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Post by madgas on Oct 16, 2020 18:51:41 GMT
Please dont hijack this thread regarding personal opinions on Garner. Personally, I think he'll be a success but this isnt the point of this post.
The point is- I think Wael has run the first team exceptionally. When the family came we had Darrell Clarke and many wouldve chosen to pick their own man, rather than the legacy managers. Rightly, DC stayed, got us promotion and consolidated us as a league one team.
Yes, some will say that background failures to deliver a training ground and stadium contribruted to the end of Darrell but without visibilty of the deals/ knowledge over project viability I think we can at least park that away from first team matters.
So before Darrell left in came Tommy Wriddington and a new model began to take shape. Unfortunately, it did not work out for Darrell. I think there were several factors but ultimately failure to replace Taylor finally caught up with us.
At this point, what should rovers do? What next? We interview a few candidates but ultimately settle for the caretaker who has lead the team to a mini revival. Now, one must believe Wael wouldve been tempted to finally pursue his way. Pick his man. Pick (the interviewed: Ben Garner). But quite rightly, given the position of the club- we stirred to a more battle ready gaffer.
We quickly became effectice. No one wanted to play us and our results picked up massively. GC did a fanastic job and was 100% the right man at a bad time. We signed proven battlers, well known to the gaffer. In the main players for now. No nonsense solid pros. We got out of the mire and had a great half season.
For reasons difficult to fathom GC leaves and we're left on the search again. But this time Wael commits to the plan years in the making bringing in an unproven manager with a good reputation for coaching at youth level.
Now whether BG works or not can be discussed on another thread, theres enough. But you can see that weve shifted to this model of a more collabrative approach to recruitment between gaffer and Widdrington. Were targeting young, technically able players with room for development. Theres excitement around the place when we make a signing.
And the reason why I believe Wael is praisworthy- he must have been tempted to seek this at the two previous opportunities. However he rightly took a different course of action.
Oh and now we have a training ground.
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Post by socrates on Oct 16, 2020 19:03:17 GMT
I think that if DC knew what was on the horizon he wouldn’t have lost the plot the way he did.
The way it turned out we’re ok, still in league 1 thanks to Coughlan and the future is looking pretty bright now that Garners got almost a year of management under his belt and brought his own players in.
I still think we need a ballwinner experienced midfielder to make top six I hope I’m wrong because I don’t think Garner wants one but other than that I’ve got very little worries.
The way I see our situation pushing for promotion.
Players Skill Ability is there.
Training ground almost completed.
Financial backing is there ( first time in my life time)
Coach - premier league standard very experienced.
As a manager still relatively inexperienced.
Midfield general still needed to make top six.
Almost there , I think we’ll finish top half.
Also Coughlan gave his reasons as he needed to be with his wife and kids.
If I was working hundreds of miles away from my wife and kids and she said that she needed me to be closer to home or i was getting a divorce or one of the kids were ill I’d move closer to home without a second thought.
There may be more to it but he always came across as a very straightforward honest bloke.
There may have been other family issues perhaps family health issues who knows ?
Gasheads were understanding when Garner buggered off to deal with family issues even though he’d been here 5 minutes yet the man who saved us from CERTAIN relegation and then takes us to 3rd in a year gets dogs abuse for putting his family first.
Just saying.
It’s been a rollercoaster time supporting the Gas but I’d like to think that we’re Rovers supporters, we’re faithful and true.
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Post by pirate on Oct 16, 2020 19:08:18 GMT
All hail the Wael. Blue Wael.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 16, 2020 19:16:15 GMT
Great OP & can’t disagree with any of it.
I’ve had my doubts about Wael at times for sure, but the way he’s running our club now is fantastic IMO.
