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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 18, 2020 13:49:34 GMT
Spittles is wrong IMO. It would be a terrible and underwhelming appointment. You have 2 free managers in Paul Cook and Daniel Stendel who have managed teams to promotion from L1, along with a manager who managed a relegation scrap in the championship to safety in Danny Cowley and the preferred option we are to be believed is a manager who has a best season of 8th in L1, has never managed a bigger club with expectation, has never had any ambition to manage a high level and has pinned some results on his fashion sense. If we are a serious club about moving forward and getting promoted, why are we looking at a manager who’s never been there or had any experience of getting there when there are 3 better free candidates available who have? It’s just the wrong appointment. It would have been the right one about 5 years ago but not now. I do agree with you, but what if (and this is likely) Paul Tisdale is the best manager that applies for the job? We carrying out targeted recruitment so we are approaching people
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Post by TAGas on Nov 18, 2020 13:54:20 GMT
I do agree with you, but what if (and this is likely) Paul Tisdale is the best manager that applies for the job? We carrying out targeted recruitment so we are approaching people That's interesting. I didn't realise that
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Post by Russgas on Nov 18, 2020 13:58:17 GMT
I do agree with you, but what if (and this is likely) Paul Tisdale is the best manager that applies for the job? We carrying out targeted recruitment so we are approaching people And that is the best way to do it. Draw up a shortlist of who you really want and try to sell the club to them.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 18, 2020 14:00:17 GMT
Spittles is wrong IMO. It would be a terrible and underwhelming appointment. You have 2 free managers in Paul Cook and Daniel Stendel who have managed teams to promotion from L1, along with a manager who managed a relegation scrap in the championship to safety in Danny Cowley and the preferred option we are to be believed is a manager who has a best season of 8th in L1, has never managed a bigger club with expectation, has never had any ambition to manage a high level and has pinned some results on his fashion sense. If we are a serious club about moving forward and getting promoted, why are we looking at a manager who’s never been there or had any experience of getting there when there are 3 better free candidates available who have? It’s just the wrong appointment. It would have been the right one about 5 years ago but not now. I don’t disagree, but what if the likes of Cook, Cowley & Stendel won’t drop to L1 for a job with a rigid buy young & sell on strategy, when they also aren’t able to bring their own backroom staff with them? The conditions we’ve set around the job will only appeal to a certain type of manager, IMO. Well Cook certainly does like a youthful mix and sell of players depends on the success of the team. Not every manager makes it conditional that certain staff come with them, certainly not at our level anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 14:02:16 GMT
I think we also have to remember that out of all these potential managers. Tisdale would be the cheapest Bingo. It seems to be an evolving process in terms of doing the least to get the best bang for buck. They tried Garner who would have been the cheapest possible way of getting sexy football if he had turned out to be any good. Now they are likely to appoint Tisdale who would be a bit pricier for an average record in this division. If Tisdale flops the penny might finally drop that if they really want to a) get results in this division b) play sexy football and c) sell youth for millions, then they are going to have to pay big money to get the best man for the job.
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 18, 2020 14:18:46 GMT
I don’t disagree, but what if the likes of Cook, Cowley & Stendel won’t drop to L1 for a job with a rigid buy young & sell on strategy, when they also aren’t able to bring their own backroom staff with them? The conditions we’ve set around the job will only appeal to a certain type of manager, IMO. Exactly, if we stick rigidly to all those constraints then it’s probably only out of work managers with dusty phones who will be interested. In fact I’d wonder what was wrong with any manager who was because it’s giving up so much autonomy. We’ll end up with an appointment from within at this rate.I thought the same after listening to the Starnes & Widdrington interviews yesterday. I think it’s great that the club has a strategy but it doesn’t mean that no one else has ideas that can achieve the goals we all want - successful, sustainable future for our club. personally I don’t think Tisdale is the best for the job or that he would want to work to these constraints, but to get better candidates we need to be more flexible.
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Post by TAGas on Nov 18, 2020 14:28:56 GMT
I think we also have to remember that out of all these potential managers. Tisdale would be the cheapest Bingo. It seems to be an evolving process in terms of doing the least to get the best bang for buck. They tried Garner who would have been the cheapest possible way of getting sexy football if he had turned out to be any good. Now they are likely to appoint Tisdale who would be a bit pricier for an average record in this division. If Tisdale flops the penny might finally drop that if they really want to a) get results in this division b) play sexy football and c) sell youth for millions, then they are going to have to pay big money to get the best man for the job. The only reasons Tisdale gets the job imo: A) hes the cheapest option B) He's the the best manager who's applied C) the only one who would agree to the boards non flexible terms
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Post by horfield on Nov 18, 2020 14:33:21 GMT
Like all things in life, you get what you pay for, he worked for a Supporters Trust at Exeter City where you had to ask and clear it with the board to order an extra pint of milk every week. He's the perfect fit, good enough to keep us up but not good enough to get us promoted.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 18, 2020 14:36:39 GMT
Like all things in life, you get what you pay for, he worked for a Supporters Trust at Exeter City where you had to ask and clear it with the board to order an extra pint of milk every week. He's the perfect fit, good enough to keep us up but not good enough to get us promoted. I'm sure you will be fully behind Wael just as you have always been.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 14:41:10 GMT
Can’t believe Wael will be criticised as some sort of cheapskate if he appoints Tisdale. The bloke has wiped our £20m debts, built a training ground and funded the building of a large new squad during a pandemic. The lack of gratitude is staggering. So easy to spend other people’s money!
