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Post by kampucheagas on Nov 2, 2020 18:45:44 GMT
We're comparing education with a kick around. Bit of a difference. Nothing stopping kids have a kick around in their garden? That’s not exactly fair when we are expecting them to cram into tiny classrooms at 30 per room! My point is you either lock down or you don’t. Kids are going to suffer massively over this pandemic and people saying it’s pointless sport and they can just kick around in the garden seem to be musing the point! Missing even!
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Post by RD on Nov 2, 2020 18:46:03 GMT
We're comparing education with a kick around. Bit of a difference. Nothing stopping kids have a kick around in their garden? That’s not exactly fair when we are expecting them to cram into tiny classrooms at 30 per room! My point is you either lock down or you don’t. Kids are going to suffer massively over this pandemic and people saying it’s pointless sport and they can just kick around in the garden seem to be musing the point! Well, that's your opinion. Obviously world renowned scientists beg to differ, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 2, 2020 18:48:42 GMT
Ali Durden about to do a feature covering the grass roots game on points west....
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Post by kampucheagas on Nov 2, 2020 18:52:01 GMT
That’s not exactly fair when we are expecting them to cram into tiny classrooms at 30 per room! My point is you either lock down or you don’t. Kids are going to suffer massively over this pandemic and people saying it’s pointless sport and they can just kick around in the garden seem to be musing the point! Well, that's your opinion. Obviously world renowned scientists beg to differ, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks! Surely you can see where people are getting confused in kids being allowed to cram into classrooms but not allowed to play footie outside? My boy is 11. Sport has been cancelled at school, his team and training have now stopped, he can’t see his friends I would trust the science if consistent but it’s been haphazard and lacking focus.
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Post by RD on Nov 2, 2020 19:34:00 GMT
Well, that's your opinion. Obviously world renowned scientists beg to differ, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks! Surely you can see where people are getting confused in kids being allowed to cram into classrooms but not allowed to play footie outside? My boy is 11. Sport has been cancelled at school, his team and training have now stopped, he can’t see his friends I would trust the science if consistent but it’s been haphazard and lacking focus. No, not really if I'm honest. Schools have been kept open because education is a necessity - kicking an inflated piece of leather around is not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying there aren't benefits to football - of course there are many. But one is essential and one isn't - that's really all there is to it as far as I can tell.
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Post by kampucheagas on Nov 2, 2020 19:50:05 GMT
Thanks! Surely you can see where people are getting confused in kids being allowed to cram into classrooms but not allowed to play footie outside? My boy is 11. Sport has been cancelled at school, his team and training have now stopped, he can’t see his friends I would trust the science if consistent but it’s been haphazard and lacking focus. No, not really if I'm honest. Schools have been kept open because education is a necessity - kicking an inflated piece of leather around is not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying there aren't benefits to football - of course there are many. But one is essential and one isn't - that's really all there is to it as far as I can tell. But why stop the youth football if you concede it’s ok to cram them all together anyway? It’s not just the football, it’s the socialising, the mental health, the feeling of normality My lads team had excellent Covid secure procedures in place. It was certainly safer than the crowds of parents shuffling their kids into the tiny classrooms at the school I work at! Maybe I’m being over sensitive because I have a young kid and I really fear for his generation? I get your points but I just think we are muddling through this pandemic without a clear vision and due care for our youth! Only an opinion of course! UTG
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 2, 2020 19:58:46 GMT
No, not really if I'm honest. Schools have been kept open because education is a necessity - kicking an inflated piece of leather around is not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying there aren't benefits to football - of course there are many. But one is essential and one isn't - that's really all there is to it as far as I can tell. But why stop the youth football if you concede it’s ok to cram them all together anyway? It’s not just the football, it’s the socialising, the mental health, the feeling of normality My lads team had excellent Covid secure procedures in place. It was certainly safer than the crowds of parents shuffling their kids into the tiny classrooms at the school I work at! Maybe I’m being over sensitive because I have a young kid and I really fear for his generation? I get your points but I just think we are muddling through this pandemic without a clear vision and due care for our youth! Only an opinion of course! UTG My boy is 12 and I completely understand your perspective. It has also crossed my mind. My honest answer is that I really dont know enough to make a properly informed decision and therefore backing some random internet campaign would seem a bit daft given most things of these kind tend to get supported by people with even less idea than me! Its sh**, but I don't see any other alternative than to back the current Gov advice, even if I don't particularly like our current leaders or their dithering over this issue. I just hope they know what they are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 20:08:44 GMT
