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Post by bluebiro on Mar 8, 2020 16:22:53 GMT
Didn't need a new model. If we carried onto the winning path the championship beckoned with financial game. Bigger cup gates higher attendance revenue. Bigger tv money. More attractive to better players and even the young generation of bristol may have shown a interest in us.done right we would have been ok bouncing between the two divisions
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Post by adrian301 on Mar 8, 2020 16:30:13 GMT
My only say on the Manager is to get back to the basics of exciting football and pick a team set up to get as many players forward as possible. A front two to start with and then players compressing play in the opponents half rather than everything being based on midfielders being played just in front of a stay put back three and no organisation whatsoever. I would go as far as to say that our present football is worse than that being produced when we were relegated to the Conference.Football as far as I am concerned is about imposing yourselves on the opposition. We allow the opposition (whatever the quality) to impose themselves on us and yesterday Southend were there for the taking and we didn't turn up. It reminds me very much of the player power when Dave Penny was in charge. At that time the Board backed the players and I still maintain that they should have backed the Manager. The problem now is that the Manger continues to select players who are letting him down game after game. Appointing Dave Penny, in my opinion, was to regain control of the dressing room. If the board was backing the players, surely they would have appointed Stuart Campbell? Who it was perceived already had control of it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 8, 2020 16:51:28 GMT
My only say on the Manager is to get back to the basics of exciting football and pick a team set up to get as many players forward as possible. A front two to start with and then players compressing play in the opponents half rather than everything being based on midfielders being played just in front of a stay put back three and no organisation whatsoever. I would go as far as to say that our present football is worse than that being produced when we were relegated to the Conference.Football as far as I am concerned is about imposing yourselves on the opposition. We allow the opposition (whatever the quality) to impose themselves on us and yesterday Southend were there for the taking and we didn't turn up. It reminds me very much of the player power when Dave Penny was in charge. At that time the Board backed the players and I still maintain that they should have backed the Manager. The problem now is that the Manger continues to select players who are letting him down game after game. Appointing Dave Penny, in my opinion, was to regain control of the dressing room. If the board was backing the players, surely they would have appointed Stuart Campbell? Who it was perceived already had control of it. But Campbell won in the end as he was appointed manager when Penny departed? Although is it really player power this time or simply that BG is totally out of his depth/players confidence is shot, as performances had picked up until Ogogo got his needless red at Sunderland, since then we seem to have totally collapse following his sending off, losing 3-0, 1-0, 3-1. As far as selecting players we've zero alternative options in defence and midfield? I can't see Chubby Barrett offering us anything better, given he was part of the team beaten 5-2 by Southend's DS side! Which is another concern as if GC's former players aren't trying what's BG's signings excuse for being no better?
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Post by socrates on Mar 8, 2020 16:59:42 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have a) defenders who can't defend. b) Attackers who rarely score. c) A totally non existent midfield. d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner I think we do have the first three but number 4 is getting in the way of any chance of the first three happening.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 8, 2020 17:24:52 GMT
My concern is that a significant number of our experienced players have drawn the conclusion that they are no longer part o the future at our club. The effect of this is what we see on the pitch and in my view will continue until the end of the season. This should be no surprise as why would anyone of us put in the effort etc if we know we are out the door in a few weeks. This is the result of pretty poor man management .
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Post by rovers69 on Mar 8, 2020 17:40:32 GMT
or it could be just being honest and their time is up-6 aleady lined up to come in-
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Post by degas on Mar 8, 2020 18:53:16 GMT
My concern is that a significant number of our experienced players have drawn the conclusion that they are no longer part o the future at our club. The effect of this is what we see on the pitch and in my view will continue until the end of the season. This should be no surprise as why would anyone of us put in the effort etc if we know we are out the door in a few weeks. This is the result of pretty poor man management . I think this sums up where we are pretty well. With BG stating yesterday that there were "guarantees given by the players this week regarding the effort they would put into the rest of the season" its obvious that some of the (possibly older/experienced) players are not happy and that the club feels that this is showing in a lack of effort on the pitch. We have seen this happen at other clubs at a higher level than ours and it shows a level of naivety from the management that the players have come the the conclusion that some of them will not have a long term future at the club and have effectively downed tools. With the benefit of hindsight this type of appointment should have been done much later in the season to prevent the type of collapse we are enduring as fans. If BG stays through to the end of this season and starts next season as the manager the changes to the team will need to be swift, decisive and show huge improvements on what we are currently seeing.
