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Post by stevek192 on Mar 8, 2020 0:27:00 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have
a) defenders who can't defend.
b) Attackers who rarely score.
c) A totally non existent midfield.
d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Mar 8, 2020 0:29:36 GMT
Accurate review as usual Stave
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Mar 8, 2020 0:31:35 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have a) defenders who can't defend. b) Attackers who rarely score. c) A totally non existent midfield. d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner goes well with the training ground they can't use and a new stadium they can't build
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 8, 2020 9:34:56 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have a) defenders who can't defend. b) Attackers who rarely score. c) A totally non existent midfield. d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner Anything on the manager?
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Post by denis on Mar 8, 2020 9:43:41 GMT
No defence! No midfield! No attack! No passion! No direction! No hope!
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 8, 2020 10:00:36 GMT
My only say on the Manager is to get back to the basics of exciting football and pick a team set up to get as many players forward as possible. A front two to start with and then players compressing play in the opponents half rather than everything being based on midfielders being played just in front of a stay put back three and no organisation whatsoever. I would go as far as to say that our present football is worse than that being produced when we were relegated to the Conference.Football as far as I am concerned is about imposing yourselves on the opposition. We allow the opposition (whatever the quality) to impose themselves on us and yesterday Southend were there for the taking and we didn't turn up. It reminds me very much of the player power when Dave Penny was in charge. At that time the Board backed the players and I still maintain that they should have backed the Manager. The problem now is that the Manger continues to select players who are letting him down game after game.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2020 10:08:04 GMT
If we consistently get the basics wrong on the pitch, there's only one way this will end.
a) Relegation at some point. b) Manager getting the bullet.
Incase of any confusion, b) can negate a).
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2020 10:17:43 GMT
It reminds me very much of the player power when Dave Penny was in charge. At that time the Board backed the players and I still maintain that they should have backed the Manager. Yes, very much like Dave Penny situation. I met him in his tenure, and found him ok. I do think BG has lost the majority of the dressing room in this period. I don't side arbitratory with a manager or player power. Each scenario has it's own dynamic. It's difficult to draw anything from this, but my instincts would be to side with player power over BG because we were doing sort of ok before BG. No journeyman players, no allowing ourselves to be bullied on pitch, players playing with heart and pride. The change is BG. I have no itk, but I feel BG football philosophy and management approach isn't conducive to us at this time.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 8, 2020 10:25:18 GMT
Can't argue with that steve. It was total crap from start to finish. We only scored because of total ineptitude by a Southend defender.
Yet again, we had no directors at the game to represent us. What the hell is Starnes here for? Presumably he was at Plymouth?
This club has become a basket case, being led by people with no idea how a football club operates. It seems more important to our owners to get rid of board members that don't agree with them, rather than worry about the team and it's performances. Cue 1981 coming on to defend the indefensible.
As for Garner being 'a nice chap', to hell with that. He is totally inept. He tells us he wants us to play far more football than the previous long ball game, and yet against Shrewsbury, we played 101 long balls forward, ( not my stats).
Suffice to say, if this set up remains, we may get away with it this season, but we sure as hell will go down next season. And I repeat, if the budget cut that I mentioned recently comes to pass, we will have a team with an average age of about 19-20 next season, and a chance of visiting Salford and the like the following year.
It was embarrassing yesterday to hear Southend (yes Southend) fans taking the water out of our fans. They are already gone for Christ sake. And where are our current board of directors(or what remains of it) ?
We were represented yesterday by Karim and Widdrington. Presumably even TG had better things to do than go to Southend. Albeit none of them are directors.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2020 11:30:32 GMT
The club were represented by the folk that really do care.
The paying travelling fans. And we represented our club impeccably.
That's more important than directors that weren't even thinking of Rovers a decade ago, probably won't be here in a decade's time. The prawn sandwich brigade that don't pay into the club......you think Starnesy pays anything on any matchday?!
