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Post by barumgas on Aug 27, 2020 10:01:13 GMT
Nah. We didn't get our pants pulled down at all. Its not that he left on the last day of the transfer period or the day before the season starts. He didnt want to stay, so thanks for what he did for us and lets move on to welcoming his replacement which I am sure the club have in mind
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 10:13:11 GMT
It feels like the old debate about whether it’s better to have games in hand or points in the bag to me. Without at least one other striker with league experience on our books I would wonder why we didn’t hold him to his contract seeing as we are debt free. We’ve put ourselves in a pretty desperate position now, albeit with some money, although other clubs will see us coming and be desperate to sell us their Nichols and Payne’s.
I would hope that we knew about this bid from a long while off and we have been planning around it. Although getting in Ayunga to complement Daly suggests that Peterborough’s interest is a last minute thing and the money was too good to turn down. Maybe we will look back at the end of the season and it will look a far better outcome than it does right now....
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Post by Squiffy on Aug 27, 2020 11:02:48 GMT
I wouldn’t say no to 1.25 million, but I’m pretty sure I don’t need the add-on. 😉
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Post by rambo on Aug 27, 2020 11:14:41 GMT
We are absolutely shocking at negotiating price to sell our players. We literally give them away. Watch Peterborough sell Toney for 5m plus. Toney is a) streets ahead of JCH, b) will be sold to a club with far more cash and play at a higher level and c) probably not in his last year of his contract (although i'm not sure about this) Ridiculous comparison
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Post by lpgas1 on Aug 27, 2020 12:15:08 GMT
If the reported transfer fee is correct, I think we have got a good deal. With less than a year left on his contact and with him clearly looking for a move, if he's going to Peterborough,I would have accepted anything around £1 million. Could have lost him for nothing and had him sulking for the next season. Would blame JCH not the club this time. Clearly wanted a move. If he moved on to a championship club I would have wished him well, now I'm not so sure. Only hope he does well if we have a decent sell on clause! His family live near Rotherham. I think he only came to us because he knew Coughlin, and Coughlin persuaded him.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 27, 2020 14:26:49 GMT
It feels like the old debate about whether it’s better to have games in hand or points in the bag to me. Without at least one other striker with league experience on our books I would wonder why we didn’t hold him to his contract seeing as we are debt free. We’ve put ourselves in a pretty desperate position now, albeit with some money, although other clubs will see us coming and be desperate to sell us their Nichols and Payne’s. I would hope that we knew about this bid from a long while off and we have been planning around it. Although getting in Ayunga to complement Daly suggests that Peterborough’s interest is a last minute thing and the money was too good to turn down. Maybe we will look back at the end of the season and it will look a far better outcome than it does right now.... Relying on a striker who may well not want to be here could have a much worse effect on the team than getting £1.25m for him.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 27, 2020 15:46:22 GMT
We are absolutely shocking at negotiating price to sell our players. We literally give them away. Watch Peterborough sell Toney for 5m plus. Toney is a) streets ahead of JCH, b) will be sold to a club with far more cash and play at a higher level and c) probably not in his last year of his contract (although i'm not sure about this) Ridiculous comparison Not at all. Even bigger clubs, if they have money which Peterborough are going to get selling Toney will then be expected to spend big themselves to get a player...we have accepted waht was probably first offer on the table when we could have held out.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 27, 2020 16:34:03 GMT
We got a good deal for Rickie Lambert; he signed a contract that allowed us to get a fee (plus add ons). Honest Pro
I disagree. We got £1m for a player went on to play for England. True. But we also sold an overweight Lambert to a club (albeit much bigger one) in the same league as us. Not a single person anywhere suspected he would end up playing for England, whilst playing his trade at Anfield, scoring goals for England & then going to a World Cup.
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Post by madgas on Aug 27, 2020 16:47:25 GMT
A lot of people are married to the comments that @dmac said he was worth 2m.
But that was with 18 months of his contract left and pre covid. Ultimately, there are less buyers because of the cap.
I'd say it's in the ballpark of fair. I cant get over excited either way.
