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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 16:17:45 GMT
So a club in league one in a ramshackle ground is expecting an experienced manager who has a reputation for positive attacking football to waltz in and be happy to work with our current head of recruitment AND his predecessors support staff AND his players? Pfffffft. We’re not Sunderland or Ipswich, that is a hell of an ask. Any manager worth his salt is going to need us convincing them not the other way around and having these requirements that the new man will have to fit into is going to limit the quality of applicants considerably one would think. I fear we will end up with another Garner who hasn’t made a name for themselves yet and is desperate for a job and will say anything to smooth talk the owners that they can fit into the parameters. I can’t see a Paul Cook character being happy with those constraints. i think Paul Cook is the most unrealistic one of the lot being touted. success everywhere he’s gone with bigger and better teams like Portsmouth and Wigan. Was very close to getting the City job who have far superior facilities, team ability, premier league aspirations than our own, so I’ll be thinking that’s more his level than 3rd division mid table mediocrity in a stadium that most league 2 teams would be ashamed of. If we’re going for a proven manager Willing to work within those constraints, then that screams either Flynn or Nigel Adkins to me, the latter I wouldn’t be happy with. I’m not sure it is that unrealistic. He’s spent most of his managerial career in the bottom two divisions hasn’t he and although Wigan and Portsmouth are bigger clubs (and were in the Premier League fairly recently) he only got their jobs as they’d dropped multiple divisions. How many years above League One has he had - was it just the one season with Wigan? He’s also out of work and probably a good chance he’s applied for championship jobs and been unsuccessful. Although we’ve got the worst ground in English football the owner has long term stadium plans, any manager would be impressed with the new training ground and with how the previous manager was backed with summer recruitment. Perhaps I’m just too optimistic? I hope not as the other names being touted don’t fill me with enthusiasm!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Nov 15, 2020 16:36:22 GMT
Lee Johnson not liked but obvious choice I said to to my mate earlier, if you look at the Sky Bet market for the job. If the BEP is correct which I believe they are right about the new man having to follow the clubs way of operating with regards to transfer recruitment model such as getting younger players in, develope them and them sell them on for a profit then Johnson is probably one of a few on that list who fits that criteria. TBH I don’t give a t**s if his voice is annoying or he managed the City!! If he was the best candidate in the boards eyes then I would support his appointment 100%. The fans who don’t want him will more than likely have other reasons too but deep down it will more than likely be because of his City connection and these fans were probably the same when we signed Steve Phillips and lets be honest even though Walker and Lambert are the main players fans remember from that season for getting us promoted there is no way we would have made the play-offs had it not been for Phillips in goal. Yes he did spend money at City which looks massive compared to what we and other teams spend in league 1 and I may very well be wrong but if you look at City’s spending is the the championship it was probably around halfway or below other teams in it yet bar his last season and even until he got sacked they still had a chance of getting in the play-offs the team always finished higher than the previous season and this was done by signing younger players. Like I said I will judge a player/manager on what I believe is thier good/bad points and not who they played for/managed in the past. If he was to get the job it would be because the board feel he is the best candidate and if its someone else it will be because they are the best candidate in the boards eyes and not because of their previous connections. Very well said. If he had done the same with another club of similar stature to City his name would be right up there with the other names mentioned. The problem is of course of things don’t go well. Once the fans are back the place would be toxic. BG was liked as a person and most people feel sorry for him that it didn’t work out. It’s a risk I would be prepared to take but I also believe he probably thinks he can get a position at a bigger club.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 15, 2020 16:38:47 GMT
I said it previously, the road Rovers are taking will surely be one where there won't be much upheaval. The ethos and philosophy wont change, even if Garner failed,the next manager coming in and the next one after that, and the next one etc, won't need to make wholesale changes. A model like Swansea's where they had Kenny Jacket, Roberto Martinez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers and Michael Laudrup etc who pretty much all had the same philosophy, which led to Swansea's success from the 3rd Division to the Premier League and staying their for a number of years. They still have the same philosophy now. Brentford as well, seem to have a similar philosophy. This is the sort of model Wael wants. That’s what I think, if I remember correctly Swansea styles that philosophy on Barcelona in a way.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 15, 2020 17:01:50 GMT