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Post by phillistine on Nov 18, 2020 14:42:20 GMT
I think we also have to remember that out of all these potential managers. Tisdale would be the cheapest i am not sure how you know that but it seems to me that with all the investment that Wael is unlikely to penny - pinch over a new manager as this is potentially the most important appointment. As it happens I do remember that every-time we played Exeter when managed by Tisdale they gave us a good game despite the fact that they operated on a far lower budget.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 18, 2020 14:50:29 GMT
Can’t believe Wael will be criticised as some sort of cheapskate if he appoints Tisdale. The bloke has wiped our £20m debts, built a training ground and funded the building of a large new squad during a pandemic. The lack of gratitude is staggering. So easy to spend other people’s money! I’m not sure he’s even a cheap option. Cheap would have been bumping up Jack Mesure or someone else from the existing support staff.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 18, 2020 14:52:59 GMT
Just another point as a pro-Tisdale, one thing I particularly liked about his interview was his dislike of taking loan players, unless it's with a view to them signing permanently or if it's absolutely necessary. This fits with the club policy of developing our own players to become more sustainable. Certainly can't argue with his record of developing players at Exeter.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 18, 2020 14:55:06 GMT
Bingo. It seems to be an evolving process in terms of doing the least to get the best bang for buck. They tried Garner who would have been the cheapest possible way of getting sexy football if he had turned out to be any good. Now they are likely to appoint Tisdale who would be a bit pricier for an average record in this division. If Tisdale flops the penny might finally drop that if they really want to a) get results in this division b) play sexy football and c) sell youth for millions, then they are going to have to pay big money to get the best man for the job. The only reasons Tisdale gets the job imo: A) hes the cheapest option B) He's the the best manager who's applied C) the only one who would agree to the boards non flexible terms Certainly banging the "cheap option" drum aren't you! Personally I don't agree that it would be a cheap option. As someone else has said, the cheap option would be promoting from within. Which incidentally has been something we've done well out of over the years (Trolls, DC, GC).
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Post by Raj Gas on Nov 18, 2020 14:56:17 GMT
If he does get the job then its because he has met the majority of The Board's criteria.
They want someone local, experienced, able to coach and develop the young players (and raise money through sales!) with a decent style of play and will work with our current set-up?
Personally I think last time was a high risk strategy that failed and I think this time they need to be more certain as we have gone backwards since last year.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 18, 2020 14:56:52 GMT
There is no cheap option. A L1 manager will cost you around £100k per year regardless of who he is.
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Post by TAGas on Nov 18, 2020 14:57:04 GMT
I think we also have to remember that out of all these potential managers. Tisdale would be the cheapest i am not sure how you know that but it seems to me that with all the investment that Wael is unlikely to penny - pinch over a new manager as this is potentially the most important appointment. As it happens I do remember that every-time we played Exeter when managed by Tisdale they gave us a good game despite the fact that they operated on a far lower budget. I don't know that, I'm jus basing it on his previous experience and the other candidates that have been linked on the Bristol Post 😄
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Post by Raj Gas on Nov 18, 2020 15:02:31 GMT
There is no cheap option. A L1 manager will cost you around £100k per year regardless of who he is. and if you have to pay off another one and pay compo it gets very expensive!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 15:36:36 GMT
I think we also have to remember that out of all these potential managers. Tisdale would be the cheapest i am not sure how you know that but it seems to me that with all the investment that Wael is unlikely to penny - pinch over a new manager as this is potentially the most important appointment. As it happens I do remember that every-time we played Exeter when managed by Tisdale they gave us a good game despite the fact that they operated on a far lower budget. As I stated somewhere on here his record for Exeter against us is Won 5 Lost 5 Drawn 2.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 18, 2020 15:42:47 GMT
i am not sure how you know that but it seems to me that with all the investment that Wael is unlikely to penny - pinch over a new manager as this is potentially the most important appointment. As it happens I do remember that every-time we played Exeter when managed by Tisdale they gave us a good game despite the fact that they operated on a far lower budget. As I stated somewhere on here his record for Exeter against us is Won 5 Lost 5 Drawn 2. If you think of it, they're about the size of us in relation to a club like Portsmouth and our record against them over the last 12 (excluding Mickey Mouse cup) is Lost 7, Won 3, Drawn 2. So I think that's pretty respectable.
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