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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 9, 2020 19:24:46 GMT
They way he was talking I dont believe he will sign a striker, but someone with "potential" I don't have a problem with that. I do, we sell one of the best strikers we have had in modern times and replace him with a kid? So, you are happy to write the season off?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 9, 2020 19:33:22 GMT
I've asked this in another thread but with no answer. Hoping starting this thread will alert some of his supporters. Bloody good question. Interested to read the answers. It doesn’t seem to me that he has...yet. Last season’s problems are still here, just a different set of players. Imo long term his being given the summer will be seen as re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic. Come on both of you! GGMI asked the question not to find out what the answer would be but to create extra pressure. GGMI knew full well what the replies would be, results-wise it’s not easy to make a case for BG. There are plenty of other threads to have done this. Sorry, but what’s the point? (Yes, I know I could have ignored it.) Ill keep supporting the team whilst he still manager and you’ll get your way if the results don’t get any better. UTG! edit: Sorry, I posted before reading all the thread and have seen albaron and gassy and others have said much the same.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 9, 2020 19:42:21 GMT
I don't have a problem with that. I do, we sell one of the best strikers we have had in modern times and replace him with a kid? So, you are happy to write the season off? If that's Wael's instructions what's BG supposed to do, quit on a point of principal and lose 2 years salary? As far as the positives, he's somehow convinced Jaakola and Kilgour to sign extended contracts, help to sign Ehmer, Grant, Westbrook ansNicholson who seem decent signings, as those Ayunga and also convinced JML to return. Although he seems to have had the carpet dragged from under him by losing JCH and him not being replaced. Nothing new there though as that happened after both Hoskins, Lambert and Harrison departed.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 9, 2020 19:55:47 GMT
Your last point GGMI is not correct. There is more to giving someone time than blindly hoping for the best. There's an element of seeing through a process to its conclusion one way or the other. It's like giving someone a fair probation period. Some companies give 3 months, some give 6 months, some give a year. I would like to see whether the process of him coaching this new look side will start to bear fruit after the next 8-10 games. If it isn't, then I agree that he should go. Sacking him now would for me be a bit like abandoning your place in a queue you've stood in for an hour, because you don't think its moving quickly enough. That's your prerogative, but others would continue to wait, knowing there's a reasonable chance of getting where you need to go sooner or later. There is of course always an individual limit to how long any one person is prepared to wait. To round out the analogy considering the lad on the til has made a real horlicks of the majority of the last 20 customers he’s served it’s actually much less than a reasonable chance that you will be getting served any time soon. It would require a hitherto not before seen improvement in his approach to his shopping scanning technique for him to improve his velocity for you to be served before the store closes in 10 minutes. A fair continuation of my analogy! I would still wait longer, as this lad on the till has received some new equipment and hasn't quite gotten to grips with them yet, it's only been 2 customers since that came in. He may start to perform better if given a bit more time. Analogy getting stale now 😁
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 9, 2020 19:56:43 GMT
After watching Rovers for over 50 years every season I hope we can be successful, if it is obvious the club and some of the fans are happy to write a season off in the name of "progress" than I have to say, what is the point of buying a season ticket, or watching them on iplayer or whatever, unless of course you are happy with a team that will lose more than it wins
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Sept 9, 2020 20:03:58 GMT
I've asked this in another thread but with no answer. Hoping starting this thread will alert some of his supporters. MODS Can we ban threads with a leading question in the title please?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 9, 2020 20:08:19 GMT
I don't have a problem with that. I do, we sell one of the best strikers we have had in modern times and replace him with a kid? So, you are happy to write the season off? Was JCH a kid? Did he have potential? Did we make 1.2M profit on him? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 9, 2020 20:10:04 GMT
Ooh, also you cant say it's a problem we dont have a striker because the season hasnt started yet.
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Post by LJG on Sept 9, 2020 20:46:43 GMT
To round out the analogy considering the lad on the til has made a real horlicks of the majority of the last 20 customers he’s served it’s actually much less than a reasonable chance that you will be getting served any time soon. It would require a hitherto not before seen improvement in his approach to his shopping scanning technique for him to improve his velocity for you to be served before the store closes in 10 minutes. A fair continuation of my analogy! I would still wait longer, as this lad on the till has received some new equipment and hasn't quite gotten to grips with them yet, it's only been 2 customers since that came in. He may start to perform better if given a bit more time. Analogy getting stale now 😁 But also it's not just the kiddy on the till is it? It's the manager. You've been shopping in a supermarket where the guy in charge cannot get the absolute fundamentals right. You've been queuing for an hour for goodness sake! And this isn't the first time. Out of the last 20 Saturdays you've shopped here everything about the shop has been a disaster apart from twice. Products stacked in totally the wrong places. Complete failure to allocate staff to areas that need it as things change during the day. Aren't you tempted to stop coming back until the person responsible for that is changed?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 9, 2020 20:57:47 GMT
After watching Rovers for over 50 years every season I hope we can be successful, if it is obvious the club and some of the fans are happy to write a season off in the name of "progress" than I have to say, what is the point of buying a season ticket, or watching them on iplayer or whatever, unless of course you are happy with a team that will lose more than it wins After that length of time watching you should know the owners take little notice of what fans say until it start looking like we might get relegated, BG's probably bought himself at least 10 maybe 20 games, he won't even face the toxic atmosphere at the ground Buckle faced before he was sacked.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 9, 2020 21:00:26 GMT
Sorry but this thread is ridiculous. Just because some people don’t believe sacking Garner right away is the right decision, you want to highlight your point even more by creating yet another thread on the subject? Why can’t people have different opinions on the subject and just leave it at that? Why is it ridiculous? I'm genuinely interested in what people think he has progressed? I can't think of anything. People complaining about me getting on his back but can't back why they would keep him other than what I can only see as hoping for the best. People have responded through out, if you’re choosing to ignore it or disagree then that’s your problem ultimately. What is wrong in hoping for the best? Let’s be honest we’re in one of the best positions we’ve been in for years (all over). No one is happy with Bens performance as manager, they’re just saying that they don’t think it would be right to fire him right now, as is their right. Why do you have such a problem with other Rovers fans thinking something different to you?