Not my sport I will admit...but don’t understand why golf has been given the heave-ho in this new world we are about to enter. Ok, accept the social side/19th hole probably needs to go for now but surely out on the course you couldn’t be more distanced? 🤔 Anything that gets you safely out in the fresh air and feeling a bit better about yourself is surely for the better? It is my sport of choice and the shutting of golf courses is a joke. After the first lockdown the course opened but the clubhouse and bar remained closed - that should have been the case now. I can meet up with a friend and walk the 18 holes as a form of exercise but not allowed to swing a club. Just mad - it’s hard to think of a safer sporting/leisure activity at the moment.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 2, 2020 20:11:13 GMT
But why stop the youth football if you concede it’s ok to cram them all together anyway? It’s not just the football, it’s the socialising, the mental health, the feeling of normality My lads team had excellent Covid secure procedures in place. It was certainly safer than the crowds of parents shuffling their kids into the tiny classrooms at the school I work at! Maybe I’m being over sensitive because I have a young kid and I really fear for his generation? I get your points but I just think we are muddling through this pandemic without a clear vision and due care for our youth! Only an opinion of course! UTG My boy is 12 and I completely understand your perspective. It has also crossed my mind. My honest answer is that I really dont know enough to make a properly informed decision and therefore backing some random internet campaign would seem a bit daft given most things of these kind tend to get supported by people with even less idea than me! Its sh**, but I don't see any other alternative than to back the current Gov advice, even if I don't particularly like our current leaders or their dithering over this issue. I just hope they know what they are doing. Yes, I feel sorry for children and others who appear to be missing out on normal stuff but despite reading a lot of stuff about CV I would still struggle to make sense of some of the decisions emerging from this government. Again without getting too political, it’s become an easy cop-out to say “we’re following the science.” I’ve no idea if they are or not but one of the things I’ve learnt since March is there’s seem to be more scientists in this country than Man U armchair football fans and they all seem to have different views. I hope the scientists the government are following are the correct ones, but like you Hugo, it’s more hope than expectation. UTG!
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 2, 2020 20:50:03 GMT
I am not a golfer so maybe i am stereotyping here but the reason golfbis singled out is because it is predominantly played by people who are middle aged or older. Due to the increased vulnerability of this group is why it was singled out.
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 2, 2020 21:01:13 GMT
Thanks! Surely you can see where people are getting confused in kids being allowed to cram into classrooms but not allowed to play footie outside? My boy is 11. Sport has been cancelled at school, his team and training have now stopped, he can’t see his friends I would trust the science if consistent but it’s been haphazard and lacking focus. No, not really if I'm honest. Schools have been kept open because education is a necessity - kicking an inflated piece of leather around is not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying there aren't benefits to football - of course there are many. But one is essential and one isn't - that's really all there is to it as far as I can tell. I think one of the main drivers for keeping schools open is so parents can go back to work and not have childcare problems. Regardless of necessity there is just as much chance, if not more, of my son catching covid at school as there is of him catching it at youth football. These youth football clubs and leagues are very well organised and strict measures are put in place. It’s a bit more than a kick about. Also remember some kids don’t have a back garden to have a kick around with a ball I guess you could say all exercise is unnecessary. At the end of day football is the last only thing that will get my son off playing play station. I guess we all have different perspectives.
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Post by garystash on Nov 2, 2020 21:08:16 GMT
I'm really gutted for my girls who both play football. It's as much about the social side as the physical for them and their teammates.
However, due to weather, grassroots basically doesn't happen between November and February anyway - so it's not going to be much different to normal.
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Post by bluegas on Nov 2, 2020 21:24:43 GMT
I thought medical science was of the opinion that kids don't catch it, or barely suffer from it if they do? Or has medical science changed its opinion? I thought the problem was kids passing it on to their parents and grandparents?
