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Post by barumgas on Mar 8, 2020 13:51:49 GMT
One big mistake the remaining BG disciples have is if he survives until the summer,he isnt to have a decent budget to bring in any better players then we have at present.
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Post by baggins on Mar 8, 2020 13:57:17 GMT
One big mistake the remaining BG disciples have is if he survives until the summer,he isnt to have a decent budget to bring in any better players then we have at present. I'm not sure there are any BG disciples anymore. I was one of them and even with the darkest of rose tinted specs I've had enough. And it's not just BG, some of the players need to get it into their heads that they're here to do a job. A job most of us would love to have and it's about time they got over themselves and started performing.
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Post by teanbiscuits on Mar 8, 2020 14:08:39 GMT
It’s what happens between August and May next year that worries me, when he ain’t got a cushion of points to fall back on. Completely agree, if it had been the usual 4 to go down season the boards hand may well have been forced already but I think they have put all their eggs in the summer revamp basket and will stick to that regardless. That's a dangerous plan when we've already lost 2000 season tickets for this season. That was without the board and the manager p*ssing everyone off too so I'd predict many more people not renewing this summer and much heavier losses than 65 grand a week. That's no budget for a revamp especially when the sorts of player Ben Garner wants would be coached at a much higher level than ours.
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Post by baggins on Mar 8, 2020 14:12:30 GMT
Completely agree, if it had been the usual 4 to go down season the boards hand may well have been forced already but I think they have put all their eggs in the summer revamp basket and will stick to that regardless. That's a dangerous plan when we've already lost 2000 season tickets for this season. That was without the board and the manager p*ssing everyone off too so I'd predict many more people not renewing this summer and much heavier losses than 65 grand a week. That's no budget for a revamp especially when the sorts of player Ben Garner wants would be coached at a much higher level than ours. We're down 2000 season tickets on last season? That can't be right?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 14:25:58 GMT
Sounds to me BG's told most of them they'll be replaced in the summer, I guess their best hope is Garner's replaced before they are! It's complete mismanagement by Wael/MS/BG, somebody like Holloway would have kept us ticking along then made the changes in the summer as required. If that's the case then why continue to pick the same old guard midfield that clearly can not play to his system ? That one twist my melon, man
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 8, 2020 14:40:10 GMT
What should we do? Wave some green and (whatever colour it was) scarves? Pitchforks in the West Stand car park? An annotated bed sheet above the M32? Sing Garner out, relentlessly for 90 minutes. No stopping - everyone in the crowd. Even throughout half time. Then pitch invasion at full time to sing it in front of box one until it's confirmed he's gone. Its just as important that the board (all two of them) leave as it is Garner. I dont even care if we have to start again from scratch.
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 8, 2020 14:45:19 GMT
Sing Garner out, relentlessly for 90 minutes. No stopping - everyone in the crowd. Even throughout half time. Then pitch invasion at full time to sing it in front of box one until it's confirmed he's gone. You think that'll help the Team? The problem with this plan is that we have two board members one of whom is in Jordan and the other is merely his servant and probably wont turn up. As nice as it will be signing Garner out on the pitch in front of Dave and Ian from Hanham Hotpots matchball sponsors it wont make a jot of difference.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 14:47:35 GMT
1/ He is trying to develop youngsters to make us more sustainable as a club... Produce assets to give more value to the club. 2/ whilst I completely agree the performances haven't been good enough, what I was trying to say was a) I don't think anyone else would do much better at the moment. b) Coughlans football would get found out at a higher lever (if we got there). 3/ He obviously has a high coaching pedigree (hence the various recommendations) and he is trying to get us to play that type of game which will benefit us in the long run 1/ The development squad seem to be going backwards if anything (I don't blame BG for that by the way) and he seems reluctant to actually play young players 2/ I agree we don't know for sure if anyone could do better but what we DO know is that with his results no one could do any worse! 3/ I would like to believe he is trying to make us play the 'right' way but I haven't seen any evidence, the players seem completely lost and I haven't really seen any masterplan in his tactics. I also agree he had a great reputation as a coach but it is a big step up to being a manager. A coach is in control of his environment the key strength of a manager is being able to adapt to the circumstances, BG seems incapable of this If anything he has shown he will do anything not to adapt and is trying to get a third tier team, to play higher level tactics but without the players capable of doing it. I’m positive that blaming them will not enthuse them & will only lead to frustration and anger. The definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing over and expect different results. He is truly showing not just his poor judgment but will not take responsibility himself. I think many of us would probably feel more aligned with him if he were to say, sorry but I made an error of judgment but it just can’t work but he is using everything else , to avoid any responsibility for the massive turnaround, since he took over. He can’t be trusted to bring in more players given the budget being cut.
