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Post by joebananas67 on Sept 6, 2020 8:57:41 GMT
First post for a while
Two points to start with
1. Did anyone expect us to win yesterday
2. Was that the likely starting line up next week - I doubt it
If we think it’s bad I wonder after an expected defeat how Norwich, Birmingham, Swansea, Peterborough, Sunderland and Cardiff fans are feeling
That’s relegation from the championship and L1 already sorted
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 6, 2020 9:12:13 GMT
I get your point but to put up no fight and have no striker in the pitch?
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Post by rusho'gas on Sept 6, 2020 9:17:33 GMT
I expected a result. What I didn't expect was the manager to report a completely different game to the one I watched.
I can accept the defeat, it's early days yet with a new team and new ideology.
Don't care about Norwich, Birmingham, Swansea, Peterborough, Sunderland and Cardiff, couldn't care less about their fans.
I am still on the fence with Garner, his interviews are compelling but his results are bordering on car crash territory, as contradictory as that appears.
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Post by amgas on Sept 6, 2020 9:21:33 GMT
I think the OP is spot on - when we saw the draw and the fixtures for the start of the league season we all thought we would be lucky to get much out of it. Problem is a poor start results in lack of confidence. No need for melt down yet, lets hope we can beat DC in the week ......
I think it is incorrect to say we put up no fight, the goal just before half time probably meant we were finished, and once you start chasing a game from 2 down you are always likely to conceed a third.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 6, 2020 9:43:19 GMT
I expected a result. What I didn't expect was the manager to report a completely different game to the one I watched. I can accept the defeat, it's early days yet with a new team and new ideology. Don't care about Norwich, Birmingham, Swansea, Peterborough, Sunderland and Cardiff, couldn't care less about their fans. I am still on the fence with Garner, his interviews are compelling but his results are bordering on car crash territory, as contradictory as that appears. That’s one of the things that used to annoy the hell out of me about Mogadon Trollope. He used to drone on and on whilst describing a totally different game to that I’d just watched. I still recall phrases such as “We played better without the ball” and “We showed good energy” With a shudder. |
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Post by Gas-Ed on Sept 6, 2020 9:51:21 GMT
Garner’s win ratio is all the perspective I need to be perfectly honest. Until the results turn around on the pitch, some neat passing in non-threatening positions isn’t going to convince me that he is the man to take us forward or even keep us in this division.
If our form over the last 20 games continues we will be down by Christmas.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 6, 2020 9:52:02 GMT
I can always accept a defeat away and especially to a club like Ipswich.
But like you guys have already said was BG watching a different game to us.
He also got me worried in the fact that IMO that was our strongest back 3...
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Post by Langford Gas on Sept 6, 2020 9:52:05 GMT
I didn't expect a result but i did expect a performance, given that our recruitment was mostly done early doors i was hoping that the players would be up to speed with BG's ideology. Whilst there were some signs of a fluid style of football it was laboured and needs to be quick and snappy, hopefully that will come in time as their confidence grows.
Clearly we need someone to lead the line ,if that doesn't happen or they get it wrong I think we will be in for a long frustrating slog of a season.
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 6, 2020 9:52:27 GMT
First post for a while Two points to start with 1. Did anyone expect us to win yesterday 2. Was that the likely starting line up next week - I doubt it If we think it’s bad I wonder after an expected defeat how Norwich, Birmingham, Swansea, Peterborough, Sunderland and Cardiff fans are feeling That’s relegation from the championship and L1 already sorted 1. Yes I actually expected us to get a result. Ipswich had their best player out. Top goalscorers from last season out and hadn't had a great preseason. Their fans were not confident going into the game. We made the majority of our new signings early doors for a change so the settling in excuse is not viable. 2. Yes imo that was our strongest starting line up with what we had available yesterday and the team I would have expected if it was our first league game and not the cup. No excuses. No perspective needed. It was Extremely poor. Perspective if it was a new managers first game but he's had 20 plus games now and must have the worst win rate in the football league? I do however agree he needs to be given 10 games with this side and if the results havnt improved then it's goodbye. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 9:53:27 GMT
First post for a while Two points to start with 1. Did anyone expect us to win yesterday 2. Was that the likely starting line up next week - I doubt it If we think it’s bad I wonder after an expected defeat how Norwich, Birmingham, Swansea, Peterborough, Sunderland and Cardiff fans are feeling That’s relegation from the championship and L1 already sorted We're you aware Ipsh*t had a stinker last week friendly, then their star midfielder slaps in a transfer request? They've hardly had the idyllic start pre season. Also, I've visited Portman Road 3 times and every time we've performed as well as them, we really have taken it to them, even Smithy scorcher in same competition (6/7/8 years ago?). But the score hasn't always reflected that. Your point 2 negates point 1 because with that line up, a win was always going to be difficult without a recognised striker on the pitch. Mick Mills could see this after 45 mins. Most Gas could see it an hour before. This begs the question, why select the starting line up in the first place? |
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 6, 2020 9:57:03 GMT
Remember we beat them last season, and they havent rolled the boat out with new signings so far, but they were streets ahead of us, and given we had most of our signings in early well they should have played better, end of
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2020 10:15:54 GMT
"Was that the likely starting line up next week - I doubt it"
Why is it doubted that looked our strongest line up apart from JVS, who was probably our MotM!, the only change could be a new No 9 if we manage to sign on before next Saturday.
