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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2020 5:41:27 GMT
Why is it ridiculous? I'm genuinely interested in what people think he has progressed? I can't think of anything. People complaining about me getting on his back but can't back why they would keep him other than what I can only see as hoping for the best. People have responded through out, if you’re choosing to ignore it or disagree then that’s your problem ultimately. What is wrong in hoping for the best? Let’s be honest we’re in one of the best positions we’ve been in for years (all over). No one is happy with Bens performance as manager, they’re just saying that they don’t think it would be right to fire him right now, as is their right. Why do you have such a problem with other Rovers fans thinking something different to you? I don't have a problem. I just want to have something to try and be positive about because I can't see anything that BG has done to progress us. There have been some angry people with me on here about not giving BG a chance so I was putting the emphasis on his supporters instead of constantly bashing him with a stick (which I'm sure you'll get fed up with), so what has he actually done to improve us that is keeping him here? Hope that makes sense to you. I still haven't seen anything conclusive by the way. Maybe you would like to point them out to me?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2020 5:48:05 GMT
Plenty of good off the field development gone on in the last year I applaud the direction the club is looking to go, develop youth, strong academy, top training facilities and a style of play that has a continued theme Managers come and go. If we get a stadium announcement soon and remain in League 1 this season I’ll consider that progress? You? I agree the club has made improvements. Wael, Tom etc are doing well. I don't see any progress from the manager though..
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 10, 2020 5:57:37 GMT
Plenty of good off the field development gone on in the last year I applaud the direction the club is looking to go, develop youth, strong academy, top training facilities and a style of play that has a continued theme Managers come and go. If we get a stadium announcement soon and remain in League 1 this season I’ll consider that progress? You? I agree the club has made improvements. Wael, Tom etc are doing well. I don't see any progress from the manager though.. Hence the managers come and go statement! If he wins games he will stay If he doesn’t we will move on to the next one Hopefully the former. We all want that don’t we?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 6:45:10 GMT
Sorry but this thread is ridiculous. Just because some people don’t believe sacking Garner right away is the right decision, you want to highlight your point even more by creating yet another thread on the subject? Why can’t people have different opinions on the subject and just leave it at that? Because ggmi is after BG throat and don’t won’t him too succeed and he wants his beloved DC back 😍
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Post by putterbishopston on Sept 10, 2020 6:45:36 GMT
Just spent an hour reviewing late last season interviews with BG, claimed he needed a full pre-season to progress the team and get everybody up to speed and playing the Garner way, Mmmmm.....
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 10, 2020 7:54:25 GMT
I agree the club has made improvements. Wael, Tom etc are doing well. I don't see any progress from the manager though.. Hence the managers come and go statement! If he wins games he will stay If he doesn’t we will move on to the next one Hopefully the former. We all want that don’t we? I do. On paper BG could be brilliant. A young manager who wants to play football. Plenty of high level coaching experience. Presumably a good contact book of young players that can be developed. Willing to work within the clubs structure. Its really tough to understand why it's gone so badly so far.
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Post by Marshy on Sept 10, 2020 7:56:29 GMT
Hence the managers come and go statement! If he wins games he will stay If he doesn’t we will move on to the next one Hopefully the former. We all want that don’t we? I do. On paper BG could be brilliant. A young manager who wants to play football. Plenty of high level coaching experience. Presumably a good contact book of young players that can be developed. Willing to work within the clubs structure. Its really tough to understand why it's gone so badly so far. Because he’s trying to play premier league football with league 1 players.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 10, 2020 9:30:48 GMT
Not forgetting a downward spiral from a realistic promotion position to a likely relegation battle if it was a 4 clubs down normal season. Out of two cups in next to no time, a playing style that was baffling to say the least and a team that clearly had given up the fight as soon as they realised the manager was clueless. We are,unfortunately, witnessing a brilliant example of how not to appoint a manager. Realistic promotion season? Eh? Baffled me there.
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Post by landrover on Sept 10, 2020 9:40:16 GMT
That you didn’t like Coughlan is fine, but to deny that 4th is not a realistic promotion position is simply ridiculous.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 10, 2020 9:48:06 GMT
That you didn’t like Coughlan is fine, but to deny that 4th is not a realistic promotion position is simply ridiculous. We wouldn’t have finished in the playoffs even if GC had stayed. Outside chAnce? Sure. But not a realistic one
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Post by gashead99 on Sept 10, 2020 10:18:07 GMT
No-one is willing to write off a season for the sake of progress - believe it or not we all want a successful season. Dare I say some of us might be a little more realistic in expectations.
We can also appreciate what is trying to be achieved and are happy with a few bumps along the way.