It feels like Rovers are more joined up & forward thinking from top to bottom than I’ve ever known us to be.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 16, 2020 19:23:07 GMT
As mentioned above, we are being ran fantastically and Wael deserves every shred of praise that comes his way. I hate to be flippant, but I can imagine the old boys SC club are feeling extremely sheepish these days.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2020 19:28:42 GMT
I think that if DC knew what was on the horizon he wouldn’t have lost the plot the way he did. The way it turned out we’re ok, still in league 1 thanks to Coughlan and the future is looking pretty bright now that Garners got almost a year of management under his belt and brought his own players in. I still think we need a ballwinner experienced midfielder to make top six I hope I’m wrong because I don’t think Garner wants one but other than that I’ve got very little worries. The way I see our situation pushing for promotion. Players Skill Ability is there. Training ground almost completed. Financial backing is there ( first time in my life time) Coach - premier league standard very experienced. As a manager still relatively inexperienced. Midfield general still needed to make top six. Almost there , I think we’ll finish top half. Also Coughlan gave his reasons as he needed to be with his wife and kids. If I was working hundreds of miles away from my wife and kids and she said that she needed me to be closer to home or i was getting a divorce or one of the kids were ill I’d move closer to home without a second thought. There may be more to it but he always came across as a very straightforward honest bloke. There may have been other family issues perhaps family health issues who knows ? Gasheads were understanding when Garner buggered off to deal with family issues even though he’d been here 5 minutes yet the man who saved us from CERTAIN relegation and then takes us to 3rd in a year gets dogs abuse for putting his family first. Just saying. It’s been a rollercoaster time supporting the Gas but I’d like to think that we’re Rovers supporters, we’re faithful and true. it's more likely Wael and GC didn't agree on the way we needed to play football, it now seems a clever move by Wael as not only did get rid of GC he also managed to find another club daft enough to pay us compo! |
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Post by socrates on Oct 16, 2020 19:32:25 GMT
Great OP & can’t disagree with any of it. I’ve had my doubts about Wael at times for sure, but the way he’s running our club now is fantastic IMO. It feels like Rovers are more joined up & forward thinking from top to bottom than I’ve ever known us to be. I think he would have run it like this from the start but he had to bide his time. It’s been very hard for Wael because he’s obviously a family man , he loves football and loves Rovers. Those things combined have made owning Rovers difficult in the first couple of years because we were very much owned by the family. Things have changed now, Wael has almost come of age I feel after his fathers death and he has more clout regarding what he wants to do and whether he can go out and do it. I remember well his very first interview he said “ my family think I’m crazy because I want to own a football club but I’ve talked them around and they are behind me” Very telling in hindsight. That was good of them but I think that although they did support him to some extent they also frustrated him because he didn’t feel like it was his , they held him back and that’s how I felt at the time. I neverbelieved he was a bullshitter or fake shiek as many did at the time it was obvious to me that he had what he’d always wanted but couldn’t really give it everything because he was being held back. I’ve got to say fair play to the bloke we normally lose a couple of million a year and with Covid you can add another 3 million to that so he’s clearly fell in love with our club and without him or anyone else willing to spend that we could easily be -12 points this season. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 16, 2020 19:36:52 GMT
Also Coughlan gave his reasons as he needed to be with his wife and kids. Yeah, everyone has a theory about why GC left, and that theory always seems to back up exactly what they think is wrong with the club. But, really, it's possible to take what he actually said about it at face value. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 16, 2020 19:37:03 GMT
I think that if DC knew what was on the horizon he wouldn’t have lost the plot the way he did. The way it turned out we’re ok, still in league 1 thanks to Coughlan and the future is looking pretty bright now that Garners got almost a year of management under his belt and brought his own players in. I still think we need a ballwinner experienced midfielder to make top six I hope I’m wrong because I don’t think Garner wants one but other than that I’ve got very little worries. The way I see our situation pushing for promotion. Players Skill Ability is there. Training ground almost completed. Financial backing is there ( first time in my life time) Coach - premier league standard very experienced. As a manager still relatively inexperienced. Midfield general still needed to make top six. Almost there , I think we’ll finish top half. Also Coughlan gave his reasons as he needed to be with his wife and kids. If I was working hundreds of miles away from my wife and kids and she said that she needed me to be closer to home or i was getting a divorce or one of the kids were ill I’d move closer to home without a second thought. There may be more to it but he always came across as a very straightforward honest bloke. There may have been other family issues perhaps family health issues who knows ? Gasheads were understanding when Garner buggered off to deal with family issues even though he’d been here 5 minutes yet the man who saved us from CERTAIN relegation and then takes us to 3rd in a year gets dogs abuse for putting his family first. Just saying. It’s been a rollercoaster time supporting the Gas but I’d like to think that we’re Rovers supporters, we’re faithful and true. it's more likely Wael and GC didn't agree on the way we needed to play football, it now seems a clever move by Wael as not only did get rid of GC he also managed to find another club daft enough to pay us compo! I think it’s more likely that Coughlan told the truth. Each to their own. Believe what you will. I know that if I’d just kept a league 1 club from certain relegation and then taken them to 3rd in the league and the owner told me he didn’t want me to be manager because we weren’t playing pretty football I wouldn’t make up a family situation to hide that fact. I’d tell the truth in no uncertain terms. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 16, 2020 19:41:51 GMT
Also Coughlan gave his reasons as he needed to be with his wife and kids. Yeah, everyone has a theory about why GC left, and that theory always seems to back up exactly what they think is wrong with the club. But, really, it's possible to take what he actually said about it at face value. Yeah totally . People generally keep their own personal business like wife and kids out of the limelight for obvious reasons. Does anyone really think that if having achieved what Cogs did with us that if Wael said he wasn’t happy and wanted him out Coughlan would cover Wael and blame it on family issues ? |
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Oct 16, 2020 19:49:27 GMT
I might be wrong but since the changes in the board I'm sensing the "handbrake is off" in BG's words in more ways than one
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Post by socrates on Oct 16, 2020 19:58:17 GMT
I might be wrong but since the changes in the board I'm sensing the "handbrake is off" in BG's words in more ways than one The handbrake is definitely off, and DC must be looking at what’s going on and wishing he’d just held back and waited a bit before loosing his rag. I don’t blame him mind, he could have possibly gone to Leeds, the fans here loved him , Wael sold him his dream which was genuine despite what around half of Gasheads would tell you until Wael cleared the debt after his fathers death. Things move on. Looking forward to tomorrow I follow is a poor mans football experience but it’s Rovers UTG |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 16, 2020 19:59:36 GMT
I might be wrong but since the changes in the board I'm sensing the "handbrake is off" in BG's words in more ways than one And since other certain members have left we seem to have much less nonsense being spouted on here. |
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 16, 2020 20:00:50 GMT
For years our recruitment has been a lottery, now we seem very professional and are working two windows in front, analysis is made of targets and I am really excited for the future.
