You're in favour of not trying a player who was scoring for fun with Salisbury last season because he's failed to score in the handful of 10-20mins he's been thrown. Whilst sticking with Taylor who's scored 3 in over a dozen starts?We could try Harrison with White for a few games. DC has options, we need to try stuff. even worse. Taylor has appeared in 19 out of 20 games this season. I think he has some photos of DC bumming a goat. LMFAO
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 8, 2014 22:42:33 GMT
White has played 253 minutes first team action this season, including 3 starts - the full 90 minutes away at Barnet, and being hooked after an hour against Halifax and Braintree. No starts since that game, now over 2 months ago, since when he has only managed 8 minutes fr the bench. Seems that DC is either not happy with what he saw early season, or there is a fitness issue.
Harrison has played 416 conference minutes and scores two vital last minute winners coming off the bench, but again that was pretty much 2 months ago and cup hat-trick aside, he has done little of note since.
Our form when each striker has started:
Harrison: Played 2, Won 1, Drawn 1: 2pts per game, goals when starting: 0 White: Played 3, Won 1, Lost 2: 1pt per game, goals when starting: 0 Taylor: Played 16, Won 8, Drawn 5, Lost 3: 1.8pts per game, goals when starting: 3 (1 from open play) Cunnington: Played 12, Won 7, Drawn 3, Lost 2: 2pts per game, goals when starting: 3 Brunt: Played 2, Won 0, Drawn 1, Lost 1: 0.5pts per game, goals when starting: 0
So, in total our strikers have started 35 games between them and have found the net 6 times, but only 4 from open play from these starts.
Take the soon to be leaving Cunnington out of the equation and our strikers have started 23 games between them and scored 1 from open play from these starts.
That makes for woeful reading, and it is nothing short of astonishing that we are as high in the table as we are, considering these stats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 23:08:58 GMT
Sorry but you can't have DC appreciation threads packed with praise for him and the say he should pick White. If you appreciate the job he's doing you gotta trust his judgement, he see's White in training, he see's his work ethic, his ability and his attitude. I'd love to watch entertaining, high goal scoring football too, but the grinding out results formula has taken us from bottom 5 to top five, with Matty Taylor a huge part of that, DC has set out his stall going for a hard working, determined, dogged style and frankly it aint gonna be easy on the eye. But as someone said earlier this season Darrell has a job to do - Get promotion or lose his job. He doesn't have amazing quality players so we're not gonna tear teams a new arse. What he does have is something 90% of Gasheads have wanted for years - A team of players who every game put in a shift and are proud to wear the quarters. Personally, i'm still not convinced DC is the man for long term, but he's on course to achieve his remit, he knows there's no time to build a football philosphy or beautiful style of play, he's got to get us Promoted , the club and his future demand it. On the transfer front, the last thing we need is a signing that turns out worse than what we've got, again something most of us have had enough of seeing these last few years.UTG Well argued post Jon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 23:58:02 GMT
Sorry but you can't have DC appreciation threads packed with praise for him and the say he should pick White. If you appreciate the job he's doing you gotta trust his judgement, he see's White in training, he see's his work ethic, his ability and his attitude. I'd love to watch entertaining, high goal scoring football too, but the grinding out results formula has taken us from bottom 5 to top five, with Matty Taylor a huge part of that, DC has set out his stall going for a hard working, determined, dogged style and frankly it aint gonna be easy on the eye. But as someone said earlier this season Darrell has a job to do - Get promotion or lose his job. He doesn't have amazing quality players so we're not gonna tear teams a new arse. What he does have is something 90% of Gasheads have wanted for years - A team of players who every game put in a shift and are proud to wear the quarters. Personally, i'm still not convinced DC is the man for long term, but he's on course to achieve his remit, he knows there's no time to build a football philosphy or beautiful style of play, he's got to get us Promoted , the club and his future demand it. On the transfer front, the last thing we need is a signing that turns out worse than what we've got, again something most of us have had enough of seeing these last few years.UTG DC promised good football which is why he is getting criticised for not delivering it. Shot himself in the foot there. Disagree about Taylor he has cost us 6 or 7 points at least with shoddy finishing and he is being carried.