For me, BG is 0 from 0 in the league this season, the same as every other manager. There is no point carrying over the stats from last season with a completely different squad.
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Post by LJG on Sept 10, 2020 10:20:59 GMT
That you didn’t like Coughlan is fine, but to deny that 4th is not a realistic promotion position is simply ridiculous. We wouldn’t have finished in the playoffs even if GC had stayed. Outside chAnce? Sure. But not a realistic one On what basis? That's just complete conjecture.
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Post by gashead99 on Sept 10, 2020 10:27:13 GMT
We wouldn’t have finished in the playoffs even if GC had stayed. Outside chAnce? Sure. But not a realistic one On what basis? That's just complete conjecture. No more conjecture than saying this season will mirror the second half of last one.
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Post by putterbishopston on Sept 10, 2020 10:34:13 GMT
Hence the managers come and go statement! If he wins games he will stay If he doesn’t we will move on to the next one Hopefully the former. We all want that don’t we? I do. On paper BG could be brilliant. A young manager who wants to play football. Plenty of high level coaching experience. Presumably a good contact book of young players that can be developed. Willing to work within the clubs structure. Its really tough to understand why it's gone so badly so far. What you say is correct, yet the answer is fairly simple, he has NO experience of being a Manager. I have worked with academically brilliant people who have been offered management jobs yet know nothing about how to Manage, rarely it ends well.
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Post by LJG on Sept 10, 2020 10:38:19 GMT
On what basis? That's just complete conjecture. No more conjecture than saying this season will mirror the second half of last one. Well it is really because one is based on evidence - the games we've seen played since last season - and the other is based on just deciding that the thing that was actually true wasn't really true just because ....
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Post by gashead99 on Sept 10, 2020 10:45:17 GMT
No more conjecture than saying this season will mirror the second half of last one. Well it is really because one is based on evidence - the games we've seen played since last season - and the other is based on just deciding that the thing that was actually true wasn't really true just because .... I really don't think we have seen enough to compare, I don't think we've even seen our preferred team. DC got 29 games in his final season, possibly extended based on previous results.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 10:54:51 GMT
On what basis? That's just complete conjecture. No more conjecture than saying this season will mirror the second half of last one. Well, it’s backed by science to a degree- for Garner to be a success this season he has to radically turn around one of the worst win percentages football has ever seen. Past performance is the best indicator of future success that there is at this point. Especially if you were looking to put a bet on Rovers. You would have to be very brave to back a massive change in a manager’s win ratio. I’d be interested in seeing some evidence of a manager turning around the sort of record Garner has at this stage because I expect it’s not really been done before, probably because manager’s careers, when you start like Garner has, tend to be very short.
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Post by gashead99 on Sept 10, 2020 10:57:52 GMT
No more conjecture than saying this season will mirror the second half of last one. Well, it’s backed by science to a degree- for Garner to be a success this season he has to radically turn around one of the worst win percentages football has ever seen. Past performance is the best indicator of future success that there is at this point. Especially if you were looking to put a bet on Rovers. You would have to be very brave to back a massive change in a manager’s win ratio. I’d be interested in seeing some evidence of a manager turning around the sort of record Garner has at this stage because I expect it’s not really been done before, probably because manager’s careers, when you start like Garner has, tend to be very short. I would entirely agree if we are comparing like for like. We aren't. 10 games will give an indication, 20 games a true comparison.
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Post by LJG on Sept 10, 2020 11:17:19 GMT
Well it is really because one is based on evidence - the games we've seen played since last season - and the other is based on just deciding that the thing that was actually true wasn't really true just because .... I really don't think we have seen enough to compare, I don't think we've even seen our preferred team. DC got 29 games in his final season, possibly extended based on previous results. I think you're talking about something different to what I was. The point made was that we weren't in a realistic promotion position when we were 4th. I said there's nothing to back that up. You're talking about BG. A different topic. That said there is evidence that he's not very good. You might not like it, but there is.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 10, 2020 11:26:22 GMT
No more conjecture than saying this season will mirror the second half of last one. Well, it’s backed by science to a degree- for Garner to be a success this season he has to radically turn around one of the worst win percentages football has ever seen. Past performance is the best indicator of future success that there is at this point. Especially if you were looking to put a bet on Rovers. You would have to be very brave to back a massive change in a manager’s win ratio. I’d be interested in seeing some evidence of a manager turning around the sort of record Garner has at this stage because I expect it’s not really been done before, probably because manager’s careers, when you start like Garner has, tend to be very short. Not exactly the same but Brentfords manager Thomas Frank had 2 wins in first 14 in charge (8L and 4D) His following 14 games were 9W 1D and 4L
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