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Post by socrates on Sept 8, 2020 23:20:48 GMT
I’ve been watching league 1 football most of my life as most of us have supporting Rovers. The sides that get promoted are almost always quick powerful sides that play with tempo and get the ball forward quickly. They have good players of course but I can’t remember ever seeing a league 1 side play tippy tappy football and have success over a season. Watching Garners Rovers reminds me of when Swindon tried to play that way and got relegated and the season after MK were the same and they were crap and went down too. I’m not saying you have to be a long ball hoof it merchant but quick tempo and getting the ball up the park seems to be the way in the lower two leagues. What do we think ?
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Post by pirate on Sept 8, 2020 23:24:33 GMT
Coventry City.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 8, 2020 23:30:46 GMT
I’ve been watching league 1 football most of my life as most of us have supporting Rovers. The sides that get promoted are almost always quick powerful sides that play with tempo and get the ball forward quickly. They have good players of course but I can’t remember ever seeing a league 1 side play tippy tappy football and have success over a season. Watching Garners Rovers reminds me of when Swindon tried to play that way and got relegated and the season after MK were the same and they were crap and went down too. I’m not saying you have to be a long ball hoof it merchant but quick tempo and getting the ball up the park seems to be the way in the lower two leagues. What do we think ? Coventry went up playing passing football and Oxford made the play off final. Wycombe come 23rd in a lot of passing stats last season, but went up. So you can go up playing anyway at this level. Last season we definitely didn't have the squad to have success playing passing football. Not sure if we do now.
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Post by socrates on Sept 9, 2020 6:31:48 GMT
I’ve been watching league 1 football most of my life as most of us have supporting Rovers. The sides that get promoted are almost always quick powerful sides that play with tempo and get the ball forward quickly. They have good players of course but I can’t remember ever seeing a league 1 side play tippy tappy football and have success over a season. Watching Garners Rovers reminds me of when Swindon tried to play that way and got relegated and the season after MK were the same and they were crap and went down too. I’m not saying you have to be a long ball hoof it merchant but quick tempo and getting the ball up the park seems to be the way in the lower two leagues. What do we think ? Coventry went up playing passing football and Oxford made the play off final. Wycombe come 23rd in a lot of passing stats last season, but went up. So you can go up playing anyway at this level. Last season we definitely didn't have the squad to have success playing passing football. Not sure if we do now. Coventry played nice football sure but against us they were quick and direct they didn’t need 7 passes to get to the half way line like we seem to. 4-5 quick passes from back to front and they opened us up and we were beaten, Ipswich played that way Saturday against us too. Passing football doesn’t have to be slow and laborious it can be direct with tempo too, look at Liverpool.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 9, 2020 7:08:27 GMT
Coventry went up playing passing football and Oxford made the play off final. Wycombe come 23rd in a lot of passing stats last season, but went up. So you can go up playing anyway at this level. Last season we definitely didn't have the squad to have success playing passing football. Not sure if we do now. Coventry played nice football sure but against us they were quick and direct they didn’t need 7 passes to get to the half way line like we seem to. 4-5 quick passes from back to front and they opened us up and we were beaten, Ipswich played that way Saturday against us too. Passing football doesn’t have to be slow and laborious it can be direct with tempo too, look at Liverpool. I thought they played around the back a lot. They had possession of the ball the majority of the time against us. If I remember rightly, in the fa cup game they even gave away a penalty by trying to over play at the back and our player stole the ball. Then they were not direct at all. Sure they probably were direct at times, but you can be once you have drawn the opposition on to you.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 9, 2020 7:11:45 GMT
Coventry went up playing passing football and Oxford made the play off final. Wycombe come 23rd in a lot of passing stats last season, but went up. So you can go up playing anyway at this level. Last season we definitely didn't have the squad to have success playing passing football. Not sure if we do now. Coventry played nice football sure but against us they were quick and direct they didn’t need 7 passes to get to the half way line like we seem to. 4-5 quick passes from back to front and they opened us up and we were beaten, Ipswich played that way Saturday against us too. Passing football doesn’t have to be slow and laborious it can be direct with tempo too, look at Liverpool. A passing game should always be played with tempo anyway. Pointless doing it slow, as the opposition will just get their shape back. When you hear Ben shouting at games, he's been shouting tempo, move the ball quicker etc. Whether it will work with these players is another matter, but you can get success playing passing football at this level.
