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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2020 21:31:39 GMT
This is the old chestnut that local gasheads somehow cannot also be talented and professional. Frankly it is bollocks. Utter balls. I judge people on what they produce, not what they say, who they know or how Machiavellian they can be. Wael and the staff he has brought in really have not done a better job than many before them, in fact some have caused huge divisions. They have caused them not by weeding out dodgy or inefficient people, but by being immature and frankly not very nice at times. I have to say Mehew, that’s just a complete ignorance of the facts and progress the 0202 has put up. Our commercial department now is head and shoulders above what it used to be. It draws more income than it ever has. It has to be said that most of the ways of generating that income have been cost neutral over the course of 12 months. We can all be a bit sentimental about our football club. But it still operates like a business, and there is or at least should not be any sentimentality in business. If someone isn’t performing and can’t/won’t improve and can be replaced by better then it should be done. As harsh as that sounds. We'll have to agree to disagree. I know a lot about what has gone on and it is not pretty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 21:34:28 GMT
I would suggest refusing to give a job to a wannabe scout whose only experience is watching YouTube and posting on a forum is pretty un-ragbag. Let's not forget you have your own personal issue with these owners. I haven't been refused a job so I don't know what you are going on about. The only issue I have with the owners is that they aren't very good. Nice outfit by the way...You look a right twat. Let's be realistic for a minute Pirate. What would they need to do for you to consider them good owners?
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Post by LJG on Jan 19, 2020 21:40:13 GMT
I would suggest refusing to give a job to a wannabe scout whose only experience is watching YouTube and posting on a forum is pretty un-ragbag. Let's not forget you have your own personal issue with these owners. I haven't been refused a job so I don't know what you are going on about. The only issue I have with the owners is that they aren't very good. Nice outfit by the way...You look a right twat. Approaches have been made to the club on your behalf as well you know. Probably by you as well. How ragbag would that have been to take on a YouTube scout? If you're talking about my avatar- as I've said before that's not a photo of me, the same as Henbury isn't a cat and Dirt Dogg isn't in the Wu Tang Clan. The gentleman in the photo is Lord Jonathan Sumption.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2020 21:43:29 GMT
I have to say Mehew, that’s just a complete ignorance of the facts and progress the 0202 has put up. Our commercial department now is head and shoulders above what it used to be. It draws more income than it ever has. It has to be said that most of the ways of generating that income have been cost neutral over the course of 12 months. We can all be a bit sentimental about our football club. But it still operates like a business, and there is or at least should not be any sentimentality in business. If someone isn’t performing and can’t/won’t improve and can be replaced by better then it should be done. As harsh as that sounds. We'll have to agree to disagree. I know a lot about what has gone on and it is not pretty. If it’s that bad, surely you should enlighten us all? What you heard?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2020 21:50:42 GMT
Start a Protest ... Off you Go ! Will die out in week or two. When are people going to realise these Suits don’t give a toss about fan reaction or care about fan opinion. They look down their noses at all of us and will do What they want, How they want, When they want with Whom so ever they want. Their retort is ...If you don’t like it ... Don’t come to the games. Sadly we are all addicted Gas heads who care for our clubs well being now and in the future when these Cuckoos in the Nest will have long since flown. Hopefully there will be something left to support ... If they do kill our club we will resurrect it somewhere else... WE are Bristol Rovers not them ! Look at their reaction when people don’t come to the games- Starnes let slip that Garner was an appointment to get crowd but bees back up and may have been planned in advance. Now, you could argue that the stay away fans caused the current mess because of the board’s desire to win them back etc etc but that’s an argument for another thread- I’m just trying to make the point that the way to make the board listen is to take your money away at the turnstile. That’s the only leverage we have and according to Starnes it’s leverage that dictates board policy. Fair point, but it only goes do far as the manager. It doesn't necessarily go any further. That's the problem. They may change manager to get crowds up but they won't put serious effort into a new stadium, or even new trg facilities, as they are not immediate gains. History has shown that low crowds / supporter unhappiness at performances CAN affect board decisions on managers. Certainly did with Ian Atkins who actually 'rescued' us from the morbidity of Gray Raydon. Did with Buckle and McGhee.
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Post by pirate on Jan 19, 2020 21:53:25 GMT
I haven't been refused a job so I don't know what you are going on about. The only issue I have with the owners is that they aren't very good. Nice outfit by the way...You look a right twat. Let's be realistic for a minute Pirate. What would they need to do for you to consider them good owners? Communicate with the fans a bit better and not treat us with contempt would be a start. Then maybe produce a training facility fit for purpose and new or redeveloped stadium. All the things they said were needed when they arrived on the scene over 4 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 21:57:10 GMT
Look at their reaction when people don’t come to the games- Starnes let slip that Garner was an appointment to get crowd but bees back up and may have been planned in advance. Now, you could argue that the stay away fans caused the current mess because of the board’s desire to win them back etc etc but that’s an argument for another thread- I’m just trying to make the point that the way to make the board listen is to take your money away at the turnstile. That’s the only leverage we have and according to Starnes it’s leverage that dictates board policy. Fair point, but it only goes do far as the manager. It doesn't necessarily go any further. That's the problem. They may change manager to get crowds up but they won't put serious effort into a new stadium, or even new trg facilities, as they are not immediate gains. History has shown that low crowds / supporter unhappiness at performances CAN affect board decisions on managers. Certainly did with Ian Atkins who actually 'rescued' us from the morbidity of Gray Raydon. Did with Buckle and McGhee. I wasn’t necessarily suggesting supporters voting with their feet would build a new stadium, that requires numerous factors outside of their control. But it might focus their communication and get them to pull their socks up when it comes to dealing with situations that require decisive leadership instead of being sat on their thumbs letting the situation control them.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 19, 2020 22:00:48 GMT
I would say, voices need to be raised before it's too late. We are in a sinking ship, millions in debt, I would think its about time...unless you think its acceptable CEO laughing at questions fans are interested and a President that is in hiding most the season.