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 9, 2020 21:00:36 GMT
Ooh, also you cant say it's a problem we dont have a striker because the season hasnt started yet. Absolutely! None of it counts. None of it matters. # team Ben # GarnerDefenceLeague # Garner forever # and ever
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Post by wertongas on Sept 9, 2020 22:01:04 GMT
Apart from the obvious problem with our strike force overall i think that the squad has improved but that maybe partly down to Tommy Widrington as he has far more experience than BG of bringing in new players.Regards overall management things have clearly got worse, two wins in twenty games, on paper a stronger defence, but with a far worse record, our defensive coaching appears to be non existent a bit like the defence sometimes and is the main reason why our form has been so poor especially away from home. Another major management failure is the selling of our main goal scorer with out an experienced replacement being brought in. Overall since BG has taken over results wise on the pitch it is clear there has been no progress and BG needs to quickly turn things round.
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Post by yaz on Sept 9, 2020 22:27:42 GMT
Since returning to league 1 we have been nothing better than a bang average side with below average stadium and training facilities, above average debt and a squad of players that in many cases were overpaid relative to their abilities. This season we a have below average debt, a soon to be open decent training facility and a much better balanced payroll. I accept ability is still to be proved, but not many complained about the signings when announced. Before the first league ball is kicked we are no better or no worse than any other team in the league. We need a couple more to fill out the squad but I'm happy to wait - desperation always inflates the price. I've seen progress and I'm optimistic. Will we win at Sunderland and Doncaster, probably not, so I won't be panicking if we are 0 from 9 after 3 games. Change takes time. Everything changes but nothing really does?
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Post by biggles on Sept 9, 2020 22:36:00 GMT
I agree with lpgas in a way, but the thing is after my 50 years a a gashead i think too much is expected of our team with the resources we have had available, i know we are a selling club but surely survival is the utmost! we love our club we have had good times and bad, and we are at our best when we have our backs to the wall. im not impressed by garner at present who can be but hopefully he can change it around. up the gas!
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Post by brads213 on Sept 9, 2020 22:36:03 GMT
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2020 22:39:57 GMT
Don't be so hard on yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 22:50:40 GMT
Bloody good question. Interested to read the answers. It doesn’t seem to me that he has...yet. Last season’s problems are still here, just a different set of players. Imo long term his being given the summer will be seen as re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic. Come on both of you! GGMI asked the question not to find out what the answer would be but to create extra pressure. GGMI knew full well what the replies would be, results-wise it’s not easy to make a case for BG. There are plenty of other threads to have done this. Sorry, but what’s the point? (Yes, I know I could have ignored it.) Ill keep supporting the team whilst he still manager and you’ll get your way if the results don’t get any better. UTG! edit: Sorry, I posted before reading all the thread and have seen albaron and gassy and others have said much the same. I can’t speak for the OP’s motives but I am interested to see how people who support BG have seen an improvement in his game management because by all accounts the old issues were laid bare against Ipswich in our failure to stop their rinse and repeat tactic of balls into the channels in the spaces between our centre backs. That’s the thing, you can give him all the new players you want but if he can’t react to what the opposition is doing then we aren’t going to get very far. People seem to want to stick their fingers in their ears and close their eyes and pretend that everything is all tickety-boo simply because it’s a new season. It doesn’t seem to work like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 23:05:44 GMT
Garner needs a result at sunderland to give everyone a lift. Its the first important game of the season and a good result will help a lot.
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Post by putterbishopston on Sept 10, 2020 4:33:31 GMT
Listening to Garner as I have done, imo, it appears that 'giving a good account of ourselves' and playing according to his teachings are the most important factors he considers right now, winning would be a bonus, it's all part of his and Wael's long term strategy, it is going to be a bumpy ride. Am fully expecting Sunderland to give us a lesson and demonstration on how L1 football should be played.
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