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 8, 2020 14:51:10 GMT
MEET THE NEW BOSS Posted by Rick Johansen | Mar 7, 2020 | Eclectic Blue | 0 | When I finally took the decision to make my divorce with Bristol Rovers absolute, so to speak, I decided to keep my Eclectic Blue handle. Why not, indeed, since I’ve been using it since 1999? I’ve not been to a Rovers game for a very long time and there is not the remotest prospect of me going to another, but I still retain a passing interest in my old club. And today, I even listened to some radio commentary of the trip to Southend United, as well as the subsequent phone-in on Radio Bristol. All I can say is that when it comes to Bristol Rovers, very little changes.
That the team lost to a team doomed to relegation and, from all accounts, deservedly, was no surprise. And neither was the post match criticism and, specifically, to whom it was generally directed. The manager.
Rovers have now won one of their last 18 games, form that, if they had not already accumulated a shed load of points under the previous manager, would spell certain relegation. That’s unlikely to be the case this season, because of the disappearance of Bury and the points deduction against Bolton. It’s not good, is it, but can the manager, Ben Garner, be wholly responsible?
I do not know the ins and outs of what is happening at BRFC but Garner did not appoint himself. From what I can tell, he was appointed by the CEO Martyn Starnes and fun-loving Jordanian playboy and occasional club preisident Wael al Qadi. I remember reading Starnes’ gushing welcome to the new boss. It was they what done it. But that’s not all they’ve done.
Under the al Qadi’s, the club is losing more money than ever in its history. In the early 2000s, the club struggled to stay alive with losses barely a third of what they are today and now it relies on its survival to the whims of owners living thousands of miles away, owners with no familial, geographical, historical or emotional connection with the club. For the first time I can remember, none of the board members or senior employees, with the exception of joke figure Ken Masters, are Gasheads. They have promised lots, they have delivered absolutely nothing.
The Memorial Stadium, which in my opinion should be renamed Memorial Ground, is still unfit for purpose. There is no new training ground. There is little talk of a new stadium. There is lots of gossip about new owners and new investment but Gasheads are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed sh**. We hear Wael al Qadi is desperate to stay at the Rovers but moneyman brother Hani wants out. Is any of this true? No one says anything. And Rovers stagger on, year after year, from crisis to crisis, with no obvious plan for the future and whose fault is it? Of course. The manager.
My dead horse has long been flogged to excess so I can only repeat what I have been saying for the best part of two decades: if Gasheads want things to happen at BRFC, they need to get active and to challenge the powers-that-be. They should demand clarity, they should demand honesty and they should demand truth. No more hiding behind empty slogans like “We are committed to BRFC in the long term”. Tell people why and how and give supporters something to believe in. Demand better.
From the outside, based on no knowledge whatsoever, it could be that Ben Garner is a truly great coach, just like Steve McClaren was a truly great coach. Sadly, we know that whilst McClaren was a great coach, he’s a rubbish manager. Time, I guess, will prove whether Garner is a great manager as well as a great coach, although the signs don’t look good.
Sack Garner if you like, but then what? Support the new bloke and then blame him when things go tits up, as they always do at BRFC? Or look beyond the green, green grass of the Mem and look towards the Gods sitting in the executive boxes? In a decade, none of the suits and moneymen will be anywhere near BS7, but you might be. This, Gasheads, is your club, as it once was mine. You have more power than you can possibly imagine. But only if you use it. My honest advice is for you not to use it because if you lose the fight, as I did, it spoils everything. Bit of a dilemma, eh?
Garner out, and all that, but then what?
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Post by adrian301 on Mar 8, 2020 14:55:28 GMT
If BG is angry and disappointed with the last two performances, he should be looking to make several changes for the next match. Barring the keeper, that should mean whoever was on the bench starts and a few others get plunged into first team football.
Will he be that ruthless?
If it's mostly the same team again, he will show he hasn't got the bottle. It's apparent he doesn't do the hairdryer treatment, so he should just drop players to get his message across, but we must have used the same players week in week out.
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 8, 2020 14:59:42 GMT
One thing I keep wondering. If we accept that the (his/their) plan is is to move on those seen as "not worthy" or maybe too expensive, given his track record thus far - and little prospect it will improve too much - how does he persuade young players with any decent prospect/career in front of them, to join him on his jolly journey into oblivion next season? I am sure there must be a pro's "grapevine" in the trade, so to speak, which must be buzzing with all sorts of bad vibes I am assuming?