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Post by pirate on Jan 19, 2020 22:02:46 GMT
I haven't been refused a job so I don't know what you are going on about. The only issue I have with the owners is that they aren't very good. Nice outfit by the way...You look a right twat. Approaches have been made to the club on your behalf as well you know. Probably by you as well. How ragbag would that have been to take on a YouTube scout? If you're talking about my avatar- as I've said before that's not a photo of me, the same as Henbury isn't a cat and Dirt Dogg isn't in the Wu Tang Clan. The gentleman in the photo is Lord Jonathan Sumption. I've tipped off the club about a few players in the past that they club might be interested in, which were gratefully received. As for approaches by other people, that has nothing to do with me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 22:07:48 GMT
Let's be realistic for a minute Pirate. What would they need to do for you to consider them good owners? Communicate with the fans a bit better and not treat us with contempt would be a start. Then maybe produce a training facility fit for purpose and new or redeveloped stadium. All the things they said were needed when they arrived on the scene over 4 years ago. Which basically translates to tell us everything we want to hear regardless of true intention and spend tens of millions of their own money on the gamble we can hold our own in the Championship. The problem four years ago was that they over communicated which was clearly an own goal in hindsight.
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Post by pirate on Jan 19, 2020 22:32:13 GMT
Communicate with the fans a bit better and not treat us with contempt would be a start. Then maybe produce a training facility fit for purpose and new or redeveloped stadium. All the things they said were needed when they arrived on the scene over 4 years ago. Which basically translates to tell us everything we want to hear regardless of true intention and spend tens of millions of their own money on the gamble we can hold our own in the Championship. The problem four years ago was that they over communicated which was clearly an own goal in hindsight. No, it translates to not going months without communicating and then when you do send the chief exec to stonewall questions and smugly laugh when asked if their communication is good enough! And then try to build a self sustainable football club with suitable facilities that are fit for purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 22:33:27 GMT
Which basically translates to tell us everything we want to hear regardless of true intention and spend tens of millions of their own money on the gamble we can hold our own in the Championship. The problem four years ago was that they over communicated which was clearly an own goal in hindsight. No, it translates to not going months without communicating and then when you do send the chief exec to stonewall questions and smugly laugh when asked if their communication is good enough! And then try to build a self sustainable football club with suitable facilities that are fit for purpose. In fairness to Starnes wasn’t he laughing at the bit where Geoff said he was expecting more info from him?
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Post by pirate on Jan 19, 2020 22:36:38 GMT
No, it translates to not going months without communicating and then when you do send the chief exec to stonewall questions and smugly laugh when asked if their communication is good enough! And then try to build a self sustainable football club with suitable facilities that are fit for purpose. In fairness to Starnes wasn’t he laughing at the bit where Geoff said he was expecting more info from him? Starnes' attitude was appalling throughout and I'm surprised Geoff remained as calm as he did.