This isn’t a dig at the Post as to be honest Sam Frost has been spot on with regards to new signings but I would suspect that he would have got the stories from the same source who obviously knew when a player had agreed to sign for us prior to the end of his contract and subject to the medical and laid that news onto Sam who then managed to report it like a week before it actually was made official by the club. However when it comes to the manager position even though they are reporting there is no sucessor lined up and the club will await applications I do believe that the club will have a number one target in mind and the person who gets the job would have been sounded out prior to yeterday’s news. They obviously will look at applicants as there could very well be a person who applies and the board go “ooooh didn’t think he would be interested” but my hunch is they have the person they want in mind and its a case if they can get that person on board. Exactly this. I can’t see Garner. being fired without the club having a firm target in mind, one who’s been sounded out, most likely. Look at the shenanigans with Mansfield over Coughlan. If it’s an unattached manager then it will be so much easier. Just because the club have told the Evil the sacking happened without a replacement in mind doesn’t mean that’s the case. With respect to the criteria the club wants the new man to operate to, that’s just a standard wish list I would have thought. I can’t recall seeing a manager advert that said “xxxx fc is looking to recruit a first team manager. This person will be expected to tear up the previous agreed managerial objectives and we are looking for a dynamic individual who will carry out wholesale sackings of all support staff, replace young inexperience players with expensive journeymen from the lower leagues with the expectation that the team will play dull, unimaginative defensive football with the soim of avoiding defeat”
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 15, 2020 17:17:17 GMT
I said to to my mate earlier, if you look at the Sky Bet market for the job. If the BEP is correct which I believe they are right about the new man having to follow the clubs way of operating with regards to transfer recruitment model such as getting younger players in, develope them and them sell them on for a profit then Johnson is probably one of a few on that list who fits that criteria. TBH I don’t give a t**s if his voice is annoying or he managed the City!! If he was the best candidate in the boards eyes then I would support his appointment 100%. The fans who don’t want him will more than likely have other reasons too but deep down it will more than likely be because of his City connection and these fans were probably the same when we signed Steve Phillips and lets be honest even though Walker and Lambert are the main players fans remember from that season for getting us promoted there is no way we would have made the play-offs had it not been for Phillips in goal. Yes he did spend money at City which looks massive compared to what we and other teams spend in league 1 and I may very well be wrong but if you look at City’s spending is the the championship it was probably around halfway or below other teams in it yet bar his last season and even until he got sacked they still had a chance of getting in the play-offs the team always finished higher than the previous season and this was done by signing younger players. Like I said I will judge a player/manager on what I believe is thier good/bad points and not who they played for/managed in the past. If he was to get the job it would be because the board feel he is the best candidate and if its someone else it will be because they are the best candidate in the boards eyes and not because of their previous connections. Very well said. If he had done the same with another club of similar stature to City his name would be right up there with the other names mentioned. The problem is of course of things don’t go well. Once the fans are back the place would be toxic. BG was liked as a person and most people feel sorry for him that it didn’t work out. It’s a risk I would be prepared to take but I also believe he probably thinks he can get a position at a bigger club. His weird excuses are of course a risk and something to beat him with a stick but if he came in and got us performing by the time supporters are allowed back in it will be all forgotten much like with Steve Phillips and the other way round City were with a player who would otherwise be a Gas legend Matty Taylor.
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 15, 2020 17:27:37 GMT
Hope we don't faff about like that lot down the road, want Paul cook but Paul Hurst has always impressed me likewise Mickey mellon, but that would upset a few.
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 15, 2020 18:03:09 GMT
Very well said. If he had done the same with another club of similar stature to City his name would be right up there with the other names mentioned. The problem is of course of things don’t go well. Once the fans are back the place would be toxic. BG was liked as a person and most people feel sorry for him that it didn’t work out. It’s a risk I would be prepared to take but I also believe he probably thinks he can get a position at a bigger club. His weird excuses are of course a risk and something to beat him with a stick but if he came in and got us performing by the time supporters are allowed back in it will be all forgotten much like with Steve Phillips and the other way round City were with a player who would otherwise be a Gas legend Matty Taylor. John Ward went to City straight after leaving us as well. Got them promoted.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 15, 2020 18:15:03 GMT
Hope we don't faff about like that lot down the road, want Paul cook but Paul Hurst has always impressed me likewise Mickey mellon, but that would upset a few. Paul Hurst failed at Ipswich and then Scunthorpe as did MM at Tranmere, although he's now manager of Dundee Utd so unlikely to consider us anyway.
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Post by hardingegas on Nov 15, 2020 18:25:44 GMT
Didn't Paul Cook make his name with Chesterfield? Good footballing side who soon plummeted after he left for bigger things.
Don't think he'd be averse to joining us to maybe prove himself again?