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 8, 2020 15:00:20 GMT
MEET THE NEW BOSS Posted by Rick Johansen | Mar 7, 2020 | Eclectic Blue | 0 | When I finally took the decision to make my divorce with Bristol Rovers absolute, so to speak, I decided to keep my Eclectic Blue handle. Why not, indeed, since I’ve been using it since 1999? I’ve not been to a Rovers game for a very long time and there is not the remotest prospect of me going to another, but I still retain a passing interest in my old club. And today, I even listened to some radio commentary of the trip to Southend United, as well as the subsequent phone-in on Radio Bristol. All I can say is that when it comes to Bristol Rovers, very little changes. That the team lost to a team doomed to relegation and, from all accounts, deservedly, was no surprise. And neither was the post match criticism and, specifically, to whom it was generally directed. The manager. Rovers have now won one of their last 18 games, form that, if they had not already accumulated a shed load of points under the previous manager, would spell certain relegation. That’s unlikely to be the case this season, because of the disappearance of Bury and the points deduction against Bolton. It’s not good, is it, but can the manager, Ben Garner, be wholly responsible? I do not know the ins and outs of what is happening at BRFC but Garner did not appoint himself. From what I can tell, he was appointed by the CEO Martyn Starnes and fun-loving Jordanian playboy and occasional club preisident Wael al Qadi. I remember reading Starnes’ gushing welcome to the new boss. It was they what done it. But that’s not all they’ve done. Under the al Qadi’s, the club is losing more money than ever in its history. In the early 2000s, the club struggled to stay alive with losses barely a third of what they are today and now it relies on its survival to the whims of owners living thousands of miles away, owners with no familial, geographical, historical or emotional connection with the club. For the first time I can remember, none of the board members or senior employees, with the exception of joke figure Ken Masters, are Gasheads. They have promised lots, they have delivered absolutely nothing. The Memorial Stadium, which in my opinion should be renamed Memorial Ground, is still unfit for purpose. There is no new training ground. There is little talk of a new stadium. There is lots of gossip about new owners and new investment but Gasheads are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed sh**. We hear Wael al Qadi is desperate to stay at the Rovers but moneyman brother Hani wants out. Is any of this true? No one says anything. And Rovers stagger on, year after year, from crisis to crisis, with no obvious plan for the future and whose fault is it? Of course. The manager. My dead horse has long been flogged to excess so I can only repeat what I have been saying for the best part of two decades: if Gasheads want things to happen at BRFC, they need to get active and to challenge the powers-that-be. They should demand clarity, they should demand honesty and they should demand truth. No more hiding behind empty slogans like “We are committed to BRFC in the long term”. Tell people why and how and give supporters something to believe in. Demand better. From the outside, based on no knowledge whatsoever, it could be that Ben Garner is a truly great coach, just like Steve McClaren was a truly great coach. Sadly, we know that whilst McClaren was a great coach, he’s a rubbish manager. Time, I guess, will prove whether Garner is a great manager as well as a great coach, although the signs don’t look good. Sack Garner if you like, but then what? Support the new bloke and then blame him when things go tits up, as they always do at BRFC? Or look beyond the green, green grass of the Mem and look towards the Gods sitting in the executive boxes? In a decade, none of the suits and moneymen will be anywhere near BS7, but you might be. This, Gasheads, is your club, as it once was mine. You have more power than you can possibly imagine. But only if you use it. My honest advice is for you not to use it because if you lose the fight, as I did, it spoils everything. Bit of a dilemma, eh? Garner out, and all that, but then what? spot on-spoken to loads of gas that don’t go anymore cause nothing gets done
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 8, 2020 15:02:44 GMT
If BG is angry and disappointed with the last two performances, he should be looking to make several changes for the next match. Barring the keeper, that should mean whoever was on the bench starts and a few others get plunged into first team football. Will he be that ruthless? If it's mostly the same team again, he will show he hasn't got the bottle. It's apparent he doesn't do the hairdryer treatment, so he should just drop players to get his message across, but we must have used the same players week in week out. Would imagine, if what we are suspecting/speculating is true, those he drops will be quite glad of that prospect. Sadly.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 15:04:23 GMT
MEET THE NEW BOSS Posted by Rick Johansen | Mar 7, 2020 | Eclectic Blue | 0 | When I finally took the decision to make my divorce with Bristol Rovers absolute, so to speak, I decided to keep my Eclectic Blue handle. Why not, indeed, since I’ve been using it since 1999? I’ve not been to a Rovers game for a very long time and there is not the remotest prospect of me going to another, but I still retain a passing interest in my old club. And today, I even listened to some radio commentary of the trip to Southend United, as well as the subsequent phone-in on Radio Bristol. All I can say is that when it comes to Bristol Rovers, very little changes. That the team lost to a team doomed to relegation and, from all accounts, deservedly, was no surprise. And neither was the post match criticism and, specifically, to whom it was generally directed. The manager. Rovers have now won one of their last 18 games, form that, if they had not already accumulated a shed load of points under the previous manager, would spell certain relegation. That’s unlikely to be the case this season, because of the disappearance of Bury and the points deduction against Bolton. It’s not good, is