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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2020 16:18:53 GMT
People calling for ogogo back must be watching a different game to me? We’ve created 3/4 chances over 3 games we need creativity in midfield not another defensive midfielder with limited passing ability. You can have all the bite in midfield you want but if they don’t create chances then what’s the point. ogogo is not the answer at all But if we don't have somebody to win the ball/break up the oppositions attacks we're never going to create chances? BG's put a team together like a Fantasy Football team, problems is you need your no nonsense players like Craig and Ogogo so the footballers can play. We must be every side's dream team to play now with no players like Craig or Ogogo, even OC, in the side.
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 22, 2020 16:35:15 GMT
I assume we've given up on Barrett then? Hoped we would see Mehew and Hargreaves continue to get opportunities myself, but Chelsea's youth players must be more important.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 22, 2020 16:51:46 GMT
I assume we've given up on Barrett then? Hoped we would see Mehew and Hargreaves continue to get opportunities myself, but Chelsea's youth players must be more important. Personally haven’t given up on him, but he’s been either fat, injured or both since joining last January - so not sure we can rely on him too much at this stage.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 22, 2020 17:21:13 GMT
People calling for ogogo back must be watching a different game to me? We’ve created 3/4 chances over 3 games we need creativity in midfield not another defensive midfielder with limited passing ability. You can have all the bite in midfield you want but if they don’t create chances then what’s the point. ogogo is not the answer at all But you need someone to break up the play otherwise we just keep getting attacked. We have faced the most shots on target (14) which shows we are being carved open like a knife through butter. Ogogo isn't creative himself but it's about the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 22, 2020 17:41:26 GMT
I assume we've given up on Barrett then? Hoped we would see Mehew and Hargreaves continue to get opportunities myself, but Chelsea's youth players must be more important. Personally haven’t given up on him, but he’s been either fat, injured or both since joining last January - so not sure we can rely on him too much at this stage. Which begs the question why we paid a fee for someone in that condition, surely they would've met with the player prior to signing them? Do Rovers do medicals?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 22, 2020 19:32:49 GMT
I assume we've given up on Barrett then? Hoped we would see Mehew and Hargreaves continue to get opportunities myself, but Chelsea's youth players must be more important. more money in being a feeder club then trying to get promoted.fanbase is being taken for a ride
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 22, 2020 22:59:27 GMT
Personally haven’t given up on him, but he’s been either fat, injured or both since joining last January - so not sure we can rely on him too much at this stage. Which begs the question why we paid a fee for someone in that condition, surely they would've met with the player prior to signing them? Do Rovers do medicals? If he was fit, be would be playing at a higher level and wouldn't have signed for us in the first place. So we obviously thought it was worth the risk. Doubt he's on big money and he still has time to come good. Hopefully he will be back from injury soon.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 23, 2020 7:32:43 GMT
So we have all had a day or so to look at YT vids and stats of Luke, my questions are:
1) Will he start on Saturday? 2) If he does, what do you want the formation to look like?
For me... 1) heart says yes but head says no as its probably too soon for him to be up to speed with our 'system' 2) - go all out attack using the 3 4 3 - Having Ayunga start means that when we panic smash the ball at least we have a target man and 2 hungry number 10's to feed off him. Also using Leahy and Hare to whip in crosses would also benefit Ayunga. I have given Little a shout at RCB as I believe his experience may be important if we are going to go balls deep this game. I may regret not having Kilgour's tacking/heading ability though i guess.
Anssi
Little Ehmer Harries
Hare Westbrooke McCormick Leahy
Hanlan Ayunga JML
Let hear your thoughts...
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Post by RD on Sept 23, 2020 8:12:14 GMT
According to Frosty in the Post: "McCormick will now provide back-up and competition to first-choice pairing Josh Grant and Zain Westbrooke with the potential theory that if he can fulfil the No8 role, it will allow the latter to become more of a playmaker." Westbrooke isn't a playmaker IMHO and looked lost in a role further forward on Saturday. Wow. Just wow. All I can say is we better have at least one if not two proper signings still to come (yes, I said proper). What I mean by that is: 1) Ideally not a loan 2) Someone with a bit of experience 3) Someone who will start!! Not offer back-up or competition!!