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Post by Rod1883 on Mar 8, 2020 18:57:05 GMT
or it could be just being honest and their time is up-6 aleady lined up to come in- I haven't quite decided - are you BG himself, BG's other half, or his mum, or just a s***head wum?
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Post by lpgas on Mar 8, 2020 19:11:08 GMT
My only say on the Manager is to get back to the basics of exciting football and pick a team set up to get as many players forward as possible. A front two to start with and then players compressing play in the opponents half rather than everything being based on midfielders being played just in front of a stay put back three and no organisation whatsoever. I would go as far as to say that our present football is worse than that being produced when we were relegated to the Conference.Football as far as I am concerned is about imposing yourselves on the opposition. We allow the opposition (whatever the quality) to impose themselves on us and yesterday Southend were there for the taking and we didn't turn up. It reminds me very much of the player power when Dave Penny was in charge. At that time the Board backed the players and I still maintain that they should have backed the Manager. The problem now is that the Manger continues to select players who are letting him down game after game.His dilemma. Play kids, get hammered . Play regulars, still get beat. His remit is clear. Get through the season. Remove the high earners. Get younger, cheaper (hungrier?) players in and coach them into an effective team. The financial losses are unsustainable and a new model is needed, to stop us going bust. This is the future, i'm afraid. This model will also bring lower gates, less sponsorship and generally less income. So it is yet another downward cycle that we are looking at. (Bury had a better ground too. All under cover which surely is a must in2020)
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Post by rovers69 on Mar 8, 2020 19:27:22 GMT
I haven't quite decided - are you BG himself, BG's other half, or his mum, or just a s***head wum?
If I was any of the first three I would not be wasting time on here reading the abuse being directed towards BG and eventually his family by so called supporters.
As for a S..T HEAD I think that probably lends more towards you.
For all the nice comments on here re GC and what a good manager he was people seem to forget the abuse given to his daughter by so called supporters ,and so it gose on but aimed at someone else
People and their familles have feelings but I guess its easy to give abuse if you hide behind the forum
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 8, 2020 20:09:00 GMT
or it could be just being honest and their time is up-6 aleady lined up to come in- Dont expect you to name your source but how do you know this? Have not seen it anywhere else?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 8, 2020 20:19:18 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have a) defenders who can't defend. b) Attackers who rarely score. c) A totally non existent midfield. d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner Why didn't you move seat, considering it was unreserved seating?
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Post by Rod1883 on Mar 8, 2020 20:29:38 GMT
I haven't quite decided - are you BG himself, BG's other half, or his mum, or just a s***head wum?If I was any of the first three I would not be wasting time on here reading the abuse being directed towards BG and eventually his family by so called supporters. As for a S..T HEAD I think that probably lends more towards you. For all the nice comments on here re GC and what a good manager he was people seem to forget the abuse given to his daughter by so called supporters ,and so it gose on but aimed at someone else People and their familles have feelings but I guess its easy to give abuse if you hide behind the forum Hmmmm - I have never given our manager(s) abuse. I don't think our current incumbent is any good as a manager - but I would never give him abuse. As for you - all you seem to do is comment on others criticism of BG's record , but never seem to have an opinion on our players, or other aspects of our club. That is why I don't think you are a true Gashead.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Mar 8, 2020 21:19:23 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have a) defenders who can't defend. b) Attackers who rarely score. c) A totally non existent midfield. d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner Based upon our lack of goal attempts the half season highlights dvd from BGs reign is going to concentrate on our best throw-ins. It was originally going to feature 20 of our best sideline restarts but having reviewed the footage they are going to just feature five examples.....they are hoping the team will be able to contribute two more in the remaining games to add to the three they already have safely in the video archives.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 8, 2020 21:21:25 GMT
I haven't quite decided - are you BG himself, BG's other half, or his mum, or just a s***head wum?If I was any of the first three I would not be wasting time on here reading the abuse being directed towards BG and eventually his family by so called supporters. As for a S..T HEAD I think that probably lends more towards you. For all the nice comments on here re GC and what a good manager he was people seem to forget the abuse given to his daughter by so called supporters ,and so it gose on but aimed at someone else People and their familles have feelings but I guess its easy to give abuse if you hide behind the forum Every club has its idiots, it was probably one individual who decided to target GC's daughter, assuming one did as it was swept under the carpet pretty quickly. Unless you are somehow connected to BG or somebody who employed him, I can't see how any Gashead can still support a manager who's brought us 1 win and seems to have totally lost the changing room even though we've still got over 10 games to get though. Plus the players he's signed on permanent deals Barret, Harries and Daly, so far, don't look any improvement on the existing players. To top it all he's still selecting the likes of OC and Leahy even though they are totally out of form, or have simply given up.