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Post by cheese4ead on Nov 9, 2014 5:05:49 GMT
Not scoring enough, yes, but being carried, definitely not!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 8:20:47 GMT
Not scoring enough, yes, but being carried, definitely not! His role in the team is to score, he has 1 from open play. If he is not scoring he should be assisting, he has very few assists too. Because of that we are reliant on goals from midfield and defence. Thats why I claim he is being carried. We should be right up there with Barnet, its largely down to him that we are not. He may come good but for god sake give someone else a go
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Nov 9, 2014 10:16:27 GMT
DC promised good football which is why he is getting criticised for not delivering it. Shot himself in the foot there. Disagree about Taylor he has cost us 6 or 7 points at least with shoddy finishing and he is being carried. Agreed Dins DC promised high tempo football, i'm disappointed too as i've said elsewhere, i'm concerned about DC, and he's gonna have to do a lot better for longer in many different ways to prove to me he's the man long term. I could list but won't. IMO he underestimated the job, with Braintree away being the pivotal game, he suddenly realised the expectation level i also think he was basically told you got a few games - ship up or shape out. He has since dug in with performance - his jobs at stake, simple as that. He's taking more help/advise from MS and SY. It's not good football, it's ugly but we've progressed up the table. Everyone knows MT needs to score more for us to increase our position, tell them something they don't know ffs. But, Marcus, Stevie etc obviously don't think White is the answer which is why A. We're sticking with Matt and B. We're actively looking for a striker. In the meantime Matty's hard work which helps us keep us defensively sound, means we can still nick games, until better is available we stick. Back to League action Tuesday, the new boy should make a difference along with a revitalised Brunty it's like having two new signings and a super sub Ellis waiting if required. Balanta also remains in the background - an unknown quantity that again could sharpen us up. Big week coming up and we may even get those extra few goals we're looking for. Bit more patience required i think, we haven't reached our potential yet and could still kick on. UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 9, 2014 10:28:52 GMT
Not scoring enough, yes, but being carried, definitely not! His role in the team is to score, he has 1 from open play. If he is not scoring he should be assisting, he has very few assists too. Because of that we are reliant on goals from midfield and defence. Thats why I claim he is being carried. We should be right up there with Barnet, its largely down to him that we are not. He may come good but for god sake give someone else a go Not sure that's the case, it;s not like Duffy & Williams in the past where they've missed an hat full of chances virtually every game, in the last 3 games Taylor having done the hard work failed to get in a shot against FGR in the other two games our forwards don't seem to have created a chance for him. That's the crux of the problem none of our forward players are good enough as a unit, which was also the case last season. It would be interesting to know how many chances we create in open play, just 1 or 2 a game?? DC's signings forwards wise are all average at best, Taylor, White, Cunnington, Martin, Gosling. Monkhouse & Balanta (?), now we're back to hoping Brunt or Harrison can change our fortunes again, if the lad from Fulham doesn't excel I really wonder if DC's capable of signing the players we need to get out of this division.
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 9, 2014 10:29:06 GMT
I think that going back to Braintree and before is to look back at a brand new team. Rather than blaming DC for underestimating opposition, I'd put those performances down to inevitable "bedding in". He doesn't strike me as a bloke who underestimates. He has seemed almost grimly realistic and determined from day one IMO.
sorry - this was replying to Jon the stripe's point.
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Post by Fetch on Nov 9, 2014 11:01:31 GMT
White is not an impact player. He's the player who does little off the ball, but rather waits for a good opportunity to get the ball and create or finish. He's patient, and effective, but only over long periods of time. He's not like Harrison who can come off the bench and run at defenders. He needs to be playing 90 minutes, and then he'll get goals.
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Nov 9, 2014 14:41:25 GMT
Right. So to clarify: You're in favour of not trying a player who was scoring for fun with Salisbury last season because he's failed to score in the handful of 10-20mins he's been thrown. Whilst sticking with Taylor who's scored 3 in over a dozen starts? We could try Harrison with White for a few games. DC has options, we need to try stuff. Precisely. I know we all want to see a proven goalscorer signed but there aren't many of those available in November. Even Tom Eaves, on loan at League Two Shrewsbury is struggling to find the net (2 in 25). Good stat Except Tom Eaves isnt on loan this season - those were last seasons figures Carry on.....
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Nov 9, 2014 14:46:10 GMT
Not connected but another former loanee Matt Lund just had his contract extended at Rochdale.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 18:07:55 GMT
DC promised good football which is why he is getting criticised for not delivering it. Shot himself in the foot there. Disagree about Taylor he has cost us 6 or 7 points at least with shoddy finishing and he is being carried. Agreed Dins DC promised high tempo football, i'm disappointed too as i've said elsewhere, i'm concerned about DC, and he's gonna have to do a lot better for longer in many different ways to prove to me he's the man long term. I could list but won't. IMO he underestimated the job, with Braintree away being the pivotal game, he suddenly realised the expectation level i also think he was basically told you got a few games - ship up or shape out. He has since dug in with performance - his jobs at stake, simple as that. He's taking more help/advise from MS and SY. It's not good football, it's ugly but we've progressed up the table. Everyone knows MT needs to score more for us to increase our position, tell them something they don't know ffs. But, Marcus, Stevie etc obviously don't think White is the answer which is why A. We're sticking with Matt and B. We're actively looking for a striker. In the meantime Matty's hard work which helps us keep us defensively sound, means we can still nick games, until better is available we stick. Back to League action Tuesday, the new boy should make a difference along with a revitalised Brunty it's like having two new signings and a super sub Ellis waiting if required. Balanta also remains in the background - an unknown quantity that again could sharpen us up. Big week coming up and we may even get those extra few goals we're looking for. Bit more patience required i think, we haven't reached our potential yet and could still kick on. UTG Then why has he refused a loan deal for White? He should Accept it was a bad signing and free up space. For what its worth if DC had said we will have to play ugly and grind out results to go up i would not have minded but the endless slagging off of John Ward and his style of football and stating he will play the right way narked me off when he then played the same way.
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