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 23, 2020 8:35:26 GMT
Colkett was not a good player for us. He was a player with a lot of potential but during his time with us was largely ineffective and got an easy time by fans because of his reputation and where he was on loan from. Yes he went to Swindon, and what happened to them that season? They got relegated with too many young players trying to play decent football. Exactly what I can see happening here. Another example of Horfield Derangement Syndrome. Colkett was perfectly good for us. 3 goals from 15 in midfield and like Gastsfari says a couple of important ones. He must not have looked "naturally gifted" enough. DC terminated Colkett's loan deal early because he did not work hard enough or follow DC's instructions
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Post by horfield on Sept 23, 2020 9:02:15 GMT
Colkett now playing in Sweden for Ostersund on a 3.5 year contract who are 9th in the Allsvenkans League out of 16 teams many of which are part time. Perhaps DC saw something that all those academy coaches at Chelsea didn't, it will be interesting to see how McCormack works out.
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Post by LJG on Sept 23, 2020 9:03:18 GMT
Another example of Horfield Derangement Syndrome. Colkett was perfectly good for us. 3 goals from 15 in midfield and like Gastsfari says a couple of important ones. He must not have looked "naturally gifted" enough. DC terminated Colkett's loan deal early because he did not work hard enough or follow DC's instructions Well, no ones saying DC didn't suffer from HDS at times. Nichols and Bennett were his players after all.
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Post by Congas on Sept 23, 2020 9:43:29 GMT
Listening to his interview he's a box to box player who likes to drive forward,score goals and not afraid to mix it up,i thought that's what folk on here were asking for ? Well I could make a video and say I was the best Locksmith in Britain and there was no lock I could not open. Doesn't mean its true (it is close though) Making the decision to become a locksmith would have been a key moment in your life but there's no need to Yale it out to all and sundry :-)
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 23, 2020 9:48:22 GMT
Well I could make a video and say I was the best Locksmith in Britain and there was no lock I could not open. Doesn't mean its true (it is close though) Making the decision to become a locksmith would have been a key moment in your life but there's no need to Yale it out to all and sundry :-) Get out. Don’t bother closing the door behind you, lpg will only pick the lock.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 23, 2020 9:56:36 GMT
According to Frosty in the Post: "McCormick will now provide back-up and competition to first-choice pairing Josh Grant and Zain Westbrooke with the potential theory that if he can fulfil the No8 role, it will allow the latter to become more of a playmaker." Westbrooke isn't a playmaker IMHO and looked lost in a role further forward on Saturday. Playmakers don't tend to play in the attacking 3. They tend to play further back, where they can move the ball around the pitch. A lot of Coventry fans said he was a playmaker and that passing was his main strength, which seemed to be backed up when last season's stats. A playmaker needs options though. This formation does not suit him, as a lot of the time the middle 2 are isolated. Early days when us, so hard to say what his role will be. I agree he is not suited to playing in the front 3 though.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 23, 2020 10:11:23 GMT
According to Frosty in the Post: "McCormick will now provide back-up and competition to first-choice pairing Josh Grant and Zain Westbrooke with the potential theory that if he can fulfil the No8 role, it will allow the latter to become more of a playmaker." Westbrooke isn't a playmaker IMHO and looked lost in a role further forward on Saturday. Playmakers don't tend to play in the attacking 3. They tend to play further back, where they can move the ball around the pitch. A lot of Coventry fans said he was a playmaker and that passing was his main strength, which seemed to be backed up when last season's stats. A playmaker needs options though. This formation does not suit him, as a lot of the time the middle 2 are isolated. Early days when us, so hard to say what his role will be. I agree he is not suited to playing in the front 3 though. Yeah i was surprised to see him in the AMC role. I think I would like to see him drop between the lines and pick up the ball from the CB's - I believe that should be Grants role in the current set up though. Which one has the best 'dribbling' ability as well as a decent range of passing that is probably the one that should undertake the attcking pivot role in my opinion. Take Sheehans role for newport as an example. In his matches he has the lion share of possession for his team and as a by product has the lions share of touches and passes. Looking at the last Rovers match, all of these stats are dominated by Ipswich's side however we do feature in some categories and its Leahy with most of our possession and Harries as most of our passes (Nothing new here as the eye test showed that and the post match comments echoed what we saw. Long balls etc). In the stats we do not feature on the top 5 for dribbles. We do dominate the aerials in the defense and attack but that is not suppose to be the tactics. All of this just points at the same message. Get the training onto the match day pitch, I'm sure that this will be worked on this week, whether we got the balls to keep it going in the league match remains to be seen
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Post by cj on Sept 23, 2020 14:16:19 GMT
An experienced L1 commanding midfielder, who can score goals and has leadership qualities. That's what the other 23 L1 clubs want. I am sure BG don't need telling. If one becomes available within our budget, im sure BG will be on the blower. But realistically, that type of player will cost a few million unless he is available on a free. Either way, his wages will probably be too high for us.
