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Post by oldgas on Oct 28, 2020 9:12:44 GMT
Speaking as someone that works away from home for several weeks at a time, I find it surprising how many people don't even entertain the idea of imagining what that might be like for someone. GC said previously before he left that he found it difficult, the pressures of management coupled with being away from his wife and kids. I can sympathise with that. Some people can handle it, some can't. Some people have families back at home that can handle it, while others get grief from their family for not being there for them. Perhaps his situation at home became untenable? Did GC make mistakes in his post match comments after Ipswich? Yes and I wonder if he might look back on that with regret. Did he leave at an unfortunate time? Perhaps, but even then I'd actually argue that he left the club in a far higher position than when he arrived, so he hardly left us in the lurch, despite his football being dour. Essentially what I'm saying is there's a phrase of don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Those of you who mock him about being able to enjoy home cooking etc now that he's been sacked, I doubt have ever had to work in a high pressure job as well as having the pressures of not being there for your family for weeks on end. It does take it's toll on some people, and there's no shame in that. All very worthy and thought-provoking sentiments - until you consider that Coughlan had worked away from home for years and years without complaint. In fact, Southend and Plymouth are much further away from Sheffield so he was, actually, in the more favoured spot geographically when with us. He always said he was worried about never having a managers gig. He got ours, and I remember him saying on the radio how he fought to get the job and would fight tooth and nail to get it permanently. So he wasn’t worried about being away from home then, and the only reason he left was for more money, pure and simple. In the process he sh** all over us and lied through his Irish teeth. I don’t know about you, but I have heard of people moving their family to where they work. Shock horror. So no, I don’t feel an ounce of sympathy for him. He made his bed, he’s now got plenty of time to lie in it. As for compensation, I hope it was written into his contract that if he comprehensively failed he would be dismissed without compo Why on earth should anyone be able to completely f uck their employers business over then walk away with a huge severance payment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 9:14:25 GMT
Taking away all the over the top deep thinking on this, from a footballing entertainment point of view - watering myself!!!
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 28, 2020 9:20:53 GMT
Do people think he will be able to get another manager's job in the football league? After failing at cash-rich Mansfield in L2, it is surely unlikely, especially if he still limits himself geographically to 'near home'. How he must rue his decision to leave us...
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 28, 2020 9:23:25 GMT
Do people think he will be able to get another manager's job in the football league? After failing at cash-rich Mansfield in L2, it is surely unlikely, especially if he still limits himself geographically to 'near home'. How he must rue his decision to leave us... He still has a decent reputation as a fire fighter, he might get 3-4 month contracts to save teams.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 28, 2020 9:31:38 GMT
Do people think he will be able to get another manager's job in the football league? After failing at cash-rich Mansfield in L2, it is surely unlikely, especially if he still limits himself geographically to 'near home'. How he must rue his decision to leave us... He still has a decent reputation as a fire fighter, he might get 3-4 month contracts to save teams. Or get a job as an Assistant Manager then find himself as a caretaker manager again. He clearly had something to save us from relegation, perhaps it all went wrong at Mansfield as they didn't want a Warnock type firefighter. As far as posters saying we're in a far better position now BG's in charge, I'd say that's debatable the way we defended last night.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 28, 2020 9:35:49 GMT
Nowhere left 2 go. Can’t blame anyone but himself feel sorry for mrs coughlan stuck at home with him all day 😫 Utg
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Post by SleepyGas on Oct 28, 2020 9:35:52 GMT
Always seemed a strange move and a huge gamble to leave Rovers (while we were flying) to a smaller club in a lower league after only a year. When he took over from DC as a temporary measure I thought he did well steadying the ship.. he found a formation and a style that (whilst not easy on the eye) suited the players we had at that time.. and bringing in JCH and Anssi Jaakkola was a masterstroke (although possibly as much to do with Tommy Widdrington than GC perhaps?) I get the justification of moving to be closer to your family - it just seemed an odd time to do so. If he had stayed until the end of the season he might have had his pick of Northern clubs interested. His friends/family on Twitter seemed to suggest that there were other reasons as well though - they seemed pretty confident that he was going to be forced to sell JCH in the January transfer window and was not going to be given any money to replace him.