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 9, 2020 7:19:51 GMT
Just boot it
Big Devon up top
Knocking it down for Penrice to smash home
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 9, 2020 7:40:28 GMT
Just boot it Big Devon up top Knocking it down for Penrice to smash home Halcyon days.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 9, 2020 7:40:59 GMT
I’ve been watching league 1 football most of my life as most of us have supporting Rovers. The sides that get promoted are almost always quick powerful sides that play with tempo and get the ball forward quickly. They have good players of course but I can’t remember ever seeing a league 1 side play tippy tappy football and have success over a season. Watching Garners Rovers reminds me of when Swindon tried to play that way and got relegated and the season after MK were the same and they were crap and went down too. I’m not saying you have to be a long ball hoof it merchant but quick tempo and getting the ball up the park seems to be the way in the lower two leagues. What do we think ? Exactly what has been on my mind for a while now and not changed so far judging by those first 2 games.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Sept 9, 2020 10:43:54 GMT
Did anyone watch the Champions League final? I reckon about 70% of the chances in that game,came after possession was lost in the defensive half. The very best top quality players find it very difficult to beat a ridiculously high press.The players we have are evidently not good/confident enough to play this way.Mixing it up a bit may work better but when you play most of the game near your own goal you will lose most games.We are playing our own version of the ‘percentage’ game and it’s all ass backwards.
The Swindon comparison is a very good one but even they played a game that was way better than we have produced to date.
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2020 11:12:00 GMT
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 9, 2020 11:39:36 GMT
That's how it SHOULD look!
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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 9, 2020 11:52:08 GMT
A winning style is my preferred way. If it looks pretty to boot, then it’s a bonus.
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Post by landrover on Sept 9, 2020 11:53:59 GMT
I refer the honourable gentleman to our second goal last night. I
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Post by socrates on Sept 9, 2020 13:18:52 GMT
I refer the honourable gentleman to our second goal last night. I Yeah a great accurate pass to a header a nice little lay off pass and bang ! Goal. Great football , accurate passing and a great strike. Unfortunately many people see this as anti football.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 9, 2020 19:28:52 GMT
They were quicker than we wereat Ipswich, and they could score
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 9, 2020 19:30:30 GMT
A long measured pass to Big Devon up top Knocking it down for Penrice to smash home There, corrected it for you
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Post by socrates on Sept 9, 2020 19:31:15 GMT
They were quicker than we wereat Ipswich, and they could score Exactly , Coventry got in to our area within just a few passes they didn’t try to bore us to death.
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Post by axegas on Sept 9, 2020 19:37:23 GMT
I think the best way to play a implement a good passing style of football, is through recruitment, specifically signing players that know how to get their heads up and play a pass and gradually foster this as a club culture over time.
Now I'm just an armchair manager with no coaching badges but it seems to me Garner has tried to do too much too quickly, forcing players that aren't used to playing that style of football, to play it. In the last couple of games, the likes of Baldwin, Kelly, JVS, Leahy and Little have looked really uncomfortable in this system, often trying to rush play, taking poor touches or misplacing their passes altogether.
Signing players like Grant and Westbrooke evidently shows this is a direction the club wants to head in but in the interim, Garner needs to find a way of playing that suits his squad, not his vision of the future.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 9, 2020 19:46:18 GMT
I wonder of we will play 3 at the back at sunderland, and when we start letting in goals will he change to a back 4 or 5? Somehow I doubt it. I think he is a one formation pony
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