So compromises has to be made. Either someone with less experience or doesn't chip in with goals or no leadership qualities. All of a sudden these types fall into our budget. This signing will fall under the less experience category. He has an eye for goal. He has captained his Chelsea side at youth level so would have some leadership qualities. What he lacks in experience, he should make up in hunger and he would have learned a lot from training with the stars of Chelsea. He would be well known to our assistant manager Jack Mesure too which will benefit BG.
If we have a few million spare or a big chunk of wage budget still available then yeah, lets go and get an experienced L1 commanding midfielder, who can score goals and has leadership qualities. But we don't have millions and a big wage budget available. So this signing is pretty much the next best thing. Not sure what the complaints from some are about.
We have just sold JCH for £1.2m plus shifted a few big wage earners off the wage budget, JCH, Sercs, OC, THD & Nichols so it's not as if we have no transfer funds/can't afford the odd decent contract. Apologies for the lateness of my reply Topper. I am not always able to get on here.
The club obviously knew we were going to be selling JCH. I say this going by Starnes comment in his latest statement. JCH had turned down our contract offers so it was a case of getting the best deal from the numerous offers from Peterborough. So the club was expecting some money from Peterborough and a good chunk of that would have been spent in advance on our undisclosed signings during this summer.
Also, this could be wrong but I swear I read that the £1.2 million for JCH is not all paid in one go. Will be instalments. Again this could be wrong. If it is instalments then that would have gone already on our new signings. If we have got the full £1.2 million in one go, that is only £1.2 million. I did say the type of player mentioned would cost a few million. Unless he is available on a free but then his wages would become an issue.
You have mentioned a list of players who have left - meaning a good chunk of wages available. You would be correct. But of course you have to remember that we have already made a lot of signings and im sure the likes of Ehmer and Westbrook (to name a couple) would be on very good wages. So that chunk of wages you are on about being available, has probably nearly been used already.
This why BG made a point that some may have to leave to be able to bring in a player. Why would he say that if transfer funds and wage budget was not an issue?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 14:34:55 GMT
I assume we've given up on Barrett then? Hoped we would see Mehew and Hargreaves continue to get opportunities myself, but Chelsea's youth players must be more important. Unless the plan is to loan out Mehew and/or Hargreaves to get regular football then I struggle to see the point unless this Chelsea youngster is ready to set the league alight which I doubt.
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Post by pirate on Sept 23, 2020 14:39:44 GMT
According to Frosty in the Post: "McCormick will now provide back-up and competition to first-choice pairing Josh Grant and Zain Westbrooke with the potential theory that if he can fulfil the No8 role, it will allow the latter to become more of a playmaker." Westbrooke isn't a playmaker IMHO and looked lost in a role further forward on Saturday. Playmakers don't tend to play in the attacking 3. They tend to play further back, where they can move the ball around the pitch. A lot of Coventry fans said he was a playmaker and that passing was his main strength, which seemed to be backed up when last season's stats. A playmaker needs options though. This formation does not suit him, as a lot of the time the middle 2 are isolated. Early days when us, so hard to say what his role will be. I agree he is not suited to playing in the front 3 though. From memory described as "box-to-box" and a number 8 in the gascast scouting report from the Coventry fan who runs the 'empty seats' site. gaschat.co.uk/thread/16545/scout-report-westbrooke-empty-seats
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Sept 23, 2020 14:59:37 GMT
So we have all had a day or so to look at YT vids and stats of Luke, my questions are: 1) Will he start on Saturday? 2) If he does, what do you want the formation to look like? For me... 1) heart says yes but head says no as its probably too soon for him to be up to speed with our 'system' 2) - go all out attack using the 3 4 3 - Having Ayunga start means that when we panic smash the ball at least we have a target man and 2 hungry number 10's to feed off him. Also using Leahy and Hare to whip in crosses would also benefit Ayunga. I have given Little a shout at RCB as I believe his experience may be important if we are going to go balls deep this game. I may regret not having Kilgour's tacking/heading ability though i guess. Anssi Little Ehmer Harries Hare Westbrooke McCormick Leahy Hanlan Ayunga JML Let hear your thoughts... Westbrooke and McCormick as our double pivot would be asking for trouble away at Doncaster imo. With McCormick looking more of an offensive midfeild player, I could see us struggling to retain the ball even more than we have in recent weeks. If he plays then he needs to be one of the two advanced midfeilders for me.
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