Anyway. He took his gamble and it doesn't look like it has paid off. We will never know what might have happened if he had stuck it out for the season with us - especially given the way the season ended and the PPV finish.. it's all history now though. The sad thing is- when I think of GC I do not feel the gratitude I should for the good work he did with us. I feel the anger and hurt of him bursting our bubble after that away day at Ipswich. It's not his fault but I also think I subconsciously blame him somewhat for our tumble down the table afterwards.
I wonder if he can still use that successful 1 year spell at Rovers to secure himself another manager role in the Football League? Or if he will go back to coaching for a while or drop down to Non-League? Will be interesting to see.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 28, 2020 9:37:55 GMT
Never really warmed to GC, but I can't find any joy in somebody losing their job in these difficult times. Whilst I agree with the sentiment I would wager there are plenty more worthy of that concern than someone working in football. Coughlan will walk into a defensive coach role in the not too distant future and get paid a decent wage for it. Wouldn’t you feel sorry for anyone losing their job in these current times? And people who do lose their jobs aren’t arranged in a league table of worthiness. That’s a very strange comment. UTG!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 28, 2020 9:44:27 GMT
Taking away all the over the top deep thinking on this, from a footballing entertainment point of view - watering myself!!! Yeah, it can be a simple game, sometimes.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 28, 2020 9:45:54 GMT
Karma for what exactly? For keeping us up? Yes. GC’s results with us actually kept us up two seasons running. We should all be grateful for that, however it ended. Yes he did and we should be very grateful. Footballs a strange industry, one where many people think with their hearts not their heads when reacting to something like this. including the fans, owners and others. Mansfield are a bit of a basket case, as many have said. Wael, seems almost opposite. Hope GC gets sorted soon, though I’m not sure he’s as good a defensive coach as some think. His four months as one with us under DC wasn’t the best and led to DC getting the sack. UTG!
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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 28, 2020 9:46:58 GMT
this thread just shows what a bunch of arseholes are on here. here is a man who saved us from Division 2, brought in some very good players and one of them makes over a million pound profit and he loses his job. Not withstanding you dont know the circumstances he left us under. Ask Starnes although he might wont tell you the truth
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 28, 2020 9:48:47 GMT
Do people think he will be able to get another manager's job in the football league? After failing at cash-rich Mansfield in L2, it is surely unlikely, especially if he still limits himself geographically to 'near home'. How he must rue his decision to leave us... He still has a decent reputation as a fire fighter, he might get 3-4 month contracts to save teams. I thought you meant literally! To be fair if I'm in a burning building I would be reasonably happy with GC coming to rescue. Him or Sean Dyche, they would definitely get you to safety. Not sure I fancy BG so much in this scenario... Yeah fair shout though, especially if it is someone that he has a connection with e.g. Plymouth.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 28, 2020 9:49:50 GMT
Can't see anything ironic in the man from the emerald Isle thinking the grass is greener.....?...in Mansfield?
GC was given a job most GasHeads can only dream of. And he messed it up. It's his choice..
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 28, 2020 9:51:26 GMT
this thread just shows what a bunch of arseholes are on here. here is a man who saved us from Division 2, brought in some very good players and one of them makes over a million pound profit and he loses his job. Not withstanding you dont know the circumstances he left us under. Ask Starnes although he might wont tell you the truth Do tell us then?
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 28, 2020 9:52:56 GMT
Speaking as someone that works away from home for several weeks at a time, I find it surprising how many people don't even entertain the idea of imagining what that might be like for someone. GC said previously before he left that he found it difficult, the pressures of management coupled with being away from his wife and kids. I can sympathise with that. Some people can handle it, some can't. Some people have families back at home that can handle it, while others get grief from their family for not being there for them. Perhaps his situation at home became untenable? Did GC make mistakes in his post match comments after Ipswich? Yes and I wonder if he might look back on that with regret. Did he leave at an unfortunate time? Perhaps, but even then I'd actually argue that he left the club in a far higher position than when he arrived, so he hardly left us in the lurch, despite his football being dour. Essentially what I'm saying is there's a phrase of don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Those of you who mock him about being able to enjoy home cooking etc now that he's been sacked, I doubt have ever had to work in a high pressure job as well as having the pressures of not being there for your family for weeks on end. It does take it's toll on some people, and there's no shame in that. Very good post Jomo. Puts it all into context and sums it up perfectly imo, of course. UTG!
