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Post by cheamgas on Oct 19, 2020 17:25:34 GMT
"Everyone has got to register a squad of 22 players this week with the EFL, and anyone over the age of 21 is registered within that squad," Garner told Bristol Live.
Seems to me that we have too many players. Who will need to be left out?
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Post by wider on Oct 19, 2020 17:29:40 GMT
Doesn’t this mean 21 and under don’t count? So we are ok?
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Post by cheamgas on Oct 19, 2020 17:40:24 GMT
Doesn’t this mean 21 and under don’t count? So we are ok? Even if you do not count under 21s I think that we still may have an issue. A lot of our youngsters eg Hargreves, Liddle, Kelly, Barrett etc are over 21. We also have three goalkeepers over 21. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 19, 2020 17:45:59 GMT
Doesn’t this mean 21 and under don’t count? So we are ok? Even if you do not count under 21s I think that we still may have an issue. A lot of our youngsters eg Hargreves, Liddle, Kelly, Barrett etc are over 21. We also have three goalkeepers over 21. We will probably name 2 keepers. Expect if one gets injured, they will make allowances to bring in one for cover. If the age goes on the start of the season, like with most football then Liddle will be ok. We only have 2 strikers that are over 21 which will help. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 19, 2020 17:52:55 GMT
Also 8 have to be homegrown player's. Not sure what the rules are on that. Do they have to be with the club for a certain amount of time to count??
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Post by axegas on Oct 19, 2020 18:02:15 GMT
All players over the age of 21 are:
JVS
Jaakkola
Little
Leahy
Grant
Ehmer
Kilgour
Davies
Kelly
Hare
Tutonda
Harries
Baldwin
Ogogo
Upson
Liddle
Westbrooke
Nicholson
Rodman
Barrett
Oztumer
Hanlan
Ayunga
We've got 23 players that are over 21, Ogogo I'm assuming will miss out to make it 22 players exactly, so there shouldn't be any problem.
Perhaps this was the complication in the Koiki deal as there would be no space to register him without someone else missing out?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 18:21:40 GMT
All players over the age of 21 are: JVS Jaakkola Little Leahy Grant Ehmer Kilgour Davies Kelly Hare Tutonda Harries Baldwin Ogogo Upson Liddle Westbrooke Nicholson Rodman Barrett Oztumer Hanlan Ayunga We've got 23 players that are over 21, Ogogo I'm assuming will miss out to make it 22 players exactly, so there shouldn't be any problem. Perhaps this was the complication in the Koiki deal as there would be no space to register him without someone else missing out? Must be at least half of those on that list who have hammered on here since the start of the season, therefore any could be left out! |
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Post by wider on Oct 19, 2020 18:31:22 GMT
Thanks for explaining that Axegas. 👍
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 19, 2020 18:36:20 GMT
All players over the age of 21 are: JVS Jaakkola Little Leahy Grant Ehmer Kilgour Davies Kelly Hare Tutonda Harries Baldwin Ogogo Upson Liddle Westbrooke Nicholson Rodman Barrett Oztumer Hanlan Ayunga We've got 23 players that are over 21, Ogogo I'm assuming will miss out to make it 22 players exactly, so there shouldn't be any problem. Perhaps this was the complication in the Koiki deal as there would be no space to register him without someone else missing out? That could well be the issue although if Davies isnt going to be fit for a while could he potentially be left out until January ? I dont know but would assume the list can be amended during Jan transfer window so someone not featuring between now & then could move on & free up a space ? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 19, 2020 18:36:27 GMT
All players over the age of 21 are: JVS Jaakkola Little Leahy Grant Ehmer Kilgour Davies Kelly Hare Tutonda Harries Baldwin Ogogo Upson Liddle Westbrooke Nicholson Rodman Barrett Oztumer Hanlan Ayunga We've got 23 players that are over 21, Ogogo I'm assuming will miss out to make it 22 players exactly, so there shouldn't be any problem. Perhaps this was the complication in the Koiki deal as there would be no space to register him without someone else missing out? Will Davies be named in the 22 when it seems he's nowhere near being fit? If he his then where the club hoping Leahy would find a new club, given that he didn't even make the bench on Saturday? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 19, 2020 18:40:12 GMT
Teams play a 7 game world cup with more players.
Seems like this will also encourage clubs to loan U21s from big clubs.
43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad
List based on the following provisions:
(b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs:
(i) in Season 2020/21, 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and
(ii) in Season 2021/22 and each subsequent Season, 20 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player.