It was a typical BG performance, and DC's before he left, we looked OK until Ipswich scored then we just gave up and never really looked like scoring. Whilst a defeat was always likely I sense most of us expected we'd give Ipswich a decent game. If we can't put some effort in at 1 or 2-0 this early in the season what's it going to be like in a couple of months time.
It's meaningless comparing us to other clubs the fact is since BG took over in January we've gone from play off form to relegation form which I doubt other clubs have had to suffer, we looked like early candidates for relegation again yesterday. There's no real evidence BG as any idea how to manage a football club at this level.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 6, 2020 10:25:24 GMT
As last season. If the guy is again treating the first ten games as a training exercise to make it click then what is the point of fans paying top dollar to watch it?he had his signings in early been training them and still cant compete against a team in freefall.shameful that the guy could still be in charge in Nov with a single digit win ratio
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 6, 2020 10:26:41 GMT
"Was that the likely starting line up next week - I doubt it" Why is it doubted that looked our strongest line up apart from JVS, who was probably our MotM!, the only change could be a new No 9 if we manage to sign on before next Saturday. It was a typical BG performance, and DC's before he left, we looked OK until Ipswich scored then we just gave up and never really looked like scoring. Whilst a defeat was always likely I sense most of us expected we'd give Ipswich a decent game. If we can't put some effort in at 1 or 2-0 this early in the season what's it going to be like in a couple of months time. It's meaningless comparing us to other clubs the fact is since BG took over in January we've gone from play off form to relegation form which I doubt other clubs have had to suffer, we looked like early candidates for relegation again yesterday. There's no real evidence BG as any idea how to manage a football club at this level. Man of the match??? Can only recall him making one half decent save, that most keepers would have saved. If Annsi was in goal,I don't think we would have conceded the first and while a games 0 0 anything can happen. The defence confidence looked shot after the first goal and they had to sit deeper as they had no confidence in the keeper. Plus he nearly gave away a 4th when he passed it to their player and Grant had to take one for the team. Can't see how anyone can say he was Man of the match. We will hopefully have a number 9 soon, if not Daly could start in that position until then, once he's fit. |
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Post by Marshy on Sept 6, 2020 10:33:56 GMT
"Was that the likely starting line up next week - I doubt it" Why is it doubted that looked our strongest line up apart from JVS, who was probably our MotM!, the only change could be a new No 9 if we manage to sign on before next Saturday. It was a typical BG performance, and DC's before he left, we looked OK until Ipswich scored then we just gave up and never really looked like scoring. Whilst a defeat was always likely I sense most of us expected we'd give Ipswich a decent game. If we can't put some effort in at 1 or 2-0 this early in the season what's it going to be like in a couple of months time. It's meaningless comparing us to other clubs the fact is since BG took over in January we've gone from play off form to relegation form which I doubt other clubs have had to suffer, we looked like early candidates for relegation again yesterday. There's no real evidence BG as any idea how to manage a football club at this level. Man of the match??? Can only recall him making one half decent save, that most keepers would have saved. If Annsi was in goal,I don't think we would have conceded the first and while a games 0 0 anything can happen. The defence confidence looked shot after the first goal and they had to sit deeper as they had no confidence in the keeper. Plus he nearly gave away a 4th when he passed it to their player and Grant had to take one for the team. Can't see how anyone can say he was Man of the match. We will hopefully have a number 9 soon, if not Daly could start in that position until then, once he's fit. I agree regarding the first goal which proved to be pivotal, he should have come for it? The ball was well inside the box before their player touched it, it was a bad decision that I’m sure Annsi wouldn’t have made. |
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Post by ian46 on Sept 6, 2020 10:36:58 GMT
We will be challenging playoffs this season.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 6, 2020 10:47:05 GMT