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Post by Jomo on Oct 28, 2020 9:59:56 GMT
Speaking as someone that works away from home for several weeks at a time, I find it surprising how many people don't even entertain the idea of imagining what that might be like for someone. GC said previously before he left that he found it difficult, the pressures of management coupled with being away from his wife and kids. I can sympathise with that. Some people can handle it, some can't. Some people have families back at home that can handle it, while others get grief from their family for not being there for them. Perhaps his situation at home became untenable? Did GC make mistakes in his post match comments after Ipswich? Yes and I wonder if he might look back on that with regret. Did he leave at an unfortunate time? Perhaps, but even then I'd actually argue that he left the club in a far higher position than when he arrived, so he hardly left us in the lurch, despite his football being dour. Essentially what I'm saying is there's a phrase of don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Those of you who mock him about being able to enjoy home cooking etc now that he's been sacked, I doubt have ever had to work in a high pressure job as well as having the pressures of not being there for your family for weeks on end. It does take it's toll on some people, and there's no shame in that. All very worthy and thought-provoking sentiments - until you consider that Coughlan had worked away from home for years and years without complaint. In fact, Southend and Plymouth are much further away from Sheffield so he was, actually, in the more favoured spot geographically when with us. He always said he was worried about never having a managers gig. He got ours, and I remember him saying on the radio how he fought to get the job and would fight tooth and nail to get it permanently. So he wasn’t worried about being away from home then, and the only reason he left was for more money, pure and simple. In the process he sh** all over us and lied through his Irish teeth. I don’t know about you, but I have heard of people moving their family to where they work. Shock horror. So no, I don’t feel an ounce of sympathy for him. He made his bed, he’s now got plenty of time to lie in it. As for compensation, I hope it was written into his contract that if he comprehensively failed he would be dismissed without compo Why on earth should anyone be able to completely f uck their employers business over then walk away with a huge severance payment. You make it all sound so simple, and in reality it really isn't. I speak from experience that I have taken a job that I coveted, and found afterwards that the strain on my home life was just too much. I also speak from experience that I thought about going for a job away from Bristol, but moving my family would have been a non-starter. Some families are happy to move, some aren't. It's rarely a case of "others do it, simple". Then there's possible changes of circumstance. Maybe in his roles as a coach he was able to get home more often. Maybe he was able to talk to them more often as he had more free time. Maybe the added stress of being a manager tipped the balance. You simply don't know what goes on in someone else's life to just pass things off as "he took the money" as you have no idea of what money he'd have been offered by us and by Mansfield. Perhaps consider the bigger picture of someone else's personal life before getting so watered off about another person's choices.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 28, 2020 10:01:49 GMT
So many thoughts.
He’s a football manager, it’s a high risk job and it’s to be expected that you risk losing your job if performances don’t go to plan. Each season it’s guaranteed at least a handful of managers will lose their job in a league and they are paid and contracted to it accordingly. I won’t be losing any sleep on behalf of a manager losing his job. Besides, he will have garden leave for a significant amount of time which gives him a chance to find something else to do.
As for leaving us for personal reasons. Yeah he’s been on the road a long time but rising to manager from a defensive coach or assistant manager position is a massive step up in responsibility and demands so much more. I can believe that he wanted to be home after being our manager given that he had much less time than he did. Not forgetting the extra spotlight leading some dickheads to give his family abuse.
That said, I really don’t believe that it was all there was to it. His comments about not being able to sustain the Ipswich form and position painted a picture of other things going on behind the scenes and it really does sound like BG had already been lined up once GC moved on and the investment in the squad for GC put on hold. Comments about a lack of support chime with Widdringtons comments which appear to suggest a division behind the scenes.
I guess we’ll really never know what went on in those last two months.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 28, 2020 10:12:58 GMT
this thread just shows what a bunch of arseholes are on here. here is a man who saved us from Division 2, brought in some very good players and one of them makes over a million pound profit and he loses his job. Not withstanding you dont know the circumstances he left us under. Ask Starnes although he might wont tell you the truth So why don’t you tell us, seeing as you’re ITK and everything.
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Post by inee on Oct 28, 2020 10:19:40 GMT
Karma for what exactly? For keeping us up? No for walking away simple as
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 10:22:20 GMT
It's a nice bit of schadenfreude, but he still has a very good CV, so will pick up a decent job somewhere.
His stint with us was a perfect stop gap for both him & rovers. The fantasists still think we'd be cruising to the prem if he never left us!
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