43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches:
(b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs, any Under 21 Players.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 19, 2020 18:53:20 GMT
This seems a bit strict, do we even have 8 home grown players? (Ok, by home grown they just mean England and Wales. I thought they might mean a product of our system.) Teams play a 7 game world cup with more players. Seems like this will also encourage clubs to loan U21s from big clubs. 43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad List based on the following provisions: (b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs: (i) in Season 2020/21, 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and (ii) in Season 2021/22 and each subsequent Season, 20 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player. 43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches: (b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs, any Under 21 Players. Not sure home grown means coming through the youth ranks. A “Home Grown Player” is defined in the (Rule 33.8) as a player who: irrespective of their nationality or age, has been registered with either:their current club (who is a member of the EFL); and/ora club and/or any other football club affiliated with the Football Association (“FA“) or Football Association of Wales (for example, EPL or non-league clubs)for a period, continuous or non-continuous, of three seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which they turn 21). www.sports.legal/2017/04/part-one-home-grown-player-requirements-in-english-football-and-the-introduction-of-club-developed-players/ |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 19, 2020 18:54:40 GMT
This seems a bit strict, do we even have 8 home grown players? (Ok, by home grown they just mean England and Wales. I thought they might mean a product of our system.) Teams play a 7 game world cup with more players. Seems like this will also encourage clubs to loan U21s from big clubs. 43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad List based on the following provisions: (b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs: (i) in Season 2020/21, 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and (ii) in Season 2021/22 and each subsequent Season, 20 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player. 43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches: (b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs, any Under 21 Players. Not sure home grown means coming through the youth ranks. A “Home Grown Player” is defined in the (Rule 33.8) as a player who: irrespective of their nationality or age, has been registered with either:their current club (who is a member of the EFL); and/ora club and/or any other football club affiliated with the Football Association (“FA“) or Football Association of Wales (for example, EPL or non-league clubs)for a period, continuous or non-continuous, of three seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which they turn 21). www.sports.legal/2017/04/part-one-home-grown-player-requirements-in-english-football-and-the-introduction-of-club-developed-players/Yeah, I just deleted that bit. I thought they meant a youth product, at first. |
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Post by cheamgas on Oct 19, 2020 18:55:38 GMT
I think that Cam Hargreaves also needs to be added as he was born before 1 January 1999 which is the defined cut off date for under 21s. If Alexis is excluded does that mean that he cannot be sub for the if Jak is away on international duty?
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 19, 2020 19:05:56 GMT
All players over the age of 21 are: JVS Jaakkola Little Leahy Grant Ehmer Kilgour Davies Kelly Hare Tutonda Harries Baldwin Ogogo Upson Liddle Westbrooke Nicholson Rodman Barrett Oztumer Hanlan Ayunga We've got 23 players that are over 21, Ogogo I'm assuming will miss out to make it 22 players exactly, so there shouldn't be any problem. Perhaps this was the complication in the Koiki deal as there would be no space to register him without someone else missing out? Will Liddle and Grant count?? Liddle wasn't 22 until September and Grant only just turned 22. Do you know when the cut off is? For most youth age groups it's the start of September. If it's the same they won't count until next season. Next season we will have to cut the squad to 20, a lot of football to be played before then though. It's normally before the start of the season, or else it will keep changing if players have their birthdays. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 19, 2020 19:09:36 GMT
I think that Cam Hargreaves also needs to be added as he was born before 1 January 1999 which is the defined cut off date for under 21s. If Alexis is excluded does that mean that he cannot be sub for the if Jak is away on international duty? Where does it say that is the cut off date?? I couldn't find the date when I looked. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 19, 2020 19:16:20 GMT
I don’t see the point in this rule other than to encourage league clubs to loan Prem kids.
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 19, 2020 19:29:04 GMT
I think that Cam Hargreaves also needs to be added as he was born before 1 January 1999 which is the defined cut off date for under 21s. If Alexis is excluded does that mean that he cannot be sub for the if Jak is away on international duty? Where does it say that is the cut off date?? I couldn't find the date when I looked. Just found that part. So Hargreaves will count as well. Weird rule, it's normally at the start of the season, not half way through. |
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Post by reason on Oct 19, 2020 20:06:48 GMT
I don’t see the point in this rule other than to encourage league clubs to loan Prem kids. My understanding is that players on loan DO count towards the squad of 22 (unless they are under 21). So that list of exactly 22 by Axe, might need reducing a couple more to accommodate JML and McCormick. Also, I do not think we can get away with naming only two goal keepers, thinking we can bring in the other one (Andre) whenever Anssi is away on international duty! So, of that list, at least three have to be removed. I could be wrong of course - we'll see this week. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 20, 2020 0:42:25 GMT
I don’t see the point in this rule other than to encourage league clubs to loan Prem kids. My understanding is that players on loan DO count towards the squad of 22 (unless they are under 21). So that list of exactly 22 by Axe, might need reducing a couple more to accommodate JML and McCormick. Also, I do not think we can get away with naming only two goal keepers, thinking we can bring in the other one (Andre) whenever Anssi is away on international duty! So, of that list, at least three have to be removed. I could be wrong of course - we'll see this week. McCormick and JLM are both born after the cut off, so they will be ok. So just Hargreaves to add to the list. So 2 of the list will miss out. |
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