it, but can the manager, Ben Garner, be wholly responsible? I do not know the ins and outs of what is happening at BRFC but Garner did not appoint himself. From what I can tell, he was appointed by the CEO Martyn Starnes and fun-loving Jordanian playboy and occasional club preisident Wael al Qadi. I remember reading Starnes’ gushing welcome to the new boss. It was they what done it. But that’s not all they’ve done. Under the al Qadi’s, the club is losing more money than ever in its history. In the early 2000s, the club struggled to stay alive with losses barely a third of what they are today and now it relies on its survival to the whims of owners living thousands of miles away, owners with no familial, geographical, historical or emotional connection with the club. For the first time I can remember, none of the board members or senior employees, with the exception of joke figure Ken Masters, are Gasheads. They have promised lots, they have delivered absolutely nothing. The Memorial Stadium, which in my opinion should be renamed Memorial Ground, is still unfit for purpose. There is no new training ground. There is little talk of a new stadium. There is lots of gossip about new owners and new investment but Gasheads are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed sh**. We hear Wael al Qadi is desperate to stay at the Rovers but moneyman brother Hani wants out. Is any of this true? No one says anything. And Rovers stagger on, year after year, from crisis to crisis, with no obvious plan for the future and whose fault is it? Of course. The manager. My dead horse has long been flogged to excess so I can only repeat what I have been saying for the best part of two decades: if Gasheads want things to happen at BRFC, they need to get active and to challenge the powers-that-be. They should demand clarity, they should demand honesty and they should demand truth. No more hiding behind empty slogans like “We are committed to BRFC in the long term”. Tell people why and how and give supporters something to believe in. Demand better. From the outside, based on no knowledge whatsoever, it could be that Ben Garner is a truly great coach, just like Steve McClaren was a truly great coach. Sadly, we know that whilst McClaren was a great coach, he’s a rubbish manager. Time, I guess, will prove whether Garner is a great manager as well as a great coach, although the signs don’t look good. Sack Garner if you like, but then what? Support the new bloke and then blame him when things go tits up, as they always do at BRFC? Or look beyond the green, green grass of the Mem and look towards the Gods sitting in the executive boxes? In a decade, none of the suits and moneymen will be anywhere near BS7, but you might be. This, Gasheads, is your club, as it once was mine. You have more power than you can possibly imagine. But only if you use it. My honest advice is for you not to use it because if you lose the fight, as I did, it spoils everything. Bit of a dilemma, eh? Garner out, and all that, but then what? Feel sorry for Rick as he will say he’s not interested now but it’s the same for all of us, it’s in our DNA but he is right about the true person or people to blame and I think that this piece could be edited ( with permission of course) made into a petition and then handed to Wael by one of the few posters, who get close enough to do so. I know we are not good at protesting but surely a petition would get plenty of signatures, no ?
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 8, 2020 15:09:33 GMT
Sack Garner if you like, but then what? Support the new bloke and then blame him when things go tits up, as they always do at BRFC? Or look beyond the green, green grass of the Mem and look towards the Gods sitting in the executive boxes? In a decade, none of the suits and moneymen will be anywhere near BS7, but you might be. This, Gasheads, is your club, as it once was mine. You have more power than you can possibly imagine. But only if you use it. My honest advice is for you not to use it because if you lose the fight, as I did, it spoils everything. Bit of a dilemma, eh? Garner out, and all that, but then what? Can only but agree with your sentiments but I would counter: Keep Garner if you like, but don't be surprised if next season is the same/worse with a start from Nil PointsGarner out, and all that, but then what. Well whatever it is can't be any worse. Surely?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 15:34:01 GMT
The incompetence and indifference from the owners could easily lead us to administration. Sensational nonsense? Well, look at the evidence: the size of the likely losses (even worse when the next accounts are published), falling season ticket revenues, falling match day revenues, and the inability to recognise they’ve made a bad appointment and not sack BG who is clearly out of his depth. Keep BG and we’ll be accelerating to League Two. Keep losing on and off the pitch and the club will be in truly dire financial straits.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 8, 2020 15:34:37 GMT
Cant see what the masterplan is or the end game that is being planned. Just cant get my head around why they want to destroy the club. What value is it to them to be allowed to fail
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 15:46:30 GMT
Cant see what the masterplan is or the end game that is being planned. Just cant get my head around why they want to destroy the club. What value is it to them to be allowed to fail The debt is internal, they could put the club into admin but sell the mem as it’s owned by another DWANE subsidiary. The caveat of providing a ground would no longer exist if there is no club. Hard to read isn’t it but this is what could happen. Not saying it will but that it’s one of many scenarios that is possible.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 8, 2020 15:52:40 GMT
Cant see what the masterplan is or the end game that is being planned. Just cant get my head around why they want to destroy the club. What value is it to them to be allowed to fail I sense it's just rank bad management by Wael not a deliberate ploy to ruin us, after all he can't be a very good banker if Hani and his late father were happy for him to leave the AJIB and just act as our part time President.
