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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 27, 2020 12:40:48 GMT
See Brighton and Arsenal have announced plans for a strictly measured return to training.They have loads of pitches and can limit a couple of players to each one. Made me think about our own situation.With our contract at our current base expiring at the end of May but the season perhaps going well beyond that,do we have any plans or indeed where will we be training next season? With the Colony another failed promise,not something which will entice players (who have a few offers), to join us.Ben is a very Hands On boss and he must be pressing for something of substance.
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 27, 2020 12:42:51 GMT
Ben is a very Hands On boss and he must be pressing for something of substance. I don't think his 12.5% win percentage really puts him in a position of power to press for anything other than the next three games.
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Post by CrispPusher on Apr 27, 2020 13:05:12 GMT
Ben is a very Hands On boss and he must be pressing for something of substance. I don't think his 12.5% win percentage really puts him in a position of power to press for anything other than the next three games. I imagine he's hoping the season is declared null and void for that very reason.
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Post by kruger on Apr 27, 2020 15:20:52 GMT
I thought there was news on ours then when I saw the title, oh well let's get back to depress mode.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 27, 2020 15:30:35 GMT
See Brighton and Arsenal have announced plans for a strictly measured return to training.They have loads of pitches and can limit a couple of players to each one. Made me think about our own situation.With our contract at our current base expiring at the end of May but the season perhaps going well beyond that,do we have any plans or indeed where will we be training next season? With the Colony another failed promise,not something which will entice players (who have a few offers), to join us.Ben is a very Hands On boss and he must be pressing for something of substance. With a bit of luck BG will quit then if he doesn't get his way!!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 28, 2020 7:31:56 GMT
I don't think his 12.5% win percentage really puts him in a position of power to press for anything other than the next three games. I imagine he's hoping the season is declared null and void for that very reason. I’m begging it’s not so he can get himself fired or proves his mettle before the next season starts and he begins ruining another season. Very concerned here, and haven’t been missing the football at all because of this. A few nice messages on social media change nothing.
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 28, 2020 14:20:49 GMT
I imagine he's hoping the season is declared null and void for that very reason. I’m begging it’s not so he can get himself fired or proves his mettle before the next season starts and he begins ruining another season. Very concerned here, and haven’t been missing the football at all because of this. A few nice messages on social media change nothing. Statistically the worst permanent appointment in our history, the only person this pandemic has offered more job security.
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Post by spiess1 on Apr 28, 2020 14:43:45 GMT
Ah statistics. Jason Roberts' first dozen games? Rickie Lambert's first dozen games? (Asking for a friend, who sees beyond statistics)
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 28, 2020 14:52:31 GMT
Ah statistics. Jason Roberts' first dozen games? Rickie Lambert's first dozen games? (Asking for a friend, who sees beyond statistics) They’re players. Can you quote me an example of a manager who has gone on to be a success after their first dozen and a half games? (Asking for a friend)
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Post by spiess1 on Apr 28, 2020 14:54:12 GMT
Lee Johnson, wherever he goes. Next question.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 28, 2020 14:57:47 GMT
Ah statistics. Jason Roberts' first dozen games? Rickie Lambert's first dozen games? (Asking for a friend, who sees beyond statistics) Comparing individual players to a manager records is hardly fair comparison, the only manager I can think of his Martin Dodson and he only lasted a dozen games: Martin Dobson P12 W1 D2 L9 Even Penney & Bater had decent records in comparison: Dave Penney P13 W2 D2 L9 Phil Bater (Caretaker) P14 W1 D6 L7
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 28, 2020 15:22:23 GMT
Crap Managers since 2000
Francis v2 W% 29.032 - PPG 1.194 Thompson W% 29.79 - PPG 1.11 Graydon W% 27.2 - PPG 1.086 Atkins W% 30.9 - PPG 1.309 Penney W% 15.38 - PPG 0.615 Buckle W% 27.586 - PPG 1.034 McGhee W% 26.7 - PPG 1.067 Ward v2 W% 34.78 - PPG 1.348 Garner W% 12.5 - PPG 0.688
Edit: Permanent appointments however Garry Thomson's figure has his 23 game spell as Caretaker including in his overall stats.