Man of the match??? Can only recall him making one half decent save, that most keepers would have saved. If Annsi was in goal,I don't think we would have conceded the first and while a games 0 0 anything can happen. The defence confidence looked shot after the first goal and they had to sit deeper as they had no confidence in the keeper. Plus he nearly gave away a 4th when he passed it to their player and Grant had to take one for the team. Can't see how anyone can say he was Man of the match. We will hopefully have a number 9 soon, if not Daly could start in that position until then, once he's fit. I agree regarding the first goal which proved to be pivotal, he should have come for it? The ball was well inside the box before their player touched it, it was a bad decision that I’m sure Annsi wouldn’t have made. Yes there player had the ball on the touchline, inside their own half. The ball traveled a long way and their player ran a long way, before catching it inside our box. Most keepers starting position would have been better and they would have jogged forward and picked it up just inside the box. Or ran outside the box and cleared it. He started deep and tab backwards onto his line, as he's slow and didn't have the confidence to come for it. When ever he's played, he's looked slow off his line. Meaning the defence get caught out, when they wouldn't normally, or they have to drop back. Leaving us less compact and giving them more space, all over the pitch. If we try and press high, we need a keeper who will come off his line and sweep up any long balls. Or it will not work. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2020 10:47:29 GMT
"Was that the likely starting line up next week - I doubt it" Why is it doubted that looked our strongest line up apart from JVS, who was probably our MotM!, the only change could be a new No 9 if we manage to sign on before next Saturday. It was a typical BG performance, and DC's before he left, we looked OK until Ipswich scored then we just gave up and never really looked like scoring. Whilst a defeat was always likely I sense most of us expected we'd give Ipswich a decent game. If we can't put some effort in at 1 or 2-0 this early in the season what's it going to be like in a couple of months time. It's meaningless comparing us to other clubs the fact is since BG took over in January we've gone from play off form to relegation form which I doubt other clubs have had to suffer, we looked like early candidates for relegation again yesterday. There's no real evidence BG as any idea how to manage a football club at this level. Man of the match??? Can only recall him making one half decent save, that most keepers would have saved. If Annsi was in goal,I don't think we would have conceded the first and while a games 0 0 anything can happen. The defence confidence looked shot after the first goal and they had to sit deeper as they had no confidence in the keeper. Plus he nearly gave away a 4th when he passed it to their player and Grant had to take one for the team. Can't see how anyone can say he was Man of the match. We will hopefully have a number 9 soon, if not Daly could start in that position until then, once he's fit. Well done Dan neatly missing the whole point of the thread and highlighting a single comment about JVS, did you actually pay £10 to watch the match yesterday? As far as a striker why would any decent striker with a bit of ambition sign for us now this week, when we look relegation candidates. Daly's an odd one, as how can a sickness bug keep you out of action for weeks. |
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Post by TAGas on Sept 6, 2020 10:57:23 GMT
I agree with give 10 games (9 remaining) to turn it around and get a decent number 9 in.
His win rate is currently 11.76%
That's horrendous
Dave Penney is looking good at this rate😅
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 6, 2020 11:12:04 GMT
Man of the match??? Can only recall him making one half decent save, that most keepers would have saved. If Annsi was in goal,I don't think we would have conceded the first and while a games 0 0 anything can happen. The defence confidence looked shot after the first goal and they had to sit deeper as they had no confidence in the keeper. Plus he nearly gave away a 4th when he passed it to their player and Grant had to take one for the team. Can't see how anyone can say he was Man of the match. We will hopefully have a number 9 soon, if not Daly could start in that position until then, once he's fit. Well done Dan neatly missing the whole point of the thread and highlighting a single comment about JVS, did you actually pay £10 to watch the match yesterday? As far as a striker why would any decent striker with a bit of ambition sign for us now this week, when we look relegation candidates. Daly's an odd one, as how can a sickness bug keep you out of action for weeks. To be honest I stopped reading once you had said he was Man of the match 😂. Rodman was out with illness for the same amount of time. Depends what they had. It can take a long time to feel normal, if you have a virus for a week. It's bad enough walking around after, let alone being able to sprint. Hopefully they will both be in contention on Tuesday. |
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