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Post by pirate on Mar 8, 2020 16:01:51 GMT
MEET THE NEW BOSS Posted by Rick Johansen | Mar 7, 2020 | Eclectic Blue | 0 | When I finally took the decision to make my divorce with Bristol Rovers absolute, so to speak, I decided to keep my Eclectic Blue handle. Why not, indeed, since I’ve been using it since 1999? I’ve not been to a Rovers game for a very long time and there is not the remotest prospect of me going to another, but I still retain a passing interest in my old club. And today, I even listened to some radio commentary of the trip to Southend United, as well as the subsequent phone-in on Radio Bristol. All I can say is that when it comes to Bristol Rovers, very little changes. That the team lost to a team doomed to relegation and, from all accounts, deservedly, was no surprise. And neither was the post match criticism and, specifically, to whom it was generally directed. The manager. Rovers have now won one of their last 18 games, form that, if they had not already accumulated a shed load of points under the previous manager, would spell certain relegation. That’s unlikely to be the case this season, because of the disappearance of Bury and the points deduction against Bolton. It’s not good, is it, but can the manager, Ben Garner, be wholly responsible? I do not know the ins and outs of what is happening at BRFC but Garner did not appoint himself. From what I can tell, he was appointed by the CEO Martyn Starnes and fun-loving Jordanian playboy and occasional club preisident Wael al Qadi. I remember reading Starnes’ gushing welcome to the new boss. It was they what done it. But that’s not all they’ve done. Under the al Qadi’s, the club is losing more money than ever in its history. In the early 2000s, the club struggled to stay alive with losses barely a third of what they are today and now it relies on its survival to the whims of owners living thousands of miles away, owners with no familial, geographical, historical or emotional connection with the club. For the first time I can remember, none of the board members or senior employees, with the exception of joke figure Ken Masters, are Gasheads. They have promised lots, they have delivered absolutely nothing. The Memorial Stadium, which in my opinion should be renamed Memorial Ground, is still unfit for purpose. There is no new training ground. There is little talk of a new stadium. There is lots of gossip about new owners and new investment but Gasheads are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed sh**. We hear Wael al Qadi is desperate to stay at the Rovers but moneyman brother Hani wants out. Is any of this true? No one says anything. And Rovers stagger on, year after year, from crisis to crisis, with no obvious plan for the future and whose fault is it? Of course. The manager. My dead horse has long been flogged to excess so I can only repeat what I have been saying for the best part of two decades: if Gasheads want things to happen at BRFC, they need to get active and to challenge the powers-that-be. They should demand clarity, they should demand honesty and they should demand truth. No more hiding behind empty slogans like “We are committed to BRFC in the long term”. Tell people why and how and give supporters something to believe in. Demand better. From the outside, based on no knowledge whatsoever, it could be that Ben Garner is a truly great coach, just like Steve McClaren was a truly great coach. Sadly, we know that whilst McClaren was a great coach, he’s a rubbish manager. Time, I guess, will prove whether Garner is a great manager as well as a great coach, although the signs don’t look good. Sack Garner if you like, but then what? Support the new bloke and then blame him when things go tits up, as they always do at BRFC? Or look beyond the green, green grass of the Mem and look towards the Gods sitting in the executive boxes? In a decade, none of the suits and moneymen will be anywhere near BS7, but you might be. This, Gasheads, is your club, as it once was mine. You have more power than you can possibly imagine. But only if you use it. My honest advice is for you not to use it because if you lose the fight, as I did, it spoils everything. Bit of a dilemma, eh? Garner out, and all that, but then what? Superb from Rick.
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