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 8, 2020 11:38:49 GMT
As I see it we are in a very difficult situation. In fact up to our waists in poo! We have a manager who wants to play a certain way which he says is attractive football but I just can't see that playing with 1 up front is ever going to create entertaining football hence IMO a great minus sign against him. If he had changed to a high pressure game built from the front back then I could see we were going somewhere that might be good. Instead we are playing a system now that a lot of Premier League team use but the difference is they are full of QUALITY in midfield whereas we have IMO the worst midfield in the entire football league. He has changed us from a team that had limited outlets up front, a reliable defence and a pretty useless midfield that just functioned but all did a job that was asked to a system that shows up all the problems we have always had in midfield but also relies on the defenders being able to do what they never could do before and three central defenders who could take care of most that was thrown at them now look like rabbits in headlights. Our attack don't create half as much as was created under GC let alone DC and unlike many I have not yet written off the actual possibility that Tranmere will reach us as after two wins away from home their confidence will be high. There is a distinct possibility that they could win three games and we lose our next three and suddenly what before yesterday looked a stunning 16 point gap is suddenly 4 points with a game in hand. It is that close even though I hope unlikely. What can we do now? I personally feel we have to stick with it this season now because any new man coming in will only have the same players to deal with and there is no guarantee that to try to go back to how we were playing under GC is either possible or would be effective. The mistake has been made and what could have been a relatively easier task of getting a few better players than we had in and just a slight change to the way we played ie we needed a striker that could score goals to partner JCH, a creative midfielder to replace Ollie Clarke and at least one winger. A good striker would have cost money but surely it would have been worth say getting Pitman in to partner JCH and get a central midfielder than make seven signings most of which on evidence so far are not a great deal better than what we had! The coming weeks will either see the poo rise up to our necks or go down to our knees. If there are no signs that we are moving in the right direction at seasons end then the Manager must be sacked then and somebody else brought in for the rebuilding job and IMO that will involve getting rid of most players that are out of contract and replacing with a good mixture of young and experienced. I have no confidence that our owners have any idea how to turn things around and each bad result is making things that little bit worse. Somewhere we have to find six more points this season- it sounds easy but it has taken us over 2 months to get 7 points so buckle up for the ride! UTG
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 8, 2020 11:40:46 GMT
Anyone ITK on mood in dressing room and what’s being said there? Job 1 of any manager of any team is to quickly and deeply understand and work with the group of individuals you have at your disposal. He’s clearly not doing that based on his post match interviews. I do wonder if his period of absence was key to his undoing as I could well imagine mob rule set in then in his absence, and he will never recover from that without changing the team. Worked well for Buckle I seem to recall . . . But don’t really have any sense of dressing room dynamics in the way it was obvious then
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 8, 2020 11:59:26 GMT
My only say on the Manager is to get back to the basics of exciting football and pick a team set up to get as many players forward as possible. A front two to start with and then players compressing play in the opponents half rather than everything being based on midfielders being played just in front of a stay put back three and no organisation whatsoever. I would go as far as to say that our present football is worse than that being produced when we were relegated to the Conference.Football as far as I am concerned is about imposing yourselves on the opposition. We allow the opposition (whatever the quality) to impose themselves on us and yesterday Southend were there for the taking and we didn't turn up. It reminds me very much of the player power when Dave Penny was in charge. At that time the Board backed the players and I still maintain that they should have backed the Manager. The problem now is that the Manger continues to select players who are letting him down game after game. At least Dave Penny was an established manager at the time, although didn't achieve anything after he left us, if the owner backs Garner there's zero evidence he can improve thing next season with a completely new squad which isn't going to be cheap to put together if we have to replace the likes of Craig, Clarke & Upson etc. In fact who do you keep as Kilgore is playing just as poorly as most of the other most established players.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 8, 2020 15:26:31 GMT
