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Post by Russgas on Mar 8, 2020 17:40:45 GMT
If BG is angry and disappointed with the last two performances, he should be looking to make several changes for the next match. Barring the keeper, that should mean whoever was on the bench starts and a few others get plunged into first team football. Will he be that ruthless? If it's mostly the same team again, he will show he hasn't got the bottle. It's apparent he doesn't do the hairdryer treatment, so he should just drop players to get his message across, but we must have used the same players week in week out. I agree Adrian, but he will just probably play safe and select the same old faces again whose confidence is now shot to pieces anyway. We got some good kids at this club who deserve a chance. We are in a situation now where we have enough points really to experiment a little. I would love to see players like tomlinson given a chance,can he really be any worse than the utter tripe we currently got.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Mar 8, 2020 17:47:51 GMT
There is some merit in wholesale changes. If BG is convinced that some players are not up to it and have no future at Rovers why pick them?
Strange that probably some of those surplus players were once very instrumental in getting this club to 4th in the Division......
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Post by lpgas on Mar 8, 2020 19:01:13 GMT
I think that even if Garner was to go, anyone else coming in wouldn't really improve things between now and the end of the season.... Confidence is low, and players need to be moved on anyway possible i.e. Bennett. (Whilst I'm prepared to be shot down), I don't think realistically we would have gone up even if the previous regime were still in charge and then would the type of football being played be successful long term.... Who knows but I think not especially if you want to progress up the ladder. That type of football can only get you so far.... I am still on the opinion that Garner is the right man. Give him the summer to have a really good go, a few months of getting across what he wants with a squad he wants. If the last window is anything to go by, business will be done early and that will give him the best possible chance and then definitely nowhere to hide then . I still think he is the right man. I genuinely think he can take us forward long term. UTG!!! Bennett has another year. Realistically, we would have been on the play offs which we wouldn't have won, but would have earned us a few thousand, not to mention the better gates then we are getting now. As for the way we played, well 4-3 at Shrewsbury, and 2-1 at Ipswich 4-2 against Southend, all good games to watch. Yes we were defensive, but you build a team from the back, because if you don't concede you don't lose. As for the last window, all kids with about 4 league appearances between them. You think that's good? He will get more kids in in the summer, and we will have a young and inexperienced team and in Division One that spells trouble, because teams dominate and bully other teams in Division One. finally what do you consider "Long Term?" 1 year 2 years 3 years? Or 5 years? Truth is developing young players and selling them on means you don't go anywhere, you stay in Division One producing players for wealthier clubs to buy. And before you quote "sustainable", there are no clubs that are sustainable because wages far exceed crowds, even Liverpool are £400 million in debt
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Post by teanbiscuits on Mar 8, 2020 21:40:01 GMT
That's a dangerous plan when we've already lost 2000 season tickets for this season. That was without the board and the manager p*ssing everyone off too so I'd predict many more people not renewing this summer and much heavier losses than 65 grand a week. That's no budget for a revamp especially when the sorts of player Ben Garner wants would be coached at a much higher level than ours. We're down 2000 season tickets on last season? That can't be right? That was the figure being banded around last summer after the season had started. Unfortunately, I'm not in any position to back that up with facts.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 8, 2020 21:53:36 GMT
I think that even if Garner was to go, anyone else coming in wouldn't really improve things between now and the end of the season.... Confidence is low, and players need to be moved on anyway possible i.e. Bennett. (Whilst I'm prepared to be shot down), I don't think realistically we would have gone up even if the previous regime were still in charge and then would the type of football being played be successful long term.... Who knows but I think not especially if you want to progress up the ladder. That type of football can only get you so far.... I am still on the opinion that Garner is the right man. Give him the summer to have a really good go, a few months of getting across what he wants with a squad he wants. If the last window is anything to go by, business will be done early and that will give him the best possible chance and then definitely nowhere to hide then . I still think he is the right man. I genuinely think he can take us forward long term. UTG!!! Bennett has another year. Realistically, we would have been on the play offs which we wouldn't have won, but would have earned us a few thousand, not to mention the better gates then we are getting now. As for the way we played, well 4-3 at Shrewsbury, and 2-1 at Ipswich 4-2 against Southend, all good games to watch. Yes we were defensive, but you build a team from the back, because if you don't concede you don't lose. As for the last window, all kids with about 4 league appearances between them. You think that's good? He will get more kids in in the summer, and we will have a young and inexperienced team and in Division One that spells trouble, because teams dominate and bully other teams in Division One. finally what do you consider "Long Term?" 1 year 2 years 3 years? Or 5 years? Truth is developing young players and selling them on means you don't go anywhere, you stay in Division One producing players for wealthier clubs to buy. And before you quote "sustainable", there are no clubs that are sustainable because wages far exceed crowds, even Liverpool are £400 million in debt Realistically GC decided he didn't want to manage us, what do propose we did to make him stay? Plus did any of us really want to continue watching the cr@p his and DC's teams had served up at the Mem for the last 2 years? Just our luck BG doesn't seem the right man to take us forward. .