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Post by RD on Nov 2, 2020 21:34:32 GMT
No, not really if I'm honest. Schools have been kept open because education is a necessity - kicking an inflated piece of leather around is not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying there aren't benefits to football - of course there are many. But one is essential and one isn't - that's really all there is to it as far as I can tell. But why stop the youth football if you concede it’s ok to cram them all together anyway? It’s not just the football, it’s the socialising, the mental health, the feeling of normality My lads team had excellent Covid secure procedures in place. It was certainly safer than the crowds of parents shuffling their kids into the tiny classrooms at the school I work at! Maybe I’m being over sensitive because I have a young kid and I really fear for his generation? I get your points but I just think we are muddling through this pandemic without a clear vision and due care for our youth! Only an opinion of course! UTG Don't get me wrong I totally agree with you regarding the benefits too. And I have 2 young children also (the oldest is 4).so I definitely sympathise. I think my real feel is school get stopped, as I believe that would harm them the most. As such, I'm just really glad they've not closed them. So don't want to push it with the sport if that makes sense? If this was a longer lockdown I'd be inclined to agree, but (initially) it's just for four weeks, so I feel it's not too bad. But I totally understand the frustrations and I definitely share your fears.
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Post by RD on Nov 2, 2020 21:35:19 GMT
I thought medical science was of the opinion that kids don't catch it, or barely suffer from it if they do? Or has medical science changed its opinion? I thought the problem was kids passing it on to their parents and grandparents? Correct. Kids get it but in the main are less effected. The concern is that they spread the virus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 21:35:50 GMT
I am not a golfer so maybe i am stereotyping here but the reason golfbis singled out is because it is predominantly played by people who are middle aged or older. Due to the increased vulnerability of this group is why it was singled out. That may have been the case in the 70’s but visit any golf club now and it’s very different - a much wider spread of age groups. In any case even if someone is a bit older and more vulnerable it doesn’t mean the virus can jump across huge expanses of open countryside to get them! Nobody has banned the middle aged and older from shops and pubs. Golf is far safer than taking a walk on popular footpaths.
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Post by RD on Nov 2, 2020 21:36:46 GMT
No, not really if I'm honest. Schools have been kept open because education is a necessity - kicking an inflated piece of leather around is not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying there aren't benefits to football - of course there are many. But one is essential and one isn't - that's really all there is to it as far as I can tell. I think one of the main drivers for keeping schools open is so parents can go back to work and not have childcare problems. Regardless of necessity there is just as much chance, if not more, of my son catching covid at school as there is of him catching it at youth football. These youth football clubs and leagues are very well organised and strict measures are put in place. It’s a bit more than a kick about. Also remember some kids don’t have a back garden to have a kick around with a ball I guess you could say all exercise is unnecessary. At the end of day football is the last only thing that will get my son off playing play station. I guess we all have different perspectives. One is education one is a bit of fun. I'm not saying it doesn't teach kids values and other things and that it's not good for mental health etc. But come on - surely you're not saying football is as important as school?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 21:37:06 GMT
I thought medical science was of the opinion that kids don't catch it, or barely suffer from it if they do? Or has medical science changed its opinion? I thought the problem was kids passing it on to their parents and grandparents? Correct. Kids get it but in the main are less effected. The concern is that they spread the virus. Aren’t they also supposed to be lesser spreaders, at least until they get into their mid to late teens?
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 2, 2020 21:38:31 GMT
I am not a golfer so maybe i am stereotyping here but the reason golfbis singled out is because it is predominantly played by people who are middle aged or older. Due to the increased vulnerability of this group is why it was singled out. That may have been the case in the 70’s but visit any golf club now and it’s very different - a much wider spread of age groups. In any case even if someone is a bit older and more vulnerable it doesn’t mean the virus can jump across huge expanses of open countryside to get them! Nobody has banned the middle aged and older from shops and pubs. Golf is far safer than taking a walk on popular footpaths. I agree its daft but just trying to understand the thinking.
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Post by RD on Nov 2, 2020 21:38:57 GMT
Correct. Kids get it but in the main are less effected. The concern is that they spread the virus. Aren’t they also supposed to be lesser spreaders, at least until they get into their mid to late teens? Quite possibly. In all honesty I won't attempt to pretend I understand it all, but yes - I think it's the teenagers that seem to spread the most. But in all honesty I don't know that for sure
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