Topper Gas, I sort of agree with you that there are no signs that he will improve us next season and agree that it won't be cheap but am sure that it will be cheap because the experienced players will be replaced by cheap young players who supposedly BG can make better. Personally I would be looking to release Ollie Clarke, Ogogo, Craig,THD, Rodman, Reilly, Nichols,Russe, Hargreaves, Kelly and Leahy. I am sure JCH will leave but we will probably be left with Little and Bennett. I would keep Kilgour, Hare, Mayenaise, Davies, Harries, Barratt,Anssi, Upson (possibly) and Daly. My problem is I have no confidence whatsoever that Wael will provide a budget to replace with any experience whatsoever. It will be mainly untried youngsters and loans and inevitable relegation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 15:31:20 GMT
Can't argue with that steve. It was total crap from start to finish. We only scored because of total ineptitude by a Southend defender. Yet again, we had no directors at the game to represent us. What the hell is Starnes here for? Presumably he was at Plymouth? This club has become a basket case, being led by people with no idea how a football club operates. It seems more important to our owners to get rid of board members that don't agree with them, rather than worry about the team and it's performances. Cue 1981 coming on to defend the indefensible. As for Garner being 'a nice chap', to hell with that. He is totally inept. He tells us he wants us to play far more football than the previous long ball game, and yet against Shrewsbury, we played 101 long balls forward, ( not my stats). Suffice to say, if this set up remains, we may get away with it this season, but we sure as hell will go down next season. And I repeat, if the budget cut that I mentioned recently comes to pass, we will have a team with an average age of about 19-20 next season, and a chance of visiting Salford and the like the following year. It was embarrassing yesterday to hear Southend (yes Southend) fans taking the water out of our fans. They are already gone for Christ sake. And where are our current board of directors(or what remains of it) ? We were represented yesterday by Karim and Widdrington. Presumably even TG had better things to do than go to Southend. Albeit none of them are directors. Excuse my ignorance - who is Karim?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 8, 2020 15:38:08 GMT
Isn't releasing all the experienced pros just what Buckle did after our relegation, I can't recall that being a success.
As far as next season's playing budget we s concerned, we've no idea what's going to happen on that front, the "we've got no money" is something Gasincider keeps posting but, if anything, our playing budget went up in January when he claimed 4 senior pros were leaving.
Although if we do cut the playing budget perhaps we'll survive a bit longer as we can't keep losing £2m/£3m a season w/o becoming the next Bury or Macclesfield etc.
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Post by Rod1883 on Mar 8, 2020 15:40:11 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have a) defenders who can't defend.b) Attackers who rarely score. c) A totally non existent midfield. d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner We have/had two young defenders in Kilgour and Menayese who - under the coaching of GC and the on field mentoring of Tony Craig - were the next great thing for us. Now, under the non coaching and awful tactics of BG they are a shadow. Alfie's confidence is being destroyed at right back.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Mar 8, 2020 15:59:19 GMT
Thanks for the report Steve. I'm sorry for the fans that had to witness that embarrassment. Can things get much worse?
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 8, 2020 16:05:37 GMT
Cant see Kilgour being to happy about it either The guy was going great guns and looked like the clubs next windfall after jch. Yet another masterclass in mismamangement on both these players.
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Post by adrian301 on Mar 8, 2020 16:13:51 GMT
My only say on the Manager is to get back to the basics of exciting football and pick a team set up to get as many players forward as possible. A front two to start with and then players compressing play in the opponents half rather than everything being based on midfielders being played just in front of a stay put back three and no organisation whatsoever. I would go as far as to say that our present football is worse than that being produced when we were relegated to the Conference.Football as far as I am concerned is about imposing yourselves on the opposition. We allow the opposition (whatever the quality) to impose themselves on us and yesterday Southend were there for the taking and we didn't turn up. It reminds me very much of the player power when Dave Penny was in charge. At that time the Board backed the players and I still maintain that they should have backed the Manager. The problem now is that the Manger continues to select players who are letting him down game after game.His dilemma. Play kids, get hammered . Play regulars, still get beat. His remit is clear. Get through the season. Remove the high earners. Get younger, cheaper (hungrier?) players in and coach them into an effective team. The financial losses are unsustainable and a new model is needed, to stop us going bust. This is the future, i'm afraid.
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