Ultimately, if we replace him with a 250k Rickie Lambert or a 350k Tom Nicholls will be interesting to me.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Aug 27, 2020 17:20:24 GMT
Not sure we can do much when a player refuses to sign a new contract? The other option is offer every new signing a 3+ years contract but then we get stuck with the likes of Bennett and Nichols. I agree with the sentiment, but when did we last get a good deal when selling our best players? Cureton Lambert Hoskins Taylor Bodin Harrison Lockyer JCH And there’s plenty more.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Aug 27, 2020 17:27:31 GMT
Not sure we can do much when a player refuses to sign a new contract? The other option is offer every new signing a 3+ years contract but then we get stuck with the likes of Bennett and Nichols. I agree with the sentiment, but when did we last get a good deal when selling our best players? Cureton Lambert Hoskins Taylor Bodin Harrison Lockyer JCH And there’s plenty more. Agree totally with the sell price for those players and to think we were getting 2million for Robert's, Hayles and Ellington 20 years ago it does seem silly to see those great talented players go for Penny's in today's market but in general we have done very well with JCH interms of goals and now sell on profit because let's face it we could/would have been sent back to league 2 without him. Personally I don't think he would have stayed fit again next season and I have questioned if he would fit into BG style of play but I camt question his goal return for us and he will be missed I'm sure but we move on.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2020 17:45:09 GMT
Not sure we can do much when a player refuses to sign a new contract? The other option is offer every new signing a 3+ years contract but then we get stuck with the likes of Bennett and Nichols. I agree with the sentiment, but when did we last get a good deal when selling our best players? Cureton Lambert Hoskins Taylor Bodin Harrison Lockyer JCH And there’s plenty more. So how would you have kept any of them if you'd been our owners? What if we'd given JCH a 3 or 4 years contract and he turned out to be Payne Mk2? Lockyer now looks a bit of crafty git given what's happened this summer, if a player decides he's going to run his contract down I'm not sure what a club can do, even P'boro lost Maddison on a free.
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Post by yaz on Aug 27, 2020 17:49:07 GMT
I think we need to get better and wiser with the agents we deal with who represent the players coming to us. If they want any future business with us. If we use you and you do not play fair with us, don't expect to come knocking here again. Playing fair does not have to be written in words; it can be made clear verbally. How Much involvement does the agent have in agreeing the transfer fee? He must be involved to some extent as part of the transfer fee goes to the player / agent?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 27, 2020 18:00:05 GMT
it will depend on how quickly and successful we sign an adequate replacement
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Post by Gas-Ed on Aug 27, 2020 18:10:04 GMT
I agree with the sentiment, but when did we last get a good deal when selling our best players? Cureton Lambert Hoskins Taylor Bodin Harrison Lockyer JCH And there’s plenty more. So how would you have kept any of them if you'd been our owners? What if we'd given JCH a 3 or 4 years contract and he turned out to be Payne Mk2? Lockyer now looks a bit of crafty git given what's happened this summer, if a player decides he's going to run his contract down I'm not sure what a club can do, even P'boro lost Maddison on a free. At the time of selling/giving away the players mentioned, we could do nothing about it. However, we need to be smarter in avoiding situations where we are forced into watering our best talents against the wall. I don’t have the answers and I’m certainly no business man but it seems to me that we have a knack of losing our talent on the cheap.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 27, 2020 18:31:32 GMT
We need to sign good players on long contracts. And when we sign a sh** player we need to make sure it's on a short contract. (This should probably involve asking the player (or his agent) whether he's good or sh**.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 27, 2020 19:33:36 GMT
We probably need to be a bit more clever with options. That way the Stefan Payne’s, the Tom Nichols and the Kyle Bennett’s can be moved on quicker, and the Billy Bodins, Matty Taylor’s and the JCHs can be retained for longer.
It’s the only way I see it because we’re not happy with getting done over on the latter examples and we’re not happy we’re stuck with the former but the difference in contract length isn’t always that different.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 27, 2020 20:04:07 GMT
I don’t think our pants have been pulled down but neither do I think it’s a tremendous deal considering the money Peterborough are just about to get for Toney. At the end of the day though he only had one deal left on his contract and £1.25 million would be far more valuable to us than an unhappy JCH who can effectively run his contract down and go for nothing. In the situation we were in I think it was the best deal we could get. Toney is a different player and has scored goals wherever he’s been. JCH has been great for us but pretty average wherever else he’s been. And just because McAnthony says £5m for Toney it doesn’t mean it is and so far Toney moving is only a strong rumour. Brentford are rumoured but it seems Toney May be holding out for the PL or just a bigger club. Yes it’s annoying but I think it’s as good as we could expect. I can just imagine the meltdown on here in January when we would have got £250k for a player about to enter the last few months of his contract or even in May when he had run down his contract and went for nothing. I presume we learnt from Lockyer's running down of his contract. Not perfect but.... UTG!
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Post by barumgas on Aug 27, 2020 20:08:39 GMT
We need to sign good players on long contracts. And when we sign a sh** player we need to make sure it's on a short contract. (This should probably involve asking the player (or his agent) whether he's good or sh**. l like your thinking. Are you TW?
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 27, 2020 20:09:36 GMT
We need to sign good players on long contracts. And when we sign a sh** player we need to make sure it's on a short contract. (This should probably involve asking the player (or his agent) whether he's good or sh**. Excellent idea AF, after all agents are such honest, upstanding fellows. What could go wrong with that policy? Get yourself down to the Mem. 😀 UTG!
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