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Post by oasisgas on Nov 15, 2020 18:32:51 GMT
Hope we don't faff about like that lot down the road, want Paul cook but Paul Hurst has always impressed me likewise Mickey mellon, but that would upset a few. Paul Hurst failed at Ipswich and then Scunthorpe as did MM at Tranmere, although he's now manager of Dundee Utd so unlikely to consider us anyway. Mellon granted was in charge of Tranmere when they got relegated, whether they would have got out of it as they had just put a run together before the season ended and they went down on the PPG rule is anyone’s guess but to do a DC and get them back to back promotions from the conference is no mean feat as we should know. The fact that he only just moved back to Scotland in the summer says its unlikely he would apply or we would be looking at him however.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 18:53:30 GMT
Very well said. If he had done the same with another club of similar stature to City his name would be right up there with the other names mentioned. The problem is of course of things don’t go well. Once the fans are back the place would be toxic. BG was liked as a person and most people feel sorry for him that it didn’t work out. It’s a risk I would be prepared to take but I also believe he probably thinks he can get a position at a bigger club. His weird excuses are of course a risk and something to beat him with a stick but if he came in and got us performing by the time supporters are allowed back in it will be all forgotten much like with Steve Phillips and the other way round City were with a player who would otherwise be a Gas legend Matty Taylor. He’s a hum drum manager though most famous for going on runs of wins then runs of defeats, iirc he never takes his teams anywhere as a result. If he had achieved something of note my opinion would be different. That’s why for me at least Cotterill tore this division apart and has that on his cv as well as being a shithead. Johnson has just got shithead.
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 15, 2020 19:00:50 GMT
Whoever is in charge could not posssibly do worse than Garner, so I'm not too concerned about who comes in. I'm just looking forward to going into games not expecting defeat week after week! UTG
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Post by socrates on Nov 15, 2020 23:11:34 GMT
His weird excuses are of course a risk and something to beat him with a stick but if he came in and got us performing by the time supporters are allowed back in it will be all forgotten much like with Steve Phillips and the other way round City were with a player who would otherwise be a Gas legend Matty Taylor. He’s a hum drum manager though most famous for going on runs of wins then runs of defeats, iirc he never takes his teams anywhere as a result. If he had achieved something of note my opinion would be different. That’s why for me at least Cotterill tore this division apart and has that on his cv as well as being a shithead. Johnson has just got shithead. Totally , I don’t get people talking about what he’s achieved , he’s never really achieved anything , never won a promotion , came close to relegation a couple of times and came close to making the play offs once maybe twice but that’s it. I’d rather we went for somebody who has experienced promotion and who isn’t a whinny little irritating shithead.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 15, 2020 23:20:17 GMT
Hope we don't faff about like that lot down the road, want Paul cook but Paul Hurst has always impressed me likewise Mickey mellon, but that would upset a few. Paul Hurst failed at Ipswich and then Scunthorpe as did MM at Tranmere, although he's now manager of Dundee Utd so unlikely to consider us anyway. Mickey Mellon failed at Tranmere? Are you sure? Two promotions, a record very similar to DC (almost identical), only MM didn’t take Tranmere out of the league!! Blimey if that’s failure... Btw I’m not suggesting him for our job but he wasn’t a failure at Tranmere, National League to League 1 and an unlucky relegation. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 23:27:36 GMT
He’s a hum drum manager though most famous for going on runs of wins then runs of defeats, iirc he never takes his teams anywhere as a result. If he had achieved something of note my opinion would be different. That’s why for me at least Cotterill tore this division apart and has that on his cv as well as being a shithead. Johnson has just got shithead. Totally , I don’t get people talking about what he’s achieved , he’s never really achieved anything , never won a promotion , came close to relegation a couple of times and came close to making the play offs once maybe twice but that’s it. I’d rather we went for somebody who has experienced promotion and who isn’t a whinny little irritating shithead. I’ve got a feeling he will apply, it’s a local club and he’s probably not likely to be getting many calls from championship clubs because there’s not a lot on his CV to appeal at that level. If he does if I was Wael I’d invite him in and bust his balls about the Welcome to Bristol nonsense before offering him a job coaching the youth. Not very professional though, I admit 😂
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Post by rusho'gas on Nov 16, 2020 8:21:51 GMT
Wael is a very intelligent man. He knows how this club works and more importantly the steadfast mentality of the fans that support it.
Does anyone in their right mind think he would entertain that midget, retarded shithead twat in the building in any form of management role ?