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Post by axegas on Apr 28, 2020 16:02:09 GMT
I saw enough at the home fixture against Sunderland to convince me that he can turn it around, it felt as if Garner had learnt from previous mistakes and adapted us slightly. I think Alex Rodman did an interview a little bit later stressing his frustration that the season had been postponed as he felt what they had been working hard on to completely change their style of play was just coming off.
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Post by gassince1957 on Apr 28, 2020 17:28:05 GMT
I saw enough at the home fixture against Sunderland to convince me that he can turn it around, it felt as if Garner had learnt from previous mistakes and adapted us slightly. I think Alex Rodman did an interview a little bit later stressing his frustration that the season had been postponed as he felt what they had been working hard on to completely change their style of play was just coming off. Completely agree - that game v Sunderland was like watching a different Rovers team.
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 29, 2020 9:33:43 GMT
Crap Managers since 2000 Francis v2 W% 29.032 - PPG 1.194 Thompson W% 29.79 - PPG 1.11 Graydon W% 27.2 - PPG 1.086 Atkins W% 30.9 - PPG 1.309 Penney W% 15.38 - PPG 0.615 Buckle W% 27.586 - PPG 1.034 McGhee W% 26.7 - PPG 1.067 Ward v2 W% 34.78 - PPG 1.348 Garner W% 12.5 - PPG 0.688 Edit: Permanent appointments however Garry Thomson's figure has his 23 game spell as Caretaker including in his overall stats. Does that include the games in the middle, when he wasn't even in charge?? He's certainly had a bad start, however we don't have the squad for his style of play. Next season is the time to judge him.
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 29, 2020 9:40:28 GMT
Ah statistics. Jason Roberts' first dozen games? Rickie Lambert's first dozen games? (Asking for a friend, who sees beyond statistics) Comparing individual players to a manager records is hardly fair comparison, the only manager I can think of his Martin Dodson and he only lasted a dozen games: Martin Dobson P12 W1 D2 L9 Even Penney & Bater had decent records in comparison: Dave Penney P13 W2 D2 L9 Phil Bater (Caretaker) P14 W1 D6 L7 Every situation is different. Everyone can see that we don't have the player's to play the style of football Garner wants. Plus he missed a lot of games in the middle of his spell and his home life situation was likely to have an effect on his performance before and after that. So it is similar to a player taking time to settle in. He might still be rubbish in the long run, but personally I don't judge him until next season, when we have a squad to play his style.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 29, 2020 9:42:23 GMT
They surely must have sorted a new training ground or extended the contact on the existing one. Surely.
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 29, 2020 9:43:34 GMT
Ah statistics. Jason Roberts' first dozen games? Rickie Lambert's first dozen games? (Asking for a friend, who sees beyond statistics) They’re players. Can you quote me an example of a manager who has gone on to be a success after their first dozen and a half games? (Asking for a friend) Most are not giving the time that's why. If we were not so high when he took over, he would have been sacked already. If we could have got a refund on Lambert and Roberts, we probally would have done at the time 😂. But player's get the time to settle in and adjust. Not saying he will turn it around, nobody knows if he will.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 29, 2020 9:52:37 GMT
Everyone can see that we don't have the player's to play the style of football Garner wants. To be fair, a manager shouldn't be trying to play in a way that it's obvious his players aren't capable of.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 29, 2020 10:11:59 GMT
Everyone can see that we don't have the player's to play the style of football Garner wants. To be fair, a manager shouldn't be trying to play in a way that it's obvious his players aren't capable of. But they proved for TC's 600th game v Sunderland they could, or at least perform to a style which won games, compare that to the previous game at Southend and you really have to wonder what BG does in training.
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