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Post by aghast on Jan 19, 2020 22:37:29 GMT
give it to the fans to run the club Are you joking? Have you seen the moronic bollocks that gets posted on here and Facebook? There wouldn't be a club left to run before the season ended. Someone yesterday was suggesting a 25 year lease would be acceptable so long as it meant we moved to a new stadium. We wouldn't have any players left (except our "most naturally gifted player", Tom Nichols) because everyone would be queueing up to "drive them there myself" to any club that enquired. Just look at the Ollie Clarke thread. We wouldn't sign any new players; just look at how every single signing we make is absolutely trashed on here before they ever kick a ball in a blue and white quartered shirt. And we'd spunk endless money on surplus stock of every single thing because apparently no one can understand the concept of a limited edition shirt. The main thing keeping this club going at the moment is the fact our drongo supporters don't own it. A bit patronising, but in tune with your other posts. I don't think many fans are setting out a fully costed business plan, with finance already in place. Just some people expressing their opinions on social media. Ordinary fans, or 'drongos', as you choose to call them.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 19, 2020 22:51:39 GMT
In fairness to Starnes wasn’t he laughing at the bit where Geoff said he was expecting more info from him? Starnes' attitude was appalling throughout and I'm surprised Geoff remained as calm as he did. There was a moment when I thought Geoff was going to just cut the interview off. The one thing I garnered from it, thinking over it again today, is that Wael clearly has appointed agents to deal with the sale of the club. Otherwise, why wouldn’t he just refute the suggestion, rather than suggesting it was possible he might not have been told. It was such a bizarre answer when he could have just said no.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 23:10:36 GMT
Which basically translates to tell us everything we want to hear regardless of true intention and spend tens of millions of their own money on the gamble we can hold our own in the Championship. The problem four years ago was that they over communicated which was clearly an own goal in hindsight. No, it translates to not going months without communicating and then when you do send the chief exec to stonewall questions and smugly laugh when asked if their communication is good enough! And then try to build a self sustainable football club with suitable facilities that are fit for purpose. You're an intelligent chap Pirate. Tell me roughly how much a training ground and modern stadium (plus land cost) in the Bristol area would cost? I really struggle to get my head around anyone demanding that someone else must invest invest tens of millions at ultimately their own risk. I actually think the animosity towards the owners is wrapped up in a much bigger issue which is the financial distribution in the game and how clubs like ours have been cut adrift. The failure of previous owners in the 90's and 00's to generate funding and find a new, sustainable home is far more damming in my eyes. That was the missed opportunity.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 19, 2020 23:26:22 GMT
No, it translates to not going months without communicating and then when you do send the chief exec to stonewall questions and smugly laugh when asked if their communication is good enough! And then try to build a self sustainable football club with suitable facilities that are fit for purpose. You're an intelligent chap Pirate. Tell me roughly how much a training ground and modern stadium (plus land cost) in the Bristol area would cost? I really struggle to get my head around anyone demanding that someone else must invest invest tens of millions at ultimately their own risk. I actually think the animosity towards the owners is wrapped up in a much bigger issue which is the financial distribution in the game and how clubs like ours have been cut adrift. The failure of previous owners in the 90's and 00's to generate funding and find a new, sustainable home is far more damming in my eyes. That was the missed opportunity. I understand the cost of developing the Colony into something similar to Fleetwood Town’s training center would have been around 5 million and a 20 000 capacity stadium would cost 40 - 50 million. People investing tens of millions into projects at their own risk is how business works. The success of previous owners in securing the Mem as our home has now been far outweighed by the wasting of all the equity in it but at least 60% of that financial failure has happened in the last four years not in the previous eighteen.
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Post by pirate on Jan 19, 2020 23:33:31 GMT
No, it translates to not going months without communicating and then when you do send the chief exec to stonewall questions and smugly laugh when asked if their communication is good enough! And then try to build a self sustainable football club with suitable facilities that are fit for purpose. You're an intelligent chap Pirate. Tell me roughly how much a training ground and modern stadium (plus land cost) in the Bristol area would cost? I really struggle to get my head around anyone demanding that someone else must invest invest tens of millions at ultimately their own risk. I actually think the animosity towards the owners is wrapped up in a much bigger issue which is the financial distribution in the game and how clubs like ours have been cut adrift. The failure of previous owners in the 90's and 00's to generate funding and find a new, sustainable home is far more damming in my eyes. That was the missed opportunity. We've got the land for the training ground. You'd have to ask the owners why work hasn't started as we were promised we would be moving in there for March 2017. No idea how much the stadium would cost, but as WAQi has said in the past: "If we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen. “A new stadium has to be built. We cannot be sustainable if we stay at the Memorial,” Al-Qadi said.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2020 23:54:04 GMT
You're an intelligent chap Pirate. Tell me roughly how much a training ground and modern stadium (plus land cost) in the Bristol area would cost? I really struggle to get my head around anyone demanding that someone else must invest invest tens of millions at ultimately their own risk. I actually think the animosity towards the owners is wrapped up in a much bigger issue which is the financial distribution in the game and how clubs like ours have been cut adrift. The failure of previous owners in the 90's and 00's to generate funding and find a new, sustainable home is far more damming in my eyes. That was the missed opportunity. I understand the cost of developing the Colony into something similar to Fleetwood Town’s training center would have been around 5 million and a 20 000 capacity stadium would cost 40 - 50 million. People investing tens of millions into projects at their own risk is how business works. The success of previous owners in securing the Mem as our home has now been far outweighed by the wasting of all the equity in it but at least 60% of that financial failure has happened in the last four years not in the previous eighteen. The cost of a cat 3 training facility was somewhere near £12m according to one of the directors of a company that was sounded out about building it. £5m would have gotten us 4 pitches and some basic changing facilities. I seem to remember him saying that the real cost was getting utility supply running into the place and in clearing all the groundwork’s to build the correct drainage for the site.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 20, 2020 0:06:24 GMT
I haven't been refused a job so I don't know what you are going on about. The only issue I have with the owners is that they aren't very good. Nice outfit by the way...You look a right twat. Approaches have been made to the club on your behalf as well you know. Probably by you as well. How ragbag would that have been to take on a YouTube scout? If you're talking about my avatar- as I've said before that's not a photo of me, the same as Henbury isn't a cat and Dirt Dogg isn't in the Wu Tang Clan. The gentleman in the photo is Lord Jonathan Sumption. Please excuse my ignorance but who is Lord Jonathon Sumption? Not that I believe in titles.
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