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Post by aghast on Mar 8, 2020 22:59:23 GMT
I haven't quite decided - are you BG himself, BG's other half, or his mum, or just a s***head wum?If I was any of the first three I would not be wasting time on here reading the abuse being directed towards BG and eventually his family by so called supporters. As for a S..T HEAD I think that probably lends more towards you. For all the nice comments on here re GC and what a good manager he was people seem to forget the abuse given to his daughter by so called supporters ,and so it gose on but aimed at someone else People and their familles have feelings but I guess its easy to give abuse if you hide behind the forum OMG Roady's back.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 9, 2020 9:16:23 GMT
No match report this week because it was almost as bad as last week and the view I had was behind the goal and the crossbar got in the way of nearly everything but answering my own question we have a) defenders who can't defend. b) Attackers who rarely score. c) A totally non existent midfield. d) No leadership whatsoever from the owner I think we do have the first three but number 4 is getting in the way of any chance of the first three happening. Yes. How long before the ground resounds to fans chanting ‘Wael Al Qadi get out of our club’ ? Probably never but would have happened at most other clubs long ago if they had such disinterested, atrocious, cowardly owners.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 9, 2020 10:06:55 GMT
or it could be just being honest and their time is up-6 aleady lined up to come in- It's simple man-management, though, isn't it? You don't say 'your time is up, and I expect you to give me 100% until the end of the season.' You say, 'You need to fight for your contract,' and then you get rid of them if you're not happy with what they've done. Maybe you should be up-front about your connection to the club and/or BG.
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 9, 2020 10:28:42 GMT
or it could be just being honest and their time is up-6 aleady lined up to come in- It's simple man-management, though, isn't it? You don't say 'your time is up, and I expect you to give me 100% until the end of the season.' You say, 'You need to fight for your contract,' and then you get rid of them if you're not happy with what they've done. Maybe you should be up-front about your connection to the club and/or BG. In theory I’d agree but I’d imagine all the well paid pro’s now realise the. ALQ’s have no appetite to pay unsustainable wages so It really wouldn’t matter what Garner says. As the club is £20,000,000 in debt and losing £65,000 a week, even the players can see they’re working for a company that can’t afford them. Like any other employee in that position you have two choices fight for your job or perform in such a way that other employers fancy paying you a similar wage. Or, have a massive sulk and just pick up your wages until the chop comes.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 9, 2020 10:32:25 GMT
It's simple man-management, though, isn't it? You don't say 'your time is up, and I expect you to give me 100% until the end of the season.' You say, 'You need to fight for your contract,' and then you get rid of them if you're not happy with what they've done. Maybe you should be up-front about your connection to the club and/or BG. In theory I’d agree but I’d imagine all the well paid pro’s now realise the. ALQ’s have no appetite to pay unsustainable wages so It really wouldn’t matter what Garner says. As the club is £20,000,000 in debt and losing £65,000 a week, even the players can see they’re working for a company that can’t afford them. Like any other employee in that position you have two choices fight for your job or perform in such a way that other employers fancy paying you a similar wage. Or, have a massive sulk and just up your wages until the chop comes. So why would they be sulking? Again, Occam's razor suggests that BG is a poor manager. Not sure why we keep getting all the convoluted theories about player psychology and other factors when everything can be explained quite simply by BG not being very good at his job.
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