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 8, 2020 22:10:19 GMT
If BG is angry and disappointed with the last two performances, he should be looking to make several changes for the next match. Barring the keeper, that should mean whoever was on the bench starts and a few others get plunged into first team football. Will he be that ruthless? If it's mostly the same team again, he will show he hasn't got the bottle. It's apparent he doesn't do the hairdryer treatment, so he should just drop players to get his message across, but we must have used the same players week in week out. I agree Adrian, but he will just probably play safe and select the same old faces again whose confidence is now shot to pieces anyway. We got some good kids at this club who deserve a chance. We are in a situation now where we have enough points really to experiment a little. I would love to see players like tomlinson given a chance,can he really be any worse than the utter tripe we currently got. Aren't both Ogogo & Upson suspended for Tues ? If so it will force at least one change from Sat. I think most of us would agree central midfield is a weak part of the team (creatively speaking) so at least it gives someone else a go in there.
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Post by Dr Gas on Mar 9, 2020 1:59:53 GMT
Patience people. All good things come to those who wait.
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 9, 2020 3:45:03 GMT
They’ll have to get rid if he doesn’t put a few more points on the board. Selling 12 ST’s is not sustainable.
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Post by Rod1883 on Mar 9, 2020 9:13:04 GMT
Patience people. All good things come to those who wait. ...but we all can see it may come too late (with apologies to Roger Hodgson and Rick Davies)
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Post by barumgas on Mar 9, 2020 9:23:46 GMT
I have just checked the official website and they have not sacked him yet. Why the delay?
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 9, 2020 9:57:07 GMT
There is some merit in wholesale changes. If BG is convinced that some players are not up to it and have no future at Rovers why pick them? Strange that probably some of those surplus players were once very instrumental in getting this club to 4th in the Division...... I think the point is we know we can’t afford them next year so may as well get shot ASAP and give our youngsters and loanees a go
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Post by pirate on Mar 9, 2020 11:37:02 GMT
Garner:
"To be judged as a manager, great advice I was given by a really experienced manager is you’re judged on what the condition of the club is when you leave.
For me, if I left this football club tomorrow the infrastructure put in place will put this club in a stronger position moving forwards."
WTF!?
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 9, 2020 11:57:13 GMT
He is delusional believes he is a genius. Who massages this ego he has?
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Post by baggins on Mar 9, 2020 12:01:42 GMT
Garner: "To be judged as a manager, great advice I was given by a really experienced manager is you’re judged on what the condition of the club is when you leave. For me, if I left this football club tomorrow the infrastructure put in place will put this club in a stronger position moving forwards." WTF!? The bloke's a nutter.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Mar 9, 2020 12:02:08 GMT
What ever anyone thinks by the sound of that interview he is very confident he will be here Pre season? Weather we like it or not
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 9, 2020 12:06:49 GMT
He did say he needed to make it to pre season.
I’m wondering the same to be honest. I don’t think I’m going tomorrow night. That’ll be only the 2nd game I’ve missed in about 4 years
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Post by gasheadliam on Mar 9, 2020 12:08:49 GMT
Garner: "To be judged as a manager, great advice I was given by a really experienced manager is you’re judged on what the condition of the club is when you leave. For me, if I left this football club tomorrow the infrastructure put in place will put this club in a stronger position moving forwards." WTF!? Fits perfect into Waels “miniature Chelsea” pipe dream.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 12:15:37 GMT
Yes, sounds from today's interview that we've got BG for the long term, Mansell, Hargreaves and Maher as part of the backroom staff are being assessed between now and end of season for buy-in as he looks to new appointment(s) in summer.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 9, 2020 12:19:40 GMT
Patience people. All good things come to those who wait. I don’t disagree Dr Gas, but, after 55 years, it’s a long time coming. And I love your optimism, typical gashead! 😉 UTG!
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Mar 9, 2020 12:26:14 GMT
He did say he needed to make it to pre season.I’m wondering the same to be honest. I don’t think I’m going tomorrow night. That’ll be only the 2nd game I’ve missed in about 4 years He's surely saying that to buy himself more time. Any other club would have sacked him at 16.50 on Saturday regardless of the so called long term project. Whatever the plan, that group of players should still have enough in them to pick up points in certain games and they just aren't. Losing week in, week out against some very poor teams is an embarrassment and leaves me with no optimism whatsoever that it will be any different after a pre-season with him in charge.
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