Likkle Lee would have more sense than to apply as * off you retarded shithead twat as a reply is likely to offend.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 16, 2020 8:43:51 GMT
His weird excuses are of course a risk and something to beat him with a stick but if he came in and got us performing by the time supporters are allowed back in it will be all forgotten much like with Steve Phillips and the other way round City were with a player who would otherwise be a Gas legend Matty Taylor. He’s a hum drum manager though most famous for going on runs of wins then runs of defeats, iirc he never takes his teams anywhere as a result. If he had achieved something of note my opinion would be different. That’s why for me at least Cotterill tore this division apart and has that on his cv as well as being a shithead. Johnson has just got shithead. That squeaky little twat led a charmed life as a manager. He got the Oldham job through sheer bullshit with his PowerPoint presentations etc and, before he could prove himself either way there Barnsley came in for him and he was off like a shot. He pulled no trees up there except getting through to the Mickey Mouse semis and, even after something like 7 defeats on the trot Uncle Steve took him to The Sh1t. The Barnsley fans were ecstatic because they all thought he was a knob and wasted no time in going on One Turd and telling the Sh1!heads all about him. He then had 4 years as a protected species because, despite spending many millions of the Red Faced lady gardens money all he really achieved was a Good win against United in the League cup and an act of outright c untishness over The Snake. He managed to survive bed sheet rebellions as Uncle red face refused to fire him until he finally ran out of luck, at least 2 years earlier than anyone else. Now his bubbles been burst he will achieve nothing more in the game because Championship and bigger L1 chairmen will look at his CV and ask themselves “What has this bullshitting little spit ever actually achieved”. Its a No from me.
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Post by socrates on Nov 16, 2020 9:42:07 GMT
He’s a hum drum manager though most famous for going on runs of wins then runs of defeats, iirc he never takes his teams anywhere as a result. If he had achieved something of note my opinion would be different. That’s why for me at least Cotterill tore this division apart and has that on his cv as well as being a shithead. Johnson has just got shithead. That squeaky little twat led a charmed life as a manager. He got the Oldham job through sheer bullshit with his PowerPoint presentations etc and, before he could prove himself either way there Barnsley came in for him and he was off like a shot. He pulled no trees up there except getting through to the Mickey Mouse semis and, even after something like 7 defeats on the trot Uncle Steve took him to The Sh1t. The Barnsley fans were ecstatic because they all thought he was a knob and wasted no time in going on One Turd and telling the Sh1!heads all about him. He then had 4 years as a protected species because, despite spending many millions of the Red Faced lady gardens money all he really achieved was a Good win against United in the League cup and an act of outright c untishness over The Snake. He managed to survive bed sheet rebellions as Uncle red face refused to fire him until he finally ran out of luck, at least 2 years earlier than anyone else. Now his bubbles been burst he will achieve nothing more in the game because Championship and bigger L1 chairmen will look at his CV and ask themselves “What has this bullshitting little spit ever actually achieved”. Its a No from me. Beautifully put 😄
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 16, 2020 10:32:49 GMT
Wael is a very intelligent man. He knows how this club works and more importantly the steadfast mentality of the fans that support it. Does anyone in their right mind think he would entertain that midget, retarded shithead twat in the building in any form of management role ? Likkle Lee would have more sense than to apply as * off you retarded shithead twat as a reply is likely to offend. Poet laureate 😂 announce cotterell 😂😂😂😂
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Post by althepirate on Nov 16, 2020 12:41:42 GMT
That squeaky little twat led a charmed life as a manager. He got the Oldham job through sheer bullshit with his PowerPoint presentations etc and, before he could prove himself either way there Barnsley came in for him and he was off like a shot. He pulled no trees up there except getting through to the Mickey Mouse semis and, even after something like 7 defeats on the trot Uncle Steve took him to The Sh1t. The Barnsley fans were ecstatic because they all thought he was a knob and wasted no time in going on One Turd and telling the Sh1!heads all about him. He then had 4 years as a protected species because, despite spending many millions of the Red Faced lady gardens money all he really achieved was a Good win against United in the League cup and an act of outright c untishness over The Snake. He managed to survive bed sheet rebellions as Uncle red face refused to fire him until he finally ran out of luck, at least 2 years earlier than anyone else. Now his bubbles been burst he will achieve nothing more in the game because Championship and bigger L1 chairmen will look at his CV and ask themselves “What has this bullshitting little spit ever actually achieved”. Its a No from me. Beautifully put 😄 Don't you just love Oldgas. Oldgas for Manager now!
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