Well done wael you have made some good decisions.
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Post by Westy on Oct 16, 2020 20:08:30 GMT
Great OP & can’t disagree with any of it. I’ve had my doubts about Wael at times for sure, but the way he’s running our club now is fantastic IMO. It feels like Rovers are more joined up & forward thinking from top to bottom than I’ve ever known us to be. It’s been very hard for Wael because he’s obviously a family man , he loves football and loves Rovers. Those things combined have made owning Rovers difficult in the first couple of years because we were very much owned by the family. Things have changed now, Wael has almost come of age I feel after his fathers death and he has more clout regarding what he wants to do and whether he can go out and do it. I remember well his very first interview he said “ my family think I’m crazy because I want to own a football club but I’ve talked them around and they are behind me” Very telling in hindsight. That was good of them but I think that although they did support him to some extent they also frustrated him because he didn’t feel like it was his , they held him back and that’s how I felt at the time. I neverbelieved he was a bullshitter or fake shiek as many did at the time it was obvious to me that he had what he’d always wanted but couldn’t really give it everything because he was being held back. I’ve got to say fair play to the bloke we normally lose a couple of million a year and with Covid you can add another 3 million to that so he’s clearly fell in love with our club and without him or anyone else willing to spend that we could easily be -12 points this season. "Evolution not revolution" comes to mind, looking back at where we are and have come from over the last few years! Looks like he meant what he said, and said what he meant! Wael we go, Wael we go, Wael we go! ⚽🏆 |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 16, 2020 20:19:54 GMT
Good post.
Wael is heading us in the right direction.
I mentioned on some threads a while back, that Wael is starting to get the infrastructure right, that even if BG doesn't succeed, the next manager coming in, and the one after that, and one after that etc, etc will have the tools to succeed and the philosophy of the club will not change even if the manager does.
The Swansea and Brentford blueprints, if you like.
I think the future is incredibly bright.
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Post by socrates on Oct 16, 2020 20:25:33 GMT
I might be wrong but since the changes in the board I'm sensing the "handbrake is off" in BG's words in more ways than one And since other certain members have left we seem to have much less nonsense being spouted on here. This place is a much better forum for it. I dont mind pessimist posters if they’ve got grounds for it. But bullshit woodenspooners we could all do without . |
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Post by bambergashead on Oct 16, 2020 20:59:36 GMT
"Evolution not revolution" comes to mind, looking back at where we are and have come from over the last few years! Looks like he meant what he said, and said what he meant! Wael we go, Wael we go, Wael we go! ⚽🏆 There's Garner be a revolution... |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2020 22:16:57 GMT
Yeah, everyone has a theory about why GC left, and that theory always seems to back up exactly what they think is wrong with the club. But, really, it's possible to take what he actually said about it at face value. Yeah totally . People generally keep their own personal business like wife and kids out of the limelight for obvious reasons. Does anyone really think that if having achieved what Cogs did with us that if Wael said he wasn’t happy and wanted him out Coughlan would cover Wael and blame it on family issues ? I suggest you go and listen to his post match interview after the Ipswich game again. If it was solely due to his wife & family then why did it matter if he thought he'd taken us as far as he could. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 16, 2020 22:30:13 GMT
My take on events is that Wael has now got us to where he wanted us to be a couple of years ago.
Training ground in progress, coaching staff in place and a development team adding quality players looking to challenge for first team football.
When DS first took over and Wael uttered the "evolution not revolution" phrase, my understanding of that was a plan to develop our own players, some of whom would be sold for good money which in turn would be partly reinvested. The production line of players from within would have ready-made replacements or spend a little on a few quality signings.
After a few seasons we'd be ready to seriously challenge for promotion and be much better placed to stay.
Shame the UWE fell through but that aside, I reckon we are almost back on schedule. If we can get a few more wins then confidence will only improve. This season is probably too soon but at the moment the signs are there and I'm looking forward to seeing where we are in a year's time.
Mind you, a bad result tomorrow and this thread will be on page